Well, so long to the Constitution and God be with us all

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The subject line says it all. We will be under emergency management and that's all she wrote. How terrible for these people's families and for the entire world.

If you don't know Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour, NOW is the time.

This will take time to implement, I think we have a month or so before we won't be able to travel freely without searches everywhere. Hopefully I am wrong, but that's my take.

-- D (animalwaitress@yahoo.com), September 11, 2001


May God have mercy on us all. They have evacuated the city county building in Indianapolis and have put lockdown on schools. Protect your children and your families.

-- m (mindyinthewindycity@hotmail.com), September 11, 2001.

Doreen, I'm sorry that you felt it necessary to use this tragedy as a launching point for soliciting your personal faith on everyone.

Some of us have NO need for "knowing" Jesus, either in a religious or a Freudian manner.


-- jumpoff joe (jumpoff@ecoweb.net), September 12, 2001.

Isn't it wonderful that we are still free to express our personal faith? How good it is to know that others have found the love of Christ, especially in these circumstances and to have the hope that only He can give.

-- Cindy (S.E.IN) (atilrthehony_1@yahoo.com), September 12, 2001.

Joe, I have no need of Jesus in a religious or Freudian manner, either. My relationship with Him is intensely personal and spiritual. I am sure it is the same for Doreen.

God bless you anyway, Joe, because someday He's gonna get you;)

-- Laura (LadybugWrangler@hotmail.com), September 12, 2001.

Not if I get HIM first...


-- jumpoff joe (jumpoff@ecoweb.net), September 12, 2001.

Ahhh, Joe. I really seriously want to know what it is that you are so offended by at the mention of Christ? Just the top three things would be a help. I also truly want to know what it is that you believe, or if you believe in anything outside of yourself? Not to fight with you, just to get an understanding of you....if you want to.

-- (bisquit@here.com), September 12, 2001.

Father, son and holy ghost, maybe?

Don't have enough space to get into all the actual reasons right now. Sorry, maybe next week.


-- jumpoff joe (jumpoff@ecoweb.net), September 13, 2001.

Joe, it Is the preferrable alternative to get HIM before He gets you! After all, it is a terrible thing to be in the hands of the Living God!

We all love you, Joe, and may you see His blessings in your life.

-- Laura (LadybugWrangler@hotmail.com), September 13, 2001.

JOJ, I am going to be very blunt. You are being a fool. This country has been living for years on the collective capital of generations of knowledge of God's Word, capital that is now running out. Because we were founded as "one nation, under God", we have been blessed with His protection to a large extent from the kinds of disasters we've seen so much in the news from other countries. But as a people we have turned away from God, to a point where people are bragging about it as you have done, and He is, very justifiably, removing His protection from us. The only remedy is to do just what Doreen said, repent and turn back to God. You may not choose to do so, it's a free country and you have the right to make that choice. But don't complain when we suffer more hurt in the future.

-- Kathleen Sanderson (stonycft@worldpath.net), September 13, 2001.

AMEN! Kathleen, AMEN.

By the way JOJ, this is Doreen's forum and she can spout her religion if she wants to, and if you don't like it, you can start you own forum and call it something like "Atheist Jerks"

-- Rags (RaggedReb@aol.com), September 15, 2001.

And back to Doreen's original comment, a state of emergency has already been declared. Now we will have to wait and see what happens next, but if anyone knows what powers this gives to whom, and what is likely or possible, I'd appreciate hearing about it. I hate surprises (don't we all, after Tuesday).

-- Kathleen Sanderson (stonycft@worldpath.net), September 15, 2001.

I put the references under the Nat'l Emergency thread.

-- (bisquit@here.com), September 15, 2001.

Gee, the religious rantings here sound very similar to statements I heard today MADE BY A CITIZEN OF AFGHANISTAN/THE TALIBAN! He also basically said that "allah" was protecting his country and had for a long time. He pointed out the invasion of Afghanistan by Russia, saying that "because of their invasion, allah had caused Russia to split up into smaller pieces" and that, if the United States invaded his country "allah will split it into 52 small pieces"; all this because of "allah's protection" of his country.

I guess that all religions are really teaching the same things, just under a different name. It also seems that there are fanatics from every religion.

-- Lisa (tepeeclan@nidlink.com), September 17, 2001.

And aint it wonderful, Lisa, that this free country of our guarantees the freedom for EVERY religion, no matter how ridiculous its claims, to have the right to express itself in PUBLIC? Thank GOD we still have our freedoms. The freedom which you exercise by expressing your disgust at our religion, is the very same freedom we exercise when we express verbally and in written form, that which we believe. You want respect for your beliefs? Then show some respect for everyone else's.

By the way, you do believe that all reality is relative, dont you? Who are you to say that your understanding of reality is more correct than ours?

-- daffodyllady (daffodyllady@yahoo.com), September 17, 2001.

Well...um.....Lisa, I find the man's comments interesting. I wonder why 52? I was impressed with the thought that perhaps we will need to break it down to individual States in order to keep control of things and see that statement as reflective of the thoughts I had.

As to the "fanatics" comment, it is terrifically interesting that the Muslim far right are mandated to kill all infidels and the Christian far right are mandated to die for their faith. It is indeed a jihad, and we are at war in a spiritual sense even more than a physical one.

It's not good at all what is happening and I had no intention to start another Holy War here. Obviously you all know my feelings on it, but what I expressed above was in heart felt concern, I have no interest in fighting about this right now. I'm praying for everyone right now, especially those who are involved in these terrorist groups.

-- (bisquit@here.com), September 17, 2001.

I stand by my original statement. Sorry it offends some of you. Go ahead and believe that "god is on our side". As Lisa said, anyone can make that claim, and most warlike nations seem to believe it. Many also believe in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, and the Easter Bunny. That doesn't mean they are real. They are all fairy tales.

Dream in Technicolor...


-- jumpoff joe (jumpoff@ecoweb.net), September 17, 2001.

daffodilady: I never "expressed disgust" for anyone's religion, Christian or Muslim. I was merely pointing out that a member of the Taliban (Muslim) also had the very same thing to say as y'all and we consider these people "fanatics". If one is willing to call these people fanatics, I think they should also look into their own beliefs, especially if they are espousing basically the same thing!

Again, I merely pointed out the similarities between what the others here were saying and what the muslims were saying. I never said (or implied) that I did not "respect" anyone's beliefs at all. But obviously I guess that being shown that the beliefs espoused here were really not different from the ones that the bad "Muslim fanatics" espoused, really exposed a nerve, as well it should. Should be at least something to think about.

-- Lisa (tepeeclan@nidlink.com), September 17, 2001.

Lisa, do a little more studying on the Islamic religion. I don't care what they claim in public, Islam and Christianity have nothing in common.

-- Kathleen Sanderson (stonycft@worldpath.net), September 18, 2001.

Of course there are alot of differences between ALL religions (but then again, there are MANY similarities between all as well). Again, I was merely pointing out that both the Christian person here and the Muslim/Taliban person there were basically saying the same thing, with the same fervor. Both claimed that their god protected, or could remove protection, from their country. I guess my overall point with this was that all Christians nor all Muslims are "fanatics". However, as I clearly pointed out with the above comparison of statements, there are "fanatics" from EVERY religion.

-- Lisa (tepeeclan@nidlink.com), September 20, 2001.

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