Honoring A Traitor??

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I received this e-mail recently, and thought with everything going on now we should remember who are friends and who are traitors.

This is for all the kids born in the 70's who don't remember this, and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to bear. Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century." Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam. The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot. The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton." Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJs, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and dragged away. During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of wooden baton. From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation "visit. They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper. She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day. I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals." When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda. I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient." Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped. I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She did not answer me. This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women." Lest we forget..."100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them. Please take the time to forward to as many people as you possibly can. It will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that we will never forget.

-- Bob in WI (bjwick@hotmail.com), September 18, 2001



-- lesley (martchas@bellsouth.net), September 18, 2001.

Bob, don't worry, God will never forget, either. And Jane will spend eternity with her regrets.

-- Kathleen Sanderson (stonycft@worldpath.net), September 18, 2001.

First I want to make clear that I am NOT (not, not, not!) defending Jane Fonda. She is, shall we say, not one of my favorite people, and I agree totally that she is a traitor to our country. That said, sometime back there was a big to do about Jane becoming a Christian, I think about the time she and dear Ted split. I have never heard anything on this since and have often wondered if that report was false, if she turned to religion temporarily due to her own personal pain at the time, or what. I remember thinking how great a testimony to the greatness of God it would be if Hanoi Jane had actually accepted Christ, but had my doubts about the validity of those reports. Considering I haven't heard anything more about her "Christianity" since then, I have even more doubt. Anyone know what the true story is? (Facts, not gossip.)

-- Lenette (kigervixen@webtv.net), September 18, 2001.

I recently heard the reason the Fonda's split was because of her becoming a Christian. He's a very devout atheist. She made a public apology some years ago on t.v. for her actions concerning Vietnam. She looked sincere. She's into helping the women, mostly in Africa but also in this country, who are victims or potential victims of female castration(mutilation). May God bless her in her efforts.

-- Cindy (S.E.IN) (atilrthehony_1@yahoo.com), September 18, 2001.

The world saw Christians like that during the Crusades. Thanks, but NO THANKS.

-- Duane fackler (ffackler@hotmail.com), September 18, 2001.

Those you hate rule your life, there's a lot to be said for forgiveness.

-- Cindy (S.E.IN) (atilrthehony_1@yahoo.com), September 18, 2001.

The point I was trying to make is that we always seem to honor those in this country who are without honor. Obviously what she did was wrong. I had a fatal impact on many, but that was not the point. I submit the last chief executive. He did exactly the same thing. He also appeared to all like he had done nothing wrong. Look at all the people who say how great he is. Same thing. You don't have to even try to see he had no honor whatsoever.

Fonda walks around as if nothing happened. She may have half- heartedly apologized for what she did, I really don't know or care.

Someone responded that she had become a Christian. I sincerely hope that is so. God is the judge, not us. Why can't we honor people who are truly honorable instead of politicians,movies stars and sports stars who act like they can do whatever they want with impunity. I don't have to mention any names we all can name many.

I know my post will not change much in this matter, but it is something I had to say. I hope you all have a good evening or day, depending on when you read this.

Talk to you later.

-- Bob in WI (bjwick@hotmail.com), September 18, 2001.

We certainly do idolize those of "stature". I think that we would be much better off to just give respect when it is earned. Normal common coutesy isn't true respect, it's just being polite and decent. Conferring more importance to someone's opinions without merit is silliness.

I'm not old enough to know much about Jane Fonda. I do hope she really has accepted Christ.

-- Doreen (bisquit@here.com), September 19, 2001.

I definitely agree about giving honor to movie starts etc. Why do we pay them such great amount of money to entertain us, and sports stars, for that matter. Why do we pay doctor, lawyers and politicians so much, when they're supposed to be working for us. They're people. www.charliedaniels.com click on Charlies soapbox. He has an editorial about Jane Fonda, I haven't read it for quite some time, but it was a good one, but most of his articles are.

-- Cindy (S.E.IN) (atilrthehony_1@yahoo.com), September 19, 2001.


Thanks for the Charlie Daniels link. It was good.

Something else I guess I would like to add to this discussion is our priorities as to who gets the honors in our society.

In India for example the scientists and engineers are the ones who receive the accolades, not the soccer team. This has to help the country in many ways. India is struggling with many problems,but making gods out of movies stars is not one of them.

I think if we gave just a little bit of credit to the unsung helpers of our society, like teachers for example,who do a good job and actually teach something useful, maybe we could encourage some change in this area also. Not that people should seek praise for everything they do,that is not good either, but a little pat on the back can encourage them to do what is important for us all. At this point in time we can all stand a little encouragement.

Talk to you later.

-- Bob in WI (bjwick@hotmail.com), September 19, 2001.

I agree and I also think we should honor the elderly. There's so much wisdom and information in these wonderful people.

-- Cindy (S.E.IN) (atilrthehony_1@yahoo.com), September 19, 2001.

I also heard that Jane Fonda has become a Christian and I pray that it be true.

The fact that people make sports figures and entertainers into heros has been a sore spot for me for a long time. My dad has been a firefighter since I was 5 years old, (I am now 43). I remember my parents struggeling to make ends meet sometimes while ball players and movie actors were making thousands and even millions.

In light of the terror that has been afflicted upon our nation, it is easy to see who the real heros are. The firefighters, police and rescue workers who ran into the WTC to save lives without regard for their own. Also the average citizen who has taken the time to go and help search through the rubble and devestation can be considered a hero in my book.

It is my prayer that people will pray and look to God in this time of trouble for only He can provide that level of comfort that is needed in such a time as this, and also that people continue to work side by side as Americans and not notice the differnces in color or race, etc.

-- Kathy (jubilant@ncweb.com), September 19, 2001.

Firstly, I never cared for Jane Fonda or her attitude during the Vietnam war. Secondly, I did not care to have her be listed as a great woman. That said..........has ANYone checked the validity of this particular story??? There was a Christian myth site but I lost my favorites list and no longer have it. I had thought I had heard every foul story or rumor of Vietnam vintage and read every book. This particular story I missed.

-- diane (gardiacaprines@yahoo.com), September 19, 2001.

diane, you can check out the Charlie Daniels site mentioned above or do a search on Jane Fonds, not everyone is fonda her, but check out the that really against her.

-- Cindy (S.E.IN) (atilrthehony_1@yahoo.com), September 19, 2001.

It's not just the wrong people that this society honors, it's also the wrong things. I had a lady come to the vegetable stand recently who complained how expensive these freshly picked vegetables were, then started talking to her friend about the movie they had just seen. I would wager that the movie cost as much if not more than the vegetables. Which one does she NEED? Which one will actually nourish her? Which one is a circular file for money? I suppose I'm preaching to the choir here, but that's one of my biggest pet peeves.

-- sheryl in Me (radams@sacoriver.net), September 19, 2001.

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