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Does anybody know if the old episodes of Liquid Television exist anywhere on video? I'm not talkin' about the old episodes of Aeon Flux (I already have all of them). I'm talkin' about "Bobby and Billy", "Joe Normal", "Thomas and Nardo", "Winter Steele", "The Killing of an Egg", etc. I really miss watching them and I painfully regret not taping them back in the day. And that last season of Liquid tv (that they put out on video) absolutely sucked! Thanx to anyone that replies. -Krista
-- Krista (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 03, 2001
As far as I know, the only LTV clips that are still in print are on the "Best of" tapes that MTV puts out. There are only two, and don't consist of the originally-aired episodes, just clips from them. The first video is literally half Aeon. Unfortunately, there is only one brief clip of Winter Steele (which I'd like to get ahold of myself in full - I have a thing for puppets), and it's on the second tape.
Back in '97, MTV had some sort of animation weekend, and showed original episodes of LTV and Cartoon Sushi all day long. I recorded some, and I think I still have them...
-- Mat Rebholz (email@example.com), July 03, 2001.
I bought a Liquid Tv video from E-bay, and they still offer them for sale. They're not too much either, but I was not impressed with the ones I got at all. Aeon Flux was about half, and was the better half for sure. I wanted to see one called something about high school mutant artists or something, which was supposed to be great. Does anyone happen to know what I'm talking about?
-- Barb e (Suesuesbeo@cs.com), July 03, 2001.
More Liquid TV material may be available in the DVD that got released a couple of years ago. It's called "Wet Shorts". Look here for a picture of the cover: http://shopping.yahoo.com/shop? d=v&id=1800322370.
Barb, I believe the LTV segment you are thinking of is Art School Girls of Doom. Visit this URL to read a listing of every Liquid Television episode: http://www .textfiles.com/media/EPISODES/gd_liqtv.txt
VictorV - http://www.aeonflux.org/
-- VictorV (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 04, 2001.
Speedbump the Roadkill Posseum available anywhere?
"Put more meat on the grill!"
-- cinerity (email@example.com), July 05, 2001.
does anyone have any info on the LTV short that was about a futuristic race car driver that used telepethy to destroy the other cars? The animation was superb, in some ways surpassing even aeon flux.
-- scott (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 08, 2001.
That's the awesome segment "The Running Man" from Liquid Television. ChaosKnight has it in real video file. I think I have a copy on zip or CD, or somewhere. I don't remember where it is, but I made sure to get a copy from him.
-- Starscream (email@example.com), July 08, 2001.
Does anyone know who made it? studio/director? anything else by them?
-- scott (firstname.lastname@example.org), July 08, 2001.
The Running Man segment was by Yoshiaki Kawajiri, and I think that LTV showed an edited version of it. I don't know where to obtain a copy of either the edited or unedited versions.
-- James (email@example.com), December 27, 2001.
A few years ago I rented a compilation of japanese sci-fi animation called "Neo-Tokyo". It had Running Man on it, and I'm assuming it was unedited.
-- Mat Rebholz (firstname.lastname@example.org), December 27, 2001.
The one I've been looking all over for without finding is the computer animation.. the one of the spaceship flying around with the two stoned sounding guys abord as voice-overs. They spend most of the time arguing over whether or not this is Frank's Planet. The Fast Chrome Pig Warning from the episode also sticks out in my mind. It's the kind of thing that you would think someone would preserve on the net. Yet it doesn't seem to be. If anyone knows where this can be dug up, I'd appreciate an eMail...
-- S. Brown (email@example.com), December 12, 2002.
Dear Krista, I feel your pain absolutely. Ive been searching for this for months now to no avail. nowhere on kazaa or anywhere. im looking in the mirc chatrooms but thats no success either. if you find any old episodes of liquid television please let me know. email me or something. i used to have most of them on vhs from high school but there gone now. that really sucks. if i find them anywhere besides wet shorts. i would be glad to share with anyone over kazaa or something. peace out james sanders
-- James Sanders (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 09, 2003.
Acully James, i've got 2 liquid tv episodes(i had a third one, one of roadkill's, but i somehow managed to delete it).
One is called "flugbild", the other one is called "Earth to dorris". They're interesting to watch, although not humorous.
I also saw once a 60mb file called "liquid television-unknown episode LQD", but the sharer(on kazaa) decided to cancel me out before i had the chance to get it.
Im sharing my episodes on kazaa, they're not much, but its better then nothing. Finding more is hard though, "rare" isnt the right word, "impossible to find" is.
-- zach the new lurker (email@example.com), January 09, 2003.
NEO-TOKYO (aka Manie-Manie, Meikyu Monogatari) Containing the complete, uncut version of "Running Man" as seen on MTV's Liquid Television. LABYRINTH and THE ORDER TO STOP CONSTRUCTION are alos on the video. RUNNING MAN - is an exuberant cyberpunk thriller which owes equal inspiration to William Gibson and Raymond Chandler. Zach Hugh has been the champion of the Death Race for ton years. In the 21st century, race car drivers are psionically "plugged" into their vehicles. After so much adrenalin Zach's nerves are getting a little frayed. Running time: 15 minutes. Written and directed by Yoshiaki Kawajiri. Length: 50 minutes Genre: anthology Publisher: STREAMLINE/ORION
-- Jonathan S (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 16, 2003.
does anyone no were to get ahold of NEO-TOKYO? I'd love to see that version of "Running Man". Does Starscream or Chaosnight still have a copy of the LTV version?
-- scott (email@example.com), January 17, 2003.
I hate to bump this, but I've been wondering about this for a long time (I'm also the scott that asked this question in 2001 a few posts up) thatnks
-- scott (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 23, 2003.
hey all -
i just happened to be doing some research on "bobby and billy" to see what episodes are out there. i'm a quasi devo fan and mark mothersbaugh did the music or something for it.
i just came across my old liquid television stash. i've got about 5 hours, at best guess. dog boy, thomas and nardo, stick figures, bobby and billy, winter steele, joe normal, running man, bevis & butthead, egg guy, etc. a really cool flashback to watch again! currently in the process of digitizing (need a bigger hard drive!), and making dvds for myself.
i've got 5 bobby and billy episodes... anyone know how many there were total?
-- dave (email@example.com), January 30, 2003.
I've got no clue how many there were total, but I'd *love* to see Running Man again. That was my favorite bit after Aeon Flux.
-- skye (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 01, 2003.
Neo-Tokyo can be found in your local Blockbuster in the anime section.
-- Tricky (email@example.com), February 21, 2003.
My apologies for not finding this site earlier! But between 1999 and 2002 I dedicated most of my pc time to P-King with my D2Xpac Necromancer or backstabbing on StarCraft/BroodWars. My name, if you care to make the challenge, at Battle.net is Barrok & also Barr0k. I always knew Ltv was going to be awesome since I got my very first glimpse. I recorded the very first episodes on video cassette and I admit I too would have regretted not doing so. The sound quality is a little low, but I'm surprised that the over-all quality of the tape is still pretty good considering it is years old. I had no idea people would be posting about Ltv on the internet; I just recently dumped my hard drive and since MSwindows default is never satisfying for me, I was searching the web for sound wavs, preferable LiquidTV sounds. More specifically, from the short "Beach Chair". So to answer some of the posts here, 1) yes, I own approximately the first 9 or 10 episodes of Ltv preserved on vcr tape. I also own only 1 vcr and I live in Delaware so, bring your vcr & 1 blank tape and you may have a copy. All of your favorites from the earlier episodes ("Bobby & Billy", "Joe Normal", "The Adventures of Thomas & Nardo", "Killing of an Egg" and "The Running Man", also several episodes of "Winter Steele" and "Speedbump the Roadkill Possum") could be yours if I were to be persuaded to copy them. Yes, it is the "Art School Girls of Doom". And no, i don't know Starscream or Chaosnight and i don't know what they have. but I know what I have. Also, The Running Man Zack Hue, #37, God of Death, The Man Who Would Not Die; the credits: Executive Producer: Haruki Kadokowa, Director Yoshiaki Kawajiri, Music: Mickey Yoshino, English Adaptation: Carl Macek, Narration Raphael Ferrer. you're welcome
-- just Barry (Barrok@excite.com), March 26, 2003.
Why don't you just copy the episodes onto your computer and put it on Kazaa?
-- Chucky Paul (Segaspaz@yahoo.com), April 11, 2003.
Chuck, I am on Kazaa and I've downloaded tons of movies, mp3s & music videos from there. However, I have no idea how to put a movie, video clip or even a song onto my computer. If someone were to teach me this, I would be forever in your debt. I have much to offer the Kazaa community. The reversal of this process would be equally as valuable, as I have many StarCraft replays of me destroying my opponents worlds and eradicating all in my path, which I would love to preserve on a video cassette. Now that my lack of education and pc skills are out in the open, please help me? - Barrok
-- Barrok of Pok (Barrok@excite.com), April 12, 2003.
Actually, one has to purchase a video card that allows input from composite (RCA) cable. Some are billed as "capture cards" and some are your normal video cards plus the added input.
You can use the basic program that comes with such capture cards to save the data or you can download any number of programs such as Adobe Premiere.
If you want to share the files on Kazaa, I would suggest using a program like DivX to compress the files which will otherwise be rather dang large. you can always email me at the despammed email address for more details. Heck, I might even pay money for something like that. :)
-- Xavier (NOSPAMatdt1991@hotmail.com), April 23, 2003.
I'm not answering anyone's question, but I need help. A long time ago, when I was still in high school, I visited a college and got drunk watching a liquid television marathon. There was a clip on involving "Ricardo" (a young boy) and his trip to a restaurant on his birthday. He wanted strawberry sundaes (I think), but was told he had to order an entree. My memory is sketchy on the details, but I'm pretty sure his name was Ricardo. I think the year I saw it was 1995. I have been searching in vain for a copy of this short for 8 years now, as my friends and I still laugh about it and imitate the short to this day. Can anyone help me?
-- Chris (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 26, 2003.
I have decided to edit, organize, and archive my 3 Liquid Television VHS tapes of nearly all Liquid TV episodes onto DVD Video on DVD-Rs. I've captured it all to DV format, and I'll be having fun consolidating everything. In addition, I have a lot of MTV-based promotions, IDs, and other trippy stuff circa 1988-1995. If anyone wants to contribute material to the endeavor, let me know.
-- Holy Zoo (email@example.com), July 25, 2003.
was Randy of the Redwoods before 1988 or after?
-- Barry (Barrok@excite.com), August 17, 2003.
Howdy, since everyone's on the subject of the legendary Liquid Television, I figure I may as well throw in my piece of drivel! My favourite shorts, to name but a few, include: Flugbild, Bobby and Billy, Aeon Flux, Brad Dharma - Psychedelic Detective, Stick Figure Theatre, Autoguard 2000, Earth to Doris, Thomas and Nardo, etc.
My first memories of LTV are of being up very late one night, totally wasted and flicking through the channels, to be confronted with (if memory serves) shorts like Joe Normal, Bobby & Billy, Thomas and Nardo, etc. My brother and I were both awestruck and in hysterics at the same time!!
In my opinion, one of the only good things to ever come out of MTV. We definitely need more shows like this!
-- Leigh Hawkins (firstname.lastname@example.org), September 13, 2003.
Thanks for bringing this up, because I've been going nuts trying to remember the name of the LT cartoon that featured secret agents Steve and Zoya. I seem to remember it being mostly black and white with a lot of "zowie!" -type action, rather like that of the Powerpuff Girls. Does anyone remember this cartoon, the name or the creators? Thanks.
-- Sandy (email@example.com), September 15, 2003.
Well, this isn't any answer, but I recall something on MTV in my misspent youth, and I'm curious if anyone else recalls it or if it was just the chemicals making me see it ;-). I seem to recall some shorts (and I think they were in the Liquid Television stuff) about Mister Calimjan, the dog with the air conditioner body. That's most of what I recall (the opening theme song), but if you have any info, lemme know. - Sean
-- Sean (firstname.lastname@example.org), September 16, 2003.
The Digital Archive Project has many episodes that haven't been released on video. www.dapcentral.org
-- Nelson (email@example.com), October 15, 2003.
Answer to the LTV shorts that featured secret agents Steve and Zoya -- "The Specialists". "ayyy---yaehh!" Anyone remember "Dog Brain" shorts by International Rocketship Limited?
-- Matthew Miller (firstname.lastname@example.org), October 28, 2003.
while we are on the subject, does anyone remember a claymation short which aired on MTV as part of a marathon (CELebration??) about a boy named Ricardo, someone previously posted that they were looking for information as i am as well. he also talked about madonna (and her book sex) and the incredible hulk in another short. Please Ive been searching for years as well and am curious if anyone has any info on it.
-- john (email@example.com), December 09, 2003.
What was the episode where "Lugmar" gets back from a date and pulls a pair of panties from his teeth..then says "Ligmar,,you ol'slug...you still got that mmmmaaagggiiiicccc touch"????? I cant believe i still remember that line. and there is a slimy monster in the bathtub....
-- James A (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 08, 2004.
Good archives available on EMule.
What was the segment where the voice over said "Hey, what are you doing?" Maybe with an egg?
-- Charlie Spaniel (email@example.com), February 06, 2004.
The episode where Lugmar pulles a pair of painties from his mouth was entitled "the thing what lurked in the tub" it was first on spike and mike's festival of animation in 1990.
-- Adam Rinehart (Colocola@msn.com), February 17, 2004.
Does anyone remember an animated short from LTV that had something to do with "Agent X vs. Agent Y"? The animation was really crude. If you remember, do you remember the actual title and who the artist was?
-- George (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 18, 2004.
I am in Australia and for a short time they were playing LTV really late at night, I use to love the "quasars" (I think that is what they were called). they were really short computer generated clips. am I the only one who remembered and liked these?-Jody
-- Jody Kisbee (email@example.com), March 25, 2004.
Indeed, it was this very rule which Jesus's own parents (Joseph and Mary) had themselves broken. And this was the reason why the Jews were split in opinion as to whether Jesus was, in fact, their true Messiah. When a dynastic child was conceived at the wrong time of year, the mother was generally placed in monastic custody for the birth so as to avoid public embarrassment. This was called being 'put away privily' and Matthew states quite plainly that, when Mary's pregnancy was discovered, 'Joseph, her husband, being a just man and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily'.
In this instance, special dispensation for the birth was granted by the angelic priest Simeon who, at that time, held the distinction of 'Gabriel', being the archangel in charge. The Dead Sea Scrolls detail that the archangels (or chief ambassadors) were the senior priests at Qumrân who retained the traditional Old Testament titles of Michael, Gabriel, Raphael, Sariel, etc. In the case of Jesus and Mary Magdalene, however, the rules of wedlock had been obeyed to the letter, and their first child was properly conceived in December AD 32, to be born in September AD 33.
From the moment of a dynastic birth, the parents were physically separated - for six years if the child was a boy and for three years if the child was a girl. Their marriage would only be recommenced at the designated 'time of restitution'. Meanwhile, the mother and child would enter the equivalent of a convent and the father would enter the 'kingdom of heaven'. This kingdom was actually the Essene high monastery at Mird, by the Dead Sea, and the ceremony of entry was conducted by the angelic priests under the supervision of the appointed Leader of the Pilgrims. In the Old Testament book of Exodus, the Israelite pilgrims were led into the Holy Land by a cloud and, in accordance with this continued Exodus imagery, the priestly Leader of the Pilgrims was designated with the title 'Cloud'.
So, if we now read the Acts verses as they were intended to be understood, we see that Jesus was taken up by the Cloud (the Leader of the Pilgrims) to the kingdom of heaven (the high monastery), whereupon the man in white (an angelic priest) said that Jesus would return at the time of restitution (when his earthly marriage was restored).
If we now look at St Paul's Epistle to the Hebrews we discover that he explains the said Ascension event in some greater detail. Paul actually tells of how Jesus was admitted to the priesthood of heaven when he actually had no entitlement to such a sacred office. He explains that Jesus was born (through his father Joseph) into the Davidic line of Judah - a line which held the right of kingship but had no right to priesthood, for this was the sole prerogative of the line of Aaron and Levi. However, says Paul, a special dispensation was granted, and that 'for the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law'. As a result of this express change of the law, it is explained that Jesus was enabled to enter the kingdom of heaven in the priestly Order of Melchizedek.
In September AD 33, therefore, the first child of Jesus and Mary Magdalene was born, and Jesus duly entered the kingdom of heaven. There is no reference to this child being a son (as there is for the two subsequent births) and, given that Jesus returned three years later (in AD 36), we know that Mary must have had a daughter on this occasion.
By following the chronology of the Acts, we see that in September AD 37 a second child was born, followed by another in AD 44. The period from the first of these two births to the second restitution in AD 43 was six years, which denotes that the AD 37 child was a son. This fact is also conveyed by the use of cryptic wording - the same cryptic wording afforded to the AD 44 child - so we know that this third child was also a son.
In accordance with the scribal codes interpreted from the Dead Sea Scrolls, everything cryptic within the New Testament is set up beforehand by some other entry which explains that the inherent message is 'for those with ears to hear'. Once these codes and allegories are understood, they never ever vary. As Dr Thiering has pointed out, they mean the same thing every time they are used, and they are used every time that same meaning is required. For example, the Gospel of John explains that Jesus was called the 'Word of God': 'And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us'. John goes to great lengths to explain the relevance of this definition and subsequent entries give details such as 'the Word of God stood by the lake' and 'the Word of God was in Samaria'.
Messages conveying information about fertility and new life are established in the Parable of the Sower, whose seed 'bore fruit and increased'. Thus,when it is said that 'the Word of God increased', those 'with ears to hear' would recognise at once that Jesus increased - that is to say, he had a son. There are two such entries in the Acts, and they fall precisely on cue in AD 37 and AD 44.
Probably the most misrepresented book of the New Testament is the book of The Revelation of St John the Divine - misrepresented by the Church, that is, not by the book itself. This book is quite unlike any other in the Bible. It is dubbed with terrible supernatural overtones and its straightforward imagery has been savagely corrupted by the Church to present the text as some form of foreboding or prophecy of warning. But the book is not called The Prophecy or The Warning'; it is called The Revelation.
So, what does the book reveal? Chronologically, its story follows the Acts of the Apostles and the book of The Revelation is, in fact, the continuing story of Jesus, Mary Magdalene and their sons - particularly the elder son, Jesus Justus. It follows his life and details his marriage, along with the birth of his own son. This much misunderstood New Testament book is not a foreboding or a warning as the fearful Church would have us believe. It is precisely what it says it is: a revelation.
As we saw earlier, ordained priests of the era were called 'fishers'; their helpers were called 'fishermen' and baptismal candidates were called 'fishes'. Jesus became an ordained fisher when he entered the Kingdom of Heaven, but until that time (as explained by St Paul) he held no priestly office. In the rite of ordination, the officiating Levite priests of the Sanctuary would administer five loaves of bread and two fish to the candidates, but the law was very firm in that such candidates had to be circumcised Jews. Gentiles and uncircumcised Samaritans were on no account afforded any such privilege. Indeed, it was this particular custom which Jesus had flouted at the so-called Feeding of the Five-thousand, when he presumed entitlement to his own liberal ministry by offering the loaves and fish to an unsanctified gathering.
Apart from eventually becoming a fisher, Jesus was also referred to as the Christ - a Greek definition (from Khristos) which meant the King. In saying the name Jesus Christ, we are actually saying King Jesus, and his kingly heritage was of the Royal House of Judah (the House of David), as mentioned numerous times in the Gospels and in the Epistles of St Paul.
From AD 33, therefore, Jesus emerged with the dual status of a Priest Christ or, as is more commonly cited in Grail lore, a Fisher King. This definition, as we shall see, was to become the hereditary and dynastic office of Jesus's heirs, and the succeeding Fisher Kings were paramount in the continuing Bloodline of the Holy Grail.
Prior to the birth of her second son in AD 44, Mary Magdalene was exiled from Judaea following a political uprising in which she was implicated. Along with Philip, Lazarus and a few retainers, she travelled (by arrangement with King Herod-Agrippa II) to live at the Herodian estate near Lyon, in Gaul (which later became France).
From the earliest times, through the medieval era, to the great Renaissance, Mary's flight was portrayed in illuminated manuscripts and great artworks alike. Her life and work in France, especially in Provence and the Languedoc region, appeared not only in works of European history but also in the Roman Church liturgy - until her story was suppressed by the Vatican.
Mary Magdalene's exile is related in the book of The Revelation, which describes that she was pregnant at the time. It tells also of how the Roman authorities subsequently persecuted Mary, her son and his heirs: 'And she, being with child, cried and pained to be delivered. And behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and seven crowns stood before the woman for to devour her child. And she brought forth a man-child. And the woman fled into the wilderness. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war forever with the remnant of her seed - which have the testimony of Jesus Christ'.
It was to Gaul that Mary was said to have carried the Sangréal (the Blood Royal: the Holy Grail), and it was in Gaul that the famous line of Jesus and Mary's immediate descendant heirs, the Fisher Kings, flourished for 300 years. The eternal motto of the Fisher Kings was 'In Strength' - inspired by the name of their ancestor, Boaz (the great-grandfather of King David), whose name similarly meant 'In Strength'. When translated into Latin, this became In Fortis, which was subsequently corrupted to Anfortas, the name of the key Fisher King in Grail romance.
We can now return to the Grail's traditional symbolism as a chalice containing the blood of Jesus. We can also consider graphic designs dating back well beyond the Dark Ages to about 3500 BC and, in doing this, we discover that a chalice or a cup was the longest-standing symbol of the female. Its representation was that of the Sacred Vessel - the vas uterus: the womb.
And so, when fleeing into France, Mary Magdalene carried the Sangréal in the sacred chalice of her womb - just as the book of The Revelation explains. And the name of this second son was Joseph.
The equivalent traditional symbol of the male was a blade or a horn, usually represented by a sword or a unicorn. In the Old Testament's Song of Solomon and in the Psalms of David, the fertile unicorn is associated with the kingly line of Judah - and it was for this very reason that the Cathars of Provence used the mystical beast to symbolise the Grail bloodline.
Mary Magdalene died in Provence in AD 63 and, in that very year, Joseph of Arimathea built the famous chapel at Glastonbury in England as a memorial to the Messianic Queen. This was the first above-ground Christian chapel in the world, and in the following year Mary's son Jesus Justus dedicated it to his mother. Jesus the younger had previously been to England with Joseph of Arimathea at the age of twelve, in AD 49. It was this event which inspired William Blake's famous song Jerusalem: 'And did those feet in ancient time, walk upon England's mountains green'.
But who was Joseph of Arimathea - the man who assumed full control of affairs at the Crucifixion? And why was it that Jesus's mother, his wife and the rest of the family accepted Joseph's intervention without question?
As late as the year 900, the Byzantine Church (which had split from the Church of Rome) decided to announce that Joseph of Arimathea was the uncle of Jesus's mother Mary. And from that time, portrayals of Joseph have shown him as being rather elderly at the Crucifixion, when Mother Mary was herself in her fifties. Prior to the Church announcement, however, the historical records of Joseph depicted a much younger man. He was recorded to have died at the age of 80 on 27 July AD 82, and would therefore have been aged 32 at the time of the Crucifixion.
In fact, Joseph of Arimathea was none other than Jesus Christ's own brother James, and his title had nothing whatever to with a place- name. In fact (like Nazareth), the place later dubbed Arimathea never existed in those times. It therefore comes as no surprise that Joseph negotiated with Pilate to place Jesus in his own family tomb.
The hereditary 'Arimathea' title was an English corruption of the Graeco-Hebrew style ha-Rama-Theo, meaning 'of the Divine Highness', or 'Royal Highness' as we use the term today. Since Jesus was the senior Messianic heir (the Christ, or King), then his younger brother was the Crown Prince - the Divine (Royal) Highness, Rama-Theo. In the Nazarene hierarchy, the Crown Prince always held the patriarchal title of 'Joseph' - just as Jesus was a titular 'David' and his wife was a conventual 'Mary'.
In the early 5th century, Jesus and Mary's descendent Fisher Kings became united by marriage to the Sicambrian Franks, and from them emerged a whole new reigning dynasty. They were the noted Merovingian Kings who founded the French monarchy and introduced the well-known fleur-de-lys (the ancient gladiolus symbol of circumcision) as the royal emblem of France.
From the Merovingian succession, another strain of the family established a wholly independent Jewish kingdom in southern France: the kingdom of Septimania, which we now know as Languedoc. Also, the early princes of Toulouse, Aquitaine and Provence were all descended in the Messianic bloodline. Septimania was specifically granted to the Royal House of David in 768, and Prince Bernard of Septimania later married a daughter of Emperor Charlemagne.
Also from the Fisher Kings came another important parallel line of succession in Gaul. Whereas the Merovingian Kings continued the patrilinear heritage of Jesus, this other line perpetuated the matrilinear heritage of Mary Magdalene. They were the dynastic Queens of Avallon in Burgundy: the House del Acqs - meaning 'of the waters', a style granted to Mary Magdalene in the early days when she voyaged on the sea to Provence.
Those familiar with Arthurian and Grail lore will by now have recognised the ultimate significance of this Messianic family: the Fisher Kings, the Queens of Avallon and the House del Acqs (corrupted in Arthurian romance to du Lac).
The descendant heirs of Jesus posed an enormous threat to the Roman High Church because they were the dynastic leaders of the true Nazarene Church. In real terms, the Roman Church should never have existed at all, for it was no more than a strategically designed hybrid movement comprised of various pagan doctrines attached to a fundamentally Judaeo-Christian base.
Jesus was born in 7 BC and his birthday was on the equivalent of 1 March, with an official royal birthday on 15 September to comply with dynastic regulation and the month of Atonement. But, when establishing the Roman Church in the 4th century, Emperor Constantine ignored both of these dates and supplemented 25 December as the new Christ's Mass Day - to coincide with the pagan Sun Festival with which his Imperial subjects were familiar. Later, at the Synod of Whitby held in England in 664, the bishops also expropriated the Celtic festival of Easter (Eostre), the Goddess of Spring and Fertility, and attached a wholly new Christian significance by aligning it with the Resurrection of Jesus. In so doing, they actually changed the date of the old festival to sever its traditional association with the Jewish Passover.
Hence, today's two main Christian festivals (Christmas and Easter) are spurious Roman inventions and, historically, they have nothing whatever to do with Jesus. Christianity, as we know it, has evolved as a composite religion quite unlike any other. If Jesus was its living catalyst, then Christianity should rightly be based on the teachings of Jesus himself - the moral and social codes of a fair- minded, tolerant ministry, with the people as its benefactors. But orthodox Christianity ('churchianity') is not based on the teachings of Jesus: it centres upon the teachings of the bishops, which are entirely different.
There are a number of reasons for this, the foremost of which is that Jesus was deliberately sidestepped in favour of the alternative teachings of Peter and Paul: teachings which were thoroughly denounced by the Nazarene Church of Jesus and his brother James - teachings which the Nazarenes called 'the faith of fools'.
Only by removing Jesus from the front-line could the popes and cardinals reign supreme. When formally instituting Christianity as the State religion of Rome, Constantine declared that he alone was the true Saviour Messiah - not Jesus! As for the Bishops of Rome (the popes), they were granted a fabricated Apostolic descent from St Peter, since the legitimate Messianic descent from Jesus and his brothers was retained within the parallel Nazarene Church.
The only way for the Roman Church to restrain the heirs of Mary Magdalene was to discredit Mary herself and to deny her bridal relationship with Jesus. But what of Jesus's brother James? He too had heirs, as did their other brothers, Simon, Joses and Jude. For all its effort to forge a new scriptural history, the Church could not escape the Gospels, which state quite clearly that Jesus was the Blessed Mary's 'firstborn son', and so Mary's own motherhood also had to be repressed.
As a result, the bishops portrayed Mother Mary as a virgin and Mary Magdalene as a whore - neither of which description was mentioned in any original Gospel. Then, just to cement Mother Mary's position outside the natural domain, her own mother, Anna, was eventually said to have borne her daughter by way of immaculate conception!
Over the course of time, these contrived doctrines have had widespread effect. But in the early days it took rather more to cement the ideas because the original women of the Nazarene mission had a significant following in the Celtic Church. These included Mary Magdalene, Martha, Mary-Jacob Cleophas and Helena-Salome, each of whom had run schools and social missions throughout the Mediterranean world. These women had all been disciples of Jesus and close friends of his mother, accompanying her to the Crucifixion, as confirmed in the Gospels.
In the face of such records, the Church's only salvation was to denigrate women altogether; to deny them not only rights to ecclesiastical office, but to deny them rights to any status in society. Hence, the Church declared that women were all heretics and sorceresses!
In this, the bishops were aided by the words of Peter and Paul, and on the basis of their teachings the Roman Church was enabled to become wholly sexist. In his first Epistle to Timothy, Paul wrote: 'I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp any authority over the man, but to be in silence'. In the Gospel of Philip, Peter is quoted as saying that 'Women are not worthy of life'. The bishops even quoted the words of Genesis, wherein God apparently spoke to Eve about Adam, saying 'He shall rule over thee'.
The Church Father Tertullian summed up the whole Roman attitude when writing about the emergent disciples of Mary Magdalene: 'These heretical woman! How dare they! They are brazen enough to teach, to engage in argument, to baptise. It is not permitted for a woman to speak in church, nor to claim a share in any masculine function - least of all in priestly office'.
Then, to cap it all, came the Roman Church's most amazing document, The Apostolic Order. This was compiled as an imaginary conversation between the apostles after the Last Supper. Contrary to the Gospels, it supposed that Mary Magdalene had been present at the event, and it was agreed that the reason why Jesus had not passed any wine to Mary at the table was because he had seen her laughing! On the basis of this extraordinary, fictitious document, the bishops ruled that, even though Mary might have been a close companion of Jesus, women were not to be afforded any place within the Church because they were not serious! But why has this sexist attitude persisted within the Church to the present day? Because Mary Magdalene had to be discredited and removed from the reckoning so that her heirs could be ignored.
Notwithstanding the avid sexist movement, the Messianic heirs retained their social positions outside the Roman Church establishment. They progressed their own Nazarene and Celtic Church movements and founded Desposynic (Heirs of the Lord) kingdoms in Britain and Europe. They were a constant threat to the Roman High Church and to the figurehead monarchs and governments empowered by that Church. In fact, they were the very reason for the brutal Catholic Inquisition because they upheld a moral and social code which was contrary to High Church requirement.
This was especially apparent during the Age of Chivalry, which embraced a respect for womanhood, as exemplified by the Knights Templars whose constitutional oath supported a veneration of the Grail Mother, Queen Mary Magdalene.
Prior to the Middle Ages, the individual stories of the Grail family were historically well known, but when the Church began its reign of fanatical persecution, the whole Nazarene and Desposynic heritage was forced underground. But why did the vengeful persecutions begin at that particular time? Because the Knights Templars had not only returned from the Holy Land with documents that undermined the Church's teachings, they also established their own Cistercian churches in opposition to Rome. These were, however, not just any churches - they were the greatest religious monuments ever to grace the skylines of the western world: the Notre Dame cathedrals of France.
Despite their present-day image, these impressive Gothic cathedrals had nothing whatever to do with the established Christian Church. They were funded and built by the Knights Templars in collaboration with their Cistercian allies, and they were dedicated to Mary Magdalene - Notre Dame (Our Lady) - whom they called 'the Grail of the world'.
This, of course, defeated every dogma that the High Church had encouraged, and the bishops retaliated by re-dedicating numerous other churches to Mary, the mother of Jesus. But, in so doing, they made a strict decree that all artistic portrayals of Mother Mary (the Madonna) must henceforth show her dressed in 'blue and white only' - so as not to grant her any rights to ecclesiastical office in the male-only priesthood.
Mary Magdalene, on the other hand, was being portrayed by the world's greatest artists wearing the red mantle of cardinal status, the black robe of a Nazarite High Priestess, or the green cloak of fertility, and there was nothing the Church could do about it. The bishops' only option was to proclaim the practice sinful and heretical because, in having previously elected to ignore Mary Magdalene and her heirs, she was for all practical purposes outside their jurisdiction.
It was at that time that Grail lore was itself denounced as a heresy by the Vatican. The 6th-century prophesies of Merlin were expressly banned by the Ecumenical Council, and the original Nazarene Church of Jesus became an underground stream, aided by such notable sponsors as Leonardo da Vinci and Sandro Botticelli. In those days, the Church policed and controlled most literature in the public domain and so, in order to avoid outright censorship, the Grail tradition became allegorical and its message was communicated by way of secret watermarks, esoteric writings, Tarot cards and symbolic artwork.
But why should Grail lore and the prophesies of Merlin have posed such a problem for the Roman Church? Because, within the context of their adventurous texts, they told the descendant story of the Grail bloodline - a bloodline which had been ousted from its dynastic position by the Bishops of Rome who had elected to reign supreme by way of a contrived apostolic succession.
This succession was said to have been handed down from the first bishop, St Peter (indeed, this is still the promoted view), but one only has to consult the Church's own Apostolic Constitutions to discover that this is simply not true. Peter was never a Bishop of Rome - nor of anywhere else for that matter! The Vatican's Constitutions record that the first Bishop of Rome was Prince Linus of Britain (the son of Caractacus the Pendragon), who was installed by St Paul in AD 58, during Peter's own lifetime.
From the 1100s, the powerful Knights Templars and their cathedrals posed an enormous threat to the male-only Church by bringing the heritage of Jesus and Mary Magdalene to the fore in the public domain. The cardinals knew that their whole establishment would tumble if the Messianic descendants gained the upper hand. They had to be crushed - and so the brutal Inquisition was implemented: a hideous persecution of all who dissented from the rule of the bishops.
It all began in 1209, when Pope Innocent III sent 30,000 soldiers into the Languedoc region of southern France. This was the home of the Cathars (the Pure Ones), who were said to be the guardians of a great and sacred treasure -a mysterious secret which could overturn orthodox Christianity. The Pope's so-called Albigensian Crusade lasted for thirty-six years, during which time tens of thousands of innocent people were slaughtered - but the treasure was never found. In 1231, the main thrust of the Inquisition (or Holy Office as it was called) was instituted by Pope Gregory IX during the course of the Languedoc massacre, and it was set against anyone who supported the Grail heresy. By 1252 the torture of victims was formally authorised, along with execution by burning.
Heresy was a wonderful charge to level against captives, because only the Church could define it. The victims were tortured until they confessed and, having confessed, they were executed. If they did not confess, then the torture continued until they died anyway.
One recorded form of torture was to spread the victim with fat, and then to roast him alive (upwards from the feet) over an open fire. These savage persecutions and tortures were openly waged for more than 400 years, to be extended against Jews, Muslims and Protestant dissenters. But the Catholic Inquisition was never formally terminated. As recently as 1965 it was renamed the Sacred Congregation and its powers are theoretically still in force today.
Undaunted by the Inquisition, the Nazarene movement pursued its own course, and the story of the bloodline was perpetuated in literature such as the Grand Saint Grail and the High History of the Holy Grail. These writings were largely sponsored by the Grail courts of France (the courts of Champagne, Anjou and others) and also by the Knights Templars and the Desposyni. In the course of this, Arthurian romance became a popular vehicle for the Grail tradition. Consequently, the Templars became a specific target of the Inquisition in 1307, when the henchmen of Pope Clement V and King Philip IV of France were set in their direction. The papal armies scoured Europe for the Templar documents and treasure but, like the Cathar inheritance, nothing was found. Nevertheless, many Knights were tortured and executed in the process.
In all this, however, the Templar hoard was not lost and, while the Vatican emissaries were searching, the treasure and documents were locked away in the Chapter House Treasury vaults of Paris. They were under the protection of the Templar Grand Knights - those styled the Guardian Princes of the Royal Secret - who loaded the hoard one night onto 18 galleys of the Templar fleet at La Rochelle. By daybreak, the ships had set sail for various destinations - notably Portugal and Scotland. The latter were welcomed, upon their arrival, by King Robert the Bruce who, along with the whole Scottish nation, had been excommunicated by the Pope for challenging the Catholic King Edward of England. The Templars and their treasure remained in Scotland, and the Knights fought with Bruce at Bannockburn in 1314 to regain Scotland's independence from Plantagenet England.
Subsequent to the Battle of Bannockburn, Bruce and the Guardian Princes founded the new Order of the Elder Brothers of the Rosy Cross in 1317 - from which time the Kings of Scots became hereditary Grand Masters, with each successive Stewart King holding the honoured title of Prince Saint Germain.
But, why was it that King Arthur, a Celtic commander of the 6th century, was so important to the Knights Templars and the Grail courts of Europe? Quite simply, because Arthur had been unique, with a dual heritage in the Messianic line. King Arthur was by no means mythical, as many have supposed, but he has generally been looked for in the wrong places. Researchers, misguided by the fictional locations of the romances, have searched in vain through the chronicles of Brittany, Wales and the West of England. But the details of Arthur are to be found in the Scots' and Irish annals. He was indeed the High King of the Celtic Isle and was the sovereign commander of the British troops in the late 6th century.
Arthur was born in 559 and died in battle in 603. His mother was Ygerna del Acqs, the daughter of Queen Viviane of Avallon, in descent from Jesus and Mary Magdalene. His father was High King Aedān of Dalriada (the Western Highlands of Scotland, now called Argyll), and Aedān was the British Pendragon (Head Dragon or King of Kings) in descent from Jesus's brother James. It is for this reason that the stories of Arthur and Joseph of Arimathea are so closely entwined in the Grail romances. Indeed, the coronation records of Scotland's King Kenneth MacAlpin (a descendant of Aedān the Pendragon) specifically refer to his own descent from the dynastic Queens of Avallon. King Aedān's paternal legacy emerged through the most ancient House of Camu-lot (England's Royal Court of Colchester) in a line from the first appointed Pendragon, King Cymbeline, who is well-known to students of Shakespeare.
By the 6th century, Messianic descendants had founded Desposynic kingdoms in Wales and across the Strathclyde and Cambrian regions of Britain. Arthur's father, King Aedān of Scots, was the first British monarch to be installed by priestly ordination when he was anointed by Saint Columba of the Celtic Church in 574. This, of course, infuriated the Roman bishops because they claimed the sole right to appoint kings who, according to them, were supposed to be crowned by the Pope!
As a direct result of this coronation, Saint Augustine was eventually sent from Rome to dismantle the Celtic Church when St Columba died in 597. He proclaimed himself Archbishop of Canterbury three years later, but his overall mission failed and the Nazarene tradition persisted in Scotland, Ireland, Wales and across the breadth of northern England.
An important fact to remember is that the Grail dynasts were never territorial governors of lands. Like Jesus himself, they were designated guardians of the people. The Merovingians in Gaul, for example, were Kings of the Franks - never Kings of France. King Aedān, Robert the Bruce and their Stewart successors were Kings of the Scots - never Kings of Scotland. It was this implicitly social concept which the High Church found so difficult to overcome, for the bishops preferred to have dominion over territorial kings who were authorized by the Pope. Only by maintaining ultimate spiritual control over individuals could the Church reign supreme, and so whenever a Grail dynast came to the fore he was met by the wrath of the papal machine.
In 751 the bishops managed to depose the Merovingian succession in Gaul, and they established a new tradition whereby kings of the Carolingian succession (that of Charlemagne) had to be approved and crowned by the Pope. But the Church could never topple the Desposynic lines in Scotland, even though the old Celtic kingdoms of England had been dismantled by Germanic Anglo-Saxons from the 6th century.
Even into the Middle Ages - long after the Norman Conquest of England - the Nazarene Church and the long prevailing cult of Mary Magdalene were prominent in Europe. Women's rights of equality were upheld throughout the Celtic structure, and this was an enormous problem for the male-only priesthood of orthodox 'churchianity'.
The underlying principle of the Grail monarchs was always one of Service, in accordance with the Messianic code. Hence, they were kings and common fathers of their realms, but they were never rulers. This key aspect of the Grail Code was perpetuated at the very heart of nursery tale and folklore. Never did a valiant cardinal or bishop ride to the aid of an oppressed subject or a damsel in distress, for this has always been the social realm of Grail princes and their appointed knights.
The Grail Code recognises advancement by merit and acknowledges community structure, but above all it is entirely democratic. Whether apprehended in its physical or spiritual dimension, the Grail belongs to leaders and followers alike. It also belongs to the land and the environment, requiring that all should be as one in a mutually unified Service.
Throughout the ages, parliaments and governments have had as much trouble as the Church in confronting the Messianic social code, and the position is no different today. Presidents and prime ministers are elected by the people. They are supposed to represent the people - but do they? In actual fact, they do not. They are always affiliated to a political party and they achieve their positions by way of majority party vote. But not everybody takes the trouble to vote and sometimes there are more than two parties to vote for. Consequently, at any given time, more than half the people of a nation may not be represented by the political party in power. In this regard, even though a majority vote has been applied, the democratic principle fails. What emerges is not 'government BY the people FOR the people', but 'government OF the people'.
Jesus confronted a very similar situation in the 1st century. At that time, Jerusalem and Judaea were under Roman occupation, with King Herod and the Governor, Pontius Pilate, both appointed by Rome. But who represented the people? The people were not Romans; they were Holy Land Jews: Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes and the like. Apart from that, there were large numbers of Samaritans and Gentiles (non- Jews; the Arab races). Who represented them? The answer is 'no one' - until Jesus made it his mission to do so. This was the beginning of the Grail code of non-affiliated princely service: a code perpetuated by the Messianic dynasts in their continuing role as people's guardians. The Grail code is based on the principles of liberty, fraternity and equality, and it was particularly apparent in the American and French Revolutions, both of which discarded the lordship of despotic aristocracy. But what has replaced it? It has been replaced by party politics and largely non-representative government.
Many people have asked me why the hitherto suppressed information in Bloodline of the Holy Grail is coming to light at this particular time. The fact is that the information has never been suppressed by those whom it concerns. It has been suppressed by outside power- seekers who have sought to serve their own interests, rather than serve the communities they are supposed to represent. Today, however, we are in a new age of questing as many people grow more disillusioned with the establishment dogmas that prevail. We live in an age of satellite communications, sound-barrier travel, computers and the Internet - so the world is effectively much smaller than before. In such an environment, news travels very quickly and the truth is far more difficult to restrain.
Also, the very fabric of the male-dominated Church and governmental structures is being questioned, and it is generally perceived that the old doctrines of spiritual control and territorial management are not working. More and more people are searching for the original, uncluttered roots of their faith and for their purpose in society. They are seeking more effective forms of administration to combat the all too apparent slide into social and moral decline. They are, in fact, questing for the Holy Grail. This quest for new enlightenment is considerably heightened by the coming new millennium and there is a widespread feeling that this should also present a new Renaissance: an era of rebirth wherein the precepts of the Grail Code are acknowledged and practised - the precepts of liberty, fraternity and equality. Indeed, Grail lore spells out loud and clear that the wound of the Fisher King must first be healed if the wasteland is to return to fertility.
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-- Ashley Blue (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 27, 2004.