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Remember 1984? Wasn't the propaganda called "Newspeak?". It's been a good 35 years since I read the book, and I'm not sure.

Read this, and reread 1984, is my suggestion: ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Happy New Year It's 1984 - Bush's Orwellian Address By Jacob Levich 10-26-1

Seventeen years later than expected, 1984 has arrived. In his address to Congress Thursday, George Bush effectively declared permanent war -- war without temporal or geographic limits; war without clear goals; war against a vaguely defined and constantly shifting enemy. Today it's Al-Qaida; tomorrow it may be Afghanistan; next year, it could be Iraq or Cuba or Chechnya.   No one who was forced to read 1984 in high school could fail to hear a faint bell tinkling. In George Orwell's dreary classic, the totalitarian state of Oceania is perpetually at war with either Eurasia or Eastasia. Although the enemy changes periodically, the war is permanent; its true purpose is to control dissent and sustain dictatorship by nurturing popular fear and hatred.   The permanent war undergirds every aspect of Big Brother's authoritarian program, excusing censorship, propaganda, secret police, and privation. In other words, it's terribly convenient.   And conveniently terrible. Bush's alarming speech pointed to a shadowy enemy that lurks in more 60 countries, including the US. He announced a policy of using maximum force against any individuals or nations he designates as our enemies, without color of international law, due process, or democratic debate.   He explicitly warned that much of the war will be conducted in secret. He rejected negotiation as a tool of diplomacy. He announced starkly that any country that doesn't knuckle under to US demands will be regarded as an enemy. He heralded the creation of a powerful new cabinet-level police agency called the "Office of Homeland Security." Orwell couldn't have named it better.   By turns folksy ("Ya know what?") and chillingly bellicose ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists"), Bush stepped comfortably into the role of Big Brother, who needs to be loved as well as feared. Meanwhile, his administration acted swiftly to realize the governing principles of Oceania:   WAR IS PEACE. A reckless war that will likely bring about a deadly cycle of retaliation is being sold to us as the means to guarantee our safety. Meanwhile, we've been instructed to accept the permanent war as a fact of daily life. As the inevitable slaughter of innocents unfolds overseas, we are to "live our lives and hug our children."   FREEDOM IS SLAVERY. "Freedom itself is under attack," Bush said, and he's right. Americans are about to lose many of their most cherished liberties in a frenzy of paranoid legislation. The government proposes to tap our phones, read our email and seize our credit card records without court order. It seeks authority to detain and deport immigrants without cause or trial. It proposes to use foreign agents to spy on American citizens. To save freedom, the warmongers intend to destroy it.   IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH. America's "new war" against terrorism will be fought with unprecedented secrecy, including heavy press restrictions not seen for years, the Pentagon has advised. Meanwhile, the sorry history of American imperialism -- collaboration with terrorists, bloody proxy wars against civilians, forcible replacement of democratic governments with corrupt dictatorships -- is strictly off-limits to mainstream media. Lest it weaken our resolve, we are not to be allowed to understand the reasons underlying the horrifying crimes of September 11.   The defining speech of Bush's presidency points toward an Orwellian future of endless war, expedient lies, and ubiquitous social control. But unlike 1984's doomed protagonist, we've still got plenty of space to maneuver and plenty of ways to resist.   It's time to speak and to act. It falls on us now to take to the streets, bearing a clear message for the warmongers: We don't love Big Brother. ___   Jacob Levich ( is an writer, editor, and activist living in Queens, New York.

-- jumpoff joe (, October 27, 2001


Oh yes! The post anti-terrorism bill America as the "new normalcy." In other words, get used to not having your freedoms and privacy because they are not coming back.

Newspeak has been around for quite awhile. My all time favorite is that one that sounds so flag waving American, "pro-choice" but really means "murder your babies so they don't inconvenience anyone."

-- Laura (, October 27, 2001.

I am sorry, Joe, that wasn't very nice of me at all. I will be better in a few days, promise.

-- Laura (, October 29, 2001.

Thanks, Laura, I appreciate your apology. I don't take it personally, even though I am, to a certain extent, "pro choice". I've never had to have an abortion, fortunately. (If I would have needed one, I would have been very famous)


-- joj (jump@off.c), October 29, 2001.

Laura - Pro choice is not pro death. It is the right to decide. It is about being able to protect yourself. Birth control gave the power of reproduction to the woman, instead of the man. I guess you are too blind to see that. I did not think being religous meant you had to shed your intelligence. If it does, I wan't off this ride.

-- bill (, October 31, 2001.

Hey Bill, since I am 99.9% sure YOU have never been pregnant and pressured to make a "pro-choice" at a vulnerable time, I can only conclude your perceived knowledge is from hearsay and quite flawed and that YOU are totally ignorant!

-- Laura (, October 31, 2001.

Hey - If calling me ignorant helps you sleep at night then so be it. You cannot argue that it is "Pro-Choice" (Do not read "Pro-Death"). Call me crazy but the advertising agency probably had a good idea when they scraped the "Keep your laws off my body. I'm for killing babies" bumper sticker. Laura... You are correct. I have never had an abortion, or even come close to it, but I can offer my opinion. I've got one for you: I have never been to hell, but I can imagine that it is pretty bad. Laura - Tell me how heaven is... since you have visited it recently. Yeah - that's what I thought. You can have an opinion without being in the situation. Who's ignorant now?

-- bill (, October 31, 2001.

Bill, I've seen both and you are still incurably ignorant.

-- Laura (, October 31, 2001.

Laura - I am 100% certain you have never seen both. So, I will ask you the question again. What is heaven like? You preach on this board all the time, yet you can't speak from experience. This is just a question. I am not "calling you out", I just think your argument is faulty. It leaves you an easy target to be attacked. And you need to re-read the orginal post I made. I never called you ignorant, but I guess you thought I did, so you felt it was ok to sling mud. I am game for a good argument anyday of the week.

-- bill (, November 01, 2001.

Uh, Bill???? If Laura says she has seen both, I believe her. You may not understand, but there are these things called visions that happen sometimes, that have nothing to do with drugs, but with the Holy Spirit and they are usually pretty impacting.

And as far as abortion goes, I have the personal experience and I assure you, from the very depths of my soul, that "it" is NOT a CHOICE, but -indeed- a child. I met mine in one of those above referenced heaven BTW, so I have seen it, too. If there was one thing that God would allow me to go back and change in my entire life that decision to be despicably selfish and to murder my child, would be the *1* thing I would change. His forgiveness to me on that is beyond explanation. I hope you know that same grace. It IS amazing.

-- Doreen (, November 01, 2001.

I wanted to add that birth control is certainly not to be confused with abortion. They are two distictly different things.

-- Doreen (, November 01, 2001.

Bill from the very few posts you've made on this forum, it is clear that abortion/pro choice is your personal hobby horse, perhaps you are trying to validate your slimey relational practices. Is your idea of "taking care" of your girlfriend mean paying for her abortion after you get her pregnant?

Bill, birth control has ALWAYS been in the hands of educated women decades before abortion was legalized in this country, and even Planned Parenthood admits that it isn't about choice, but about power and money. There are at several methods of effective non-medical birth control that those clinics and counselors will never tell the young and dumb about because they want them pregnant and scared.

Now I could tell you about the glory of Heaven, the awesomeness of being in the light of the Glory of the Lord, of knowing if He were any closer you would be consumed in His love. Of standing at the River of Life and touching the fruits of the Tree of Life which can heal you in an instant. I could tell you how dark, treacherous and filthy our temporal world is. But I only have God's word backing me up. If you don't believe that sacrificing our children to moloch is an abomination to Him as He says it is, anything I say to you is casting His pearls to swine.

Doreen, I am sorry you had to go through such a painful experience. Praise God that he forgives and restores!

Jump Off Joe. See you are not the only gingerbread man around here. I'll bite the head off anyone!

-- Laura (, November 02, 2001.

Doreen, I sympathize with you for the pain you obviously suffered aborting your child. Now, for a less sympathetic question. If you really believe that abortion is "murder", have you considered voluntarily confessing to the crime of murder? Would you fight the charge if the government were to change the laws, and decide that an abottion is a murder?

Laura, "Gingerbread man?"


-- joj (jump@off.c), November 02, 2001.

Wow. Did this thread take an immediate turn or what?

Joe, thanks for your condolence and acknowledgement of my child. To answer your question, I was operating under the delusion that if something was legal, it was moral. I was young and had some faith in "authorities" and experts and that ilk. I thought "man's law" reflected morality and things that were societally acceptable...denying God's law the whole time. So under man's law I was doing nothing wrong, under God's law, there is no other term for it than murder. I also had lots of accomplices. Aside from the obvious participants, the rest of this nation is guilty of murder as well, unless they are under the blood of Jesus Christ and saved by grace (unmerited favor) they will be judged for these crimes as well.

I would happily turn myself in and they would happily send me off to a State sanctioned psychiatrist to convince me that I hadn't commited murder because they are operating under the idea that words with a Congressional stamp are really laws. If there were a miracle and this country outlawed murdering babies in utero and they wanted to charge (under man's law) all of those who participated, there would be very few adults left out of prison. And that's the way it will be when the Nations are judged.

This is not something that I am really cavalier about discussing. It is not the easiest thing to be typing these kinds of things that are intensely personal and brutal and sending them off into cyber space for anyone to read that has the inclination. I really didn't want to do this, but sometimes you have to do things that are unpleasant for you. The main point is that now, I am forgiven by God, which is much more important than any law on the books.

-- Doreen (, November 02, 2001.

Doreen.......((((((((((((((0)))))))))))))))))) from me to you

-- diane (, November 02, 2001.

Hey Doreen,

That was a brave testimony thanks for sharing. I know a young lady who was forced to have an abortion or get kicked out of her parents home, some choice huh?

-- Kathy (, November 02, 2001.

Joe, we know Doreen is a very gifted Christian woman. From this we know she confessed this sin to God, and now to us also, she was convicted by the Holy Spirit and our Lord, Jesus, accepted the punishment for this sin, also, and Doreen receives God's forgiveness and everlasting life.

Joe, are you ready to confess your sins? Are you ready for the conviction of your sins?

Gingerbread man......cute, sweet and you just want to bite his head off.

-- Laura (, November 02, 2001.

Damn, cult members are scary!!!!!

-- jz (, February 23, 2002.

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