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Would you like to learn about how strong Pit Bulls really are ? Would you like to know how dangerous they are and can be ? Here is plenty of information that I've gathered and taken the time to write.

PitBulls, except for last year, avg'ed the most human fatalities annually for many many years WORLDWIDE. PitBulls in most cases are highly aggressive towards ANY animal, no matter what kind, number, or size. PitBulls are one of the most dominant and powerful mammals out there. They have the most solidity and defined musculature of any dog breed, or animal for that matter. They ARE THE MOST GAME ANIMALS ON THE PLANET. Gameness as a quality means never backing down, fighting to the death even with missing limbs and eyes, and always wanting to quarrel with another animal. Determination goes hand-in-hand with GAMENESS, and I doubt that there is any animal with as much determination as an American Pit Bull Terrier. Pit Bulls are also impervious to pain, with a staggeringly high thresh-hold for it. They have the strongest bite-grip of ALL dog breeds, as well as ANY mammal in the animal kingdom. They have an up-front generated bite strength (capacity) of anywhere between 2,000 PSI - 2,600 PSI. I have heard reports of these numbers even hitting the 3,000's in provocation sustained tests using a PSI measuring sleeve. Even 2,000 PSI can crush a human skull, very easily. Pits have a propensity towards aggression, as they were originally bred to fight bulls and bears. Pits can be molded very easily, meaning you control how they act almost 100% of the time, that is if you are strong enough for this kind of dog. When Pits lock down their powerful jaws, think of a trash-compactor with teeth, to get the general idea. They can break bones like toothpicks, and bite deeply into the bone through the muscle. Most dog breeds can't even bite through or even deep into the muscle !! When a Pit has a good hold (lock), sometimes, they can stay suspended in mid-air for up to an hour or more. I have a red-nosed APBT that can hold onto a rope from a tree for around 40 minutes, kicking and shaking his head almost the hole time. The PSI measurement, assuming the back molars were ONLY doing the biting or gripping, is 280,000 lbs. of pressure per square inch, possibly even more. This almost 300% PSI increase is only because any mammal or animals back molars can crush or bite up to and over 120x the bite pressure that the front to mid teeth can produce in pressure strength. Pits are, by nature, the most experienced and most effective fighting dogs ever produced. Pits fight longer, more effectively, and better than any animal that I can name. Pits are highly athletic as well --- Verticling an 8ft. fence won't be a problem. If you've ever been ramsacked by an excited or even aggressive Pit Bull, then you are quite aware that even this medium sized dog can, without a doubt, bring even a Pro. Football LineBacker down to the ground......... assuming medium height, usually applying it's weight towards the lower torso or pelvis, and knocking you hard off your feet onto the ground. I own 2 red-nosed APBT's, I have plenty of experience with Pits. I also obtained my ACCURATE PSI measurements from Cornell University Professors and Berkely Professors during their time of research on carnivore jaw and tooth development, both professors have their Phd's. Pit Bulls are also excellent at weight-pulling, being able to pull 4,000 lb. sleds over 20 yds in competitions. American Pit Bulls are the strongest dog of ALL dog breeds, regardless of their 30-75 lb. size........ even though I've seen them get up to and over 130 lbs !....... check http://www.landofthegiants.com for any doubters. Are "PITS" dangerous, YES ! Mostly towards animals though, less towards humans. Do Pit Bulls make good house pets ? Almost always the case, NOPE. They should be kept outside in their respective kennels or dog houses. I have encountered my friend's pits before, 2 of which, wouldn't harm a fly and are flops, or currs........ meaning too loveable or scared to fight or show maximum aggression. Bottom line, Pits are very very very, have I stressed VERY enough ?? --- DANGEROUS ANIMALS !! If you do want a pit down the road............ raise it from a pup, socialize it with people and other animals the day that you get it, go with a female gender (gentler), and baby it as much as possible with love...... if it gets out of hand, punish it without abusing it. Let it know who's boss. My friend has a 2 month old AMSTAFF/RED-NOSE APBT cross that has humped my leg twice, and humps the other full grown dogs that he has in his house, at 2 months of age ! This shows you exactly how dominant the dog breed in general is, and if not corrected early on, will remain more dominant than even you, it's master. Take my advice, PIT BULLS ARE HIGHLY DANGEROUS ! I've seen, with my own eyes, just how dangerous they really are. Cops are even afraid of them, as I've heard plenty of reports where cops have shot them numerous times in the head and the pit keeps coming for the cop. In one case, an oficer shot a pit over 30 times, and it was still alive ! In another case, a cop shot a pit coming towards him countless times, before the pit jumped up, grabbed his throat and ripped it out in full ------ trachea included ! Do a search at Google on Top Secret Animal X files, or something of that label, to find this exact criteria from the reports from the under-ground media posted there. Please people, take my advice, don't have one unless you know that you can and will properly control it's behavior from early on, and in the future. They may not have lock-jaw, but unreal determination to not let go of a grip severely out-weighs it's lock-jaw rumor. Pits can be considered a highly lethal weapon, just like a gun. Most people think that this is absurd....... only, they forget that a gun is only lethal when it goes off.

-- Adam Smith (NetBanshee@Flashmail.com), January 24, 2002


I was wondering how many APBT's Mr. Smith has raised, shown and bred in order to make such a conclusion about these dogs. I mean if 83% of these dogs that participate in the temperament evaluation given by the American Temperament Testing Society pass it, could it be that maybe he's just a weak minded fool, spoon fed nothing more than the propoganda and disinformation served up nightly on the mainstream news? If he's such an expert on the breed, wouldn't he know that an Am Staff with a red nose is virtually non existent because it is considered the most serious of faults and has been bred out of the dogs? And where did he get his 280,000 pound bite info? Medical science has yet to be able to determine the biting power of ANY animal, much less single out the APBT. So if the worlds top researchers can't do it, I'd be willing to bet this ham and egger doesn't either, further strengthening my suspicions that he wouldn't know his back door from a hole in the ground. And as for a locking mechanism in the jaw, if you put a Dalmation skull next to an APBT skull, no one could tell the difference. What other lies, half truths and slanders of his shall I address next? There's so many, myself or anyone with an oxygen supply hooked up to their cortex can realize that if brains were gasoline, this guy couldn't get a piss ants motorcycle half way around a rain drop. Anyway, back to the lies, his theory that curs are to lovable to show maximum aggression. If the dog is dubbed a cur, that means he isn't willing to fight, at all or for a sustained period, it has nothing to do with being to lovable. The gamest of pit dogs are just as lovable, as the dogs who won't fight. As for pulling 4,000 pounds over 20 yards in competition, any weight pull enthusiast, regardless of the breed they pull with, will tell you competition tracks are usually 12 to 16 feet, and if you let your dog pull 4,000 20 yards, your an idiot who will burn out the dogs kidneys QUICK! As for the dogs making good house pets, I have not slept without one on my bed for a long time. Were talikng Bush Sr era. As for a 2 month old pup humping, my parents Dachshund did the same thing, and he'd paint your leg off white once he hit around 9 months old. I think I've painted a clear enough picture as to Mr. Smiths ignorance. Owners of the breed will no doubt agree, while people who are still undecided should at least realize that when a responsible member of society owns these dogs, as opposed to some dirtbag using the dog as an extension of his weiner, that they are no more a danger than any other animal.

-- James David Kucyk (Mr.Jim@Centurytel.net), January 25, 2002.

This article just put another statistic on my BREED of canine-which is PITBULLS.!!!!!!!!!!!!!I own 12 dogs and you own 2.In every way possible,you made made a prospect pitbull owner not want one or two.I am very serious DOGMAN and your message wasn't cheerful at all.I have a son that can go out and walk,feed and play with my so called DANGEROUS PITBULLS.You didn't say one single good thing PITBULLS can do besides how strong and dangerous they can be.I CAN SCHOOL YOU ON A FEW THINGS.READ RICHARD STRATTON'S BOOK THE WORLD OF TH PITBULL,AND E- MAIL ME WHEN YOU GET THE BOOK I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO ASK ME ANY QUESTION'S THAT MAY COME TO YOU.HELP OUR DYING BREED NOT HURT IT.I HAVE RAN INTO MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT EDUCATED ON THIS BREED.I AM NOT SAYING YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING BUT YOU ARE NOT HELPING GAME DOGS.!!!!!!PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT mystroe220@yahoo.com PLEASE!!!!!!!

-- dekevas core (mystroe220@yahoo.com), February 24, 2002.

OK, People yes pit bulls are strong and they DO have powerful jaws, but thats what they were breed for. No one questions dalmations for their spots, are bull dogs for being short.(HEH). I think its cool, how they are built up like muscle-men, thats why I give my dogs good excerise, I let do it, Because its in their blood. The same why bloodhounds like to hunt, Rottwielders like to protect and LABS like to swim, AND ONE MORE THING IF YOU TAKE TIME OUT OF YOUR DAY AND JUST, LETS SAY... BOND WITH YOUR DOG, INSTEAD OF JUST FEEDING THEM AND GOING TO WORK THEN YOUR DOG WILL FEEL AND BOND WITH YOU, EXAMPLE I LAY DOWN ON THE GROUND WITH MY PITBULL NIXON, EVERYDAY SINCE (ALMOST EVERYDAY, SINCE HE WAS A PUPPY i EVEN WRESTLE HIM A LITTLE BIT) NOW HE IS PROTECTIVE, HE NEVER GETS OUT OF LINE, AND WHEN HE DOES I KNOW ITS JUST BECAUSE HE WANTS TO GET MY ATTENTION SO I FALL DOWN A LET HIM 'ATTACK ME', AND HE ALWAYS WINS ( I GO IN THE HOUSE WRIST AND LIMBS SORE'. But if say I go home and he's sleeping, he will lift his head up off the ground and stare at me, then I sit down on the ground away from him and he will walk over to me a lay in my lap face down with one eye look into mines, then if I fail to rub behind his earing or just let him lay there he will do a little "sneeze" type gesture, (thats warning #1), then he will shake his body (warning #2) then he will get up and bite me (NOT IN THAT AHH MY DOG IS ATTACKING ME, I NEED HELP sorta way, but in that I knew my master for 5 years, and he loves me, but a need him to love me now kinda way) THAT IS A BOND, THE ONLY WAY TO RAISE A DOG!

-- T Middleton (Bagballa@yahoo.com), February 27, 2002.

This is the biggest HEAP OF PSEUDO INTELLECTUAL CRAP that I have ever read. Adam, you are truly a dumb bastard, not to mention that you are only serving to tarnish the already poor perception the general public has about the dogs. Here are some FACTS about APBTs:


Do APBT's really have 1600 psi biting pressure and locking jaws? [Information gleaned from the ADBA phamplet titled "Discover the American Pit Bull Terrier] No, they do not have either. Dr. I Lehr Brisbin of the University of Georgia states, "To the best of our knowledge, there are no published scientific studies that would allow any meaningful comparision to be made of the biting power of various breeds of dogs. There are, moreover, compelling technical reasons why such data describing biting power in terms of 'pounds per square inch' can never be collected in a meaningful way. All figures describing biting power in such terms can be traced to either unfounded rumor or, in some cases, to newspaper articles with no foundation in factual data." Futhermore, Dr. Brisbin states, "The few studies which have been conducted of the structure of the skulls, mandibles and teeth of pit bulls show that, in proportion to their size, their jaw structure and thus its inferred functional morphology, is no different than that of any breed of dog. There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of any kind of 'locking mechanism' unique to the structure of the jaw and/or teeth of the American Pit Bull Terrier."

My Uncle's Friend's Wife's step-brother said that APBT's are born mean and can't be trusted. Is this true? No, this couldn't be further from the truth. Most people who think or say that "Pit Bulls" are inherently mean, have most likely never met one and rely on the inaccurate media hyped portryal of "Pit Bulls" as the basis of their opinions. Like any other breed of dog, the key areas of focus for ensuring a happy, well adjusted American Pit Bull Terrier as a pet are: owner education, proper breeding, socialization, and training. A break down in any one or more of these areas could lead to problems down the road. The APBT is, contrary to popular belief, very human-friendly and will not naturally be aggressive towards humans. The APBT is, however, very loyal and eagar to please, so that if an owner wants a dog to be aggressive toward humans and reinforces this behaviour from an early age, the dog will most likely be aggressive towards humans as an adult.

Many people equate or confuse aggressivness towards other dogs with aggressivness towards humans. I have seen newspaper reports in which "concerned neighbors" are quoted saying things like, "This time it killed a stray cat; tomorrow it may be my children." Yet animal- aggressiveness is an entirely different thing from human- aggressiveness. There is no reason to infer from its killing a cat that a dog--any dog, not just an APBT--will ever show aggression toward human beings. Dogs can and do discriminate, even if irate neighbors cannot.

One of the most enduring urban legends involving dogs is the one about Doberman Pinscher's supposed tendency to suddenly "turn on" their loving owners. This violent change in behavior is said to be precipitated by a natural swelling of the dog's brain at a certain age (the exact age differs according to the retelling). Of course this legend has no basis at all in fact. The "pit bull" has replaced the Doberman Pinscher as the stereotypical "vicious breed," but the same human ignorance and credulity is behind the persistence of such legends." All in quotations above taken directly from :


Backyard Breeders and irresponsible owners are to blame for the perception that the public has of this magnificent breed. I'm not sure what your intentions were with your post, but you're a moron and I certainly hope that NO ONE takes your word about Pit Bulls. Maybe your two are dangerous and must be kept in an outdoor kennel, but that is due to YOUR shortcomings as an owner. Get educated.

Amiela Brooks PITSMART Atlanta, GA http://www.pbrc.net/doglist/pitsmartp1544.html

-- Amiela Brooks (pitgrrrl@planet-save.com), March 01, 2002.

Get a grip guy, I have owned pitbulls for 20 years and never had any of the problems you have mentioned. My children were raised with this breed without one single bite, growl or aggressive gesture from our pitties. These dogs are just like any other breed and become what they are raised to be. Yes they are strong but with proper training can be handled by anyone. I myself am handicapped (on a cane with a knee brace) and I can take my year old 60 lb. male anywhere i want without a problem. And no he is not a cure, he was a rescue from a very expensive litter who all ended up as fighting dogs. All except mine. I think you need to get your information right before you do a great breed a hugh disservice. By the way my pit lives with two other dogs and I have not h

-- Lisa Honsinger (lfhonsinger@hotmail.com), March 01, 2002.

Well said, Amiela!

-- Katie B (katieB@pbrc.net), March 01, 2002.

What a load of crap. I have a pitbull that lives with his 'sister', a 2 lb cat. He wouldn't hurt anyone. He's the most loving, wonderful dog I have ever known. You really should do more accurate researching before you spout off.

I had more to say, but it seems that quite a few people have 'schooled' you on what you thought you knew.

-- Laura Walenius (lwalenius@hotmail.com), March 01, 2002.

I feel so sorry for your dogs, but most of all, I feel sorry for you. To think that in your ignorance about the breed you have cheated yourself out of one of the most fulfilling, rewarding experiences you may ever get a chance to have. I used to be Anti-Pit and very Pro- German Shepherd. I wouldn't let my daughter anywhere near one and they were the only breed she was not allowed around. I have owned breeds from Miniature Daschunds to Pound Rescue Mixes. I used to breed and show German Shepherds in Canada, and a lot of them were Schutzund trained. (Don't know what that is? Educate yourself and look it up) Since my husband introduced me to Pits, I have become a soap box convert. We went to get one for the two of us for a family pet, and within a week we went back and got her sister. I have been told by breeders that what we have is unusual. They just turned 4 years old and not once, ever, have they had a fight with each other or any other dog. Our friends have brought their dogs over and stayed the weekend with us with all the dogs running around the yard together, even getting into 3 and 4-way tug-of-wars with their toys. And the only human aggression they have ever shown has been toward a drunk who thought he knew them well enough he could climb over our fence at 1 a.m. with us sleeping and they got my husband's pant leg a couple of times. He came in real late, trying to be quiet and not wake me. It was dark and they tried to jerk him down, but the split second they heard his voice, they were both trying to prove how sorry they were. They were not in trouble tho, they were protecting us, and you know what? They do it because they love us, neither one has had any guard or protection training whatsoever. Not even a "sic' em". That kind of love, respect, and trust has to be earned by both parties and I feel extremely grieved and sorry for you that you obviously never had the chance to learn that. Or if you did have the chance, you didn't pay attention.

-- Brandy Kingsolver (nikita@lakenorfork.com), March 01, 2002.

What kind of nut job are you?? I was raised with 2 pitbulls, my family has owned pitbulls since the 1920's, and I continue to this day to do pitbull education and rescue. Are pittbulls dangerous?? Only if people make them so! And I must say, you are one of those people. First of let me give you dog bite statistics for a central Wisconsin county (year 2001) Dog bite total reported 514 ok? Following me? amount of bites by lab/lab mix 96. by shep or shep mix 114. by chows 17. by akitas 7. by pitbulls 4. by toy breeds, rotts etc...(or mixes) 211. the rest are unknown types. One of these pitbulls turned out to be an akc registered boxer fyi so that makes 3. Now guess what the 3 most common breeds are here? 1 Lab or mixes, 2 shep or mixes, and 3 pitbull or mixes, so don't tell me about more dogs of one type yada yada yada.....Next point. How dod you measure bite pressure?? Tell me! please! Another rumor or lie that is popular...I have seen that posted already, so I will leave it alone. Now back to bites, how come pitbull attacks on people were unheard of untill the early 1980s?? Because poeple started breeding them for human aggression and for greed! Yes, pitbulls are dominant, yes they need lots of training, but so do fox terriers, Jack russwel terriers, cocker spaniels, Chows, or most types of dogs in general. Bottom line is all dogs are dangerous if not selected wisely to suit your desires, or beaten to be trained, or not trained at all, or left out on a chain like you recommend. You are a fool, and I would consider you dangerous, and not even close to being worthy of owning ANY dog, much less a pitbull! FYI both of my current pitbulls are rescues, both have a history of neglect, one is male one is female, and are both comepletely dominated by a 4 year old girl and a 2 year old boy. Want a dangerous man biting dog? Look somewhere else.

-- Rob Sosin (robsosin@hotmail.com), March 01, 2002.

Geesh - Adam, I am so happy to see your head so far up your A** to really see that you are the "lethal weapon" - not to mention you are really an idiot!

I have 4 pit bulls and hmmmmmmmm, they seem pretty happy go lucky to me - one even sleeps in my bed with my sheltie and their 8 CATS!!!!!! Geesh - no killers here... maybe an EVIL PIT BULL OWNER! But not the dogs!

As for your stressing on the word very... let me tell you a bit about the "Bottom line" YOUR IGNORANCE IS very very very, have I stressed VERY enough ?? --- DANGEROUS TO ALL ANIMALS !! Someone should have, socialized you with people and other animals!!! As for the "female being gentler, you are so out in left field as this female is far from gentle - especially with idiots like you!!! Then your line, "if it gets out of hand, punish it without abusing it. Let it know who's boss." GET A CLUE!!!!!!! DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU START BABBLING OFF LIKE THE A** THAT YOU HAVE SO APARENTLY SHOWN YOU ARE! I feel for you in a way as you put your name to that posting and you admited to owning one of these majestic animals - I feel for your dog!

On a final note - 2 of our cops here in my city have APBT's as their K9 partners and there are 3 APBT's on our countys SAR program! So, Mr."I have a red-nosed", you should do your dog a favor - get an education!

-- Katie Beaulieu (ckatbaloo@attbi.com), March 01, 2002.

Wow Adam, You seem to have formed your own fan club, NOT! First of all, you seem to be confusing dog aggression, which is common in pit bulls, with human aggression, which is an abberation caused by poor breeding and poor ownership, often combined with a lack of training and keeping dogs in outdoor runs, isolated from their families (sound familiar?) I won't rehash all of your idiotic points that have already been refuted by knowledgable owners. You will, no doubt, attempt to claim that they all own curs that are afraid of their own shadows. Sorry dear, but it just isn't so.

I happen to own an 8 year old dog aggressive female APBT (anyone who thinks females are less dog aggressive than males is NUTS)! She lives in the house, naps on the couch, and sleeps on my bed. I can take my girl out anywhere in public, including to AKC dog shows, without incident. Why? Because I TRAINED her, you idiot! Do I let her run loose in public or with strange dogs? Hell, no! Have I spent lots of hours teaching her to behave around other dogs in on-leash and/or controlled situations? Hell, yes! Locking a dog away is a chickenshit lazy "quick fix" advocated by people unwilling to properly train their dogs.

As to your "statistics", are you aware that most of the general public (read: the witnesses to a dog attack) can't even identify a pit bull? Many municipalities even have forms that list "pit bull" as the "default" when the witnesses can't identify the breed involved in an attack.

Why don't you give it a try, visit: http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html and tell me which one is a purebred APBT, WITHOUT cheating. There are 21 purebreds on that page (NO mixes), and even experienced dog owners usually guess wrong. Are you trying to tell me that your "average Joe witness" or traumatized victim has accurately identified the breed? Oh PLEASE! This is NOT to say that some poorly bred and/or irresponsibly handled APBTs haven't attacked humans. They have. The point here is that when an attack is publicized as a "pit bull attack", I just have to wonder what breed or mix the dog REALLY is. I have seen all manner of long-coated, thick tailed, long nosed mutts called "pit bulls" on the news. Even the CDC admits that their bite statistics are unreliable, due to, among other things, breed misidentification. Give it up, Adam. Your stats are horseshit according to the CDC.

All in all, your post was garbage, fortified with a healthy dose of Urban Legend. While APBTs are certainly not a breed for everyone, what breed is? Every breed has individual traits both positive and negative that must be managed. Since you don't seem willing to train your dogs properly, maybe you need a nice Lab? Susan Thompson

-- Susan Thompson (Pittrainer2@aol.com), March 01, 2002.

I roughhouse with my sister's pit all the time. He knows that his jaws are strong and can hurt people, so he 'bites' very gently during play.

We pick him up to give him a bath, and he does nothing. People have been in the apartment when she's been away and he did nothing. He is just the most gentle, loving dog.

Of all the breeds that have been maligned, the pit is particularly unfair because they really are charming, loving and adorable.

-- Kerry (dymaxia@ripco.com), March 05, 2002.

2000 p.s i. power o puh leeze!!! roflmao power like that would be able to crush through bone but i've seen many apbts doing protection training and i don't hear any complaints from the guys wearing the sleeves 2000 that's ridiculous laugh how would u measure biting power anyway lmao my god were did u get those facts i can't stop laughing my abs are starting to hurt!!!! a well bred apbt always loves children ...2000 hahaha

-- not tellin (jeebus@jeebus.com), March 05, 2002.

adam Idont know what kind of dogs you have been studying,but it dont sound like a pit.I have 25 loving pitbulls that are all very game and also loving and protective of my kids.I would love to talk to the profeesor you say measured psi on a pitbull with a device that dont exist.Adam I love to talk pits with anybody but it,s people like you that give pitbulls bad names.I also got two that are exellent house dogs.If you really study,d the breed you,r report would have read something like very strong and determend loyal loving companion but also game a superb athleat conqer any task it must. can be aggresive towerds animals at times but so can any animal.My self Ilove the breed and wouldnt have no other.If anybody was thanking of getting one all you have to do is love and respect your dog and it will reward you.,they also need excersize but need little grooming they are very smart and can adabt to about any climat they are by far the most versatile dog in the world . I think pitbulls make a great family dog because they dont really fear people. Say most cases pitbulls wont bite out of fear so most of them are very people friendly unless they get into the hands of dangeras people.If anybody would like to here more about the(truth) about the AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIER thanks Jason

-- jason seabolt (alawrence@seidata.com), March 06, 2002.

Mr.Adam Smith,you must be the biggest idiot on the planet because if you have done any type of research on this breed maybe you would realize that your so called apbt intelligence is worth about as much as your 2 dogs shi#.You say that you obtained accurate PSI meaurements from Cornell and Berkely professors why dont you get that in writing and post it. OPPS you cant because it doesnt exist you jackas#. Next time you decide to try to write your little story on apbt, get your facts straight. I am a proud owner of the APBT and it is people like yourself that bring such negative press to this wonderful breed. I hope you can read because it would be a good idea for such a smart fellow like yourself to get the real facts on this great legend we call the APBT.

-- Nathan kehrein (kehrein56@yahoo.com), March 06, 2002.

If your pit bulls are dangerous than you have no one to blame but yourself. I own 2, not to mention the 15+ i have been around and taken care of for my friends (we all own them. Not all are from the same gene pool either!) They are the most loyal, obediant dogs i have ever seen. one of mine doesn't even bark at people, he just runs right up and starts licking them and wants to be loved. He was beaten as a puppy and I rescued him from his awful owner. The other one i own used to get so scared when i would yell at him (i was housebreaking him) that he would pee and run to his kennel and not come out! Now he listens very well and has stopped peeing in the house. They play tug-of-war together and true, they do have very strong grips we can make them stop as soon as we say so. So I don't know where you are finding these horrible pit bulls at. i think ypur problem is that you don't have the balls to take care of a pit bull. They do need some authority and if you show it they will not dare cross you. They can sense fear and if they think they can get away with something they might try it so don't be such a pussy. Show them who's boss and believe me if you do you will have the best compangion and friend a person could find. They both sleep with us every night and i wouldn't have it any other way. They wouldn't let anything happen to us or our house. I even trust them to watch my niece and nephews. They love to play with the kids and are very gentle with them even through all the ear and tail pulling. I let them play outside together and i know nothing will happen to those kids. If that isn't a good dog than I don't know what is

-- wouldn't you like to know (elysemarie69@hotmail.com), March 07, 2002.

adam- you are truly an idiot! what you have wriiten is doing our great breed and its owners a huge injustice! all you have succeeded in doing is to perpetuate rumours and myths. i will not bother to rehash everything that people here have said, however , if you care to be educated,(did you attend at least elementary school?), please feel free to call me ANYTIME! you obviously know nothing about pit bulls or dogs of any breed. it sounds to me like your dogs could use a LOVING home, mine is available. 443-226-7282

-- Ivan Lowe (ilowe74@hotmail.com), March 09, 2002.

Whew! This thread blew my mind. Obviously, this Adam knows nothing about the APBT!

I happen to be looking for an APBT. I don't do puppies, would like a dog at least 10 months old, female (spayed would be great) and doesn't have to be registered. She would be a companion, I don't show. If anyone in south central Texas can help, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

-- Cactus (cactus10@webtv.net), March 10, 2002.

I feel extremely sorry for your animals to live with such an ignorant, know-nothing person. My two American Pit Bull Terriers are the best dogs than anyone could ever ask for. My smallest dog is a 35lb red/rednose. She is in training for her CGC and TDI title, not to mention that she is actively shown and is in training for weightpull. My dogs are 4 and 2 years of age respectively and have never been in a fight. Yes, these dogs are game and it is our job as responsible owners to make sure that our animals are under control at all times! You want some true information people??? Talk to your veterinarian! Ask them what they think about the American Pit Bull Terrier! I guarantee you any of the six veterinarians that I work with (I am a vet tech) would much rather see an APBT walk through the door any day than a host of other breeds including Shar-Peis, Rottweilers, etc. The last two dogs put down in our clinic (at the owner's request) for biting were both Labrador Retrievers. As well in the Temperment Test scoring - Golden Retrievers are only ranked a couple points higher in the passing department - don't tell me that the APBT is unstable and dangerous! And, as for a two month old dog humping the leg, I see it all the time in every breed. That is no example of anything. Yes, the breed is dominant, but so are Labrador Retrievers. Do you know how many Lab owners come into the clinic because their puppies are lifting their lips at the owner, mounting the baby, etc? My girls make much better house pets than my friends Doberman, my cousin's mongrel, and my aunt's Golden. Do you know how many compliments I get on my dogs good behavior and how many people want to buy my dogs when I take them out in public because of their willingness to listen and obey? Of course you don't, your dogs are locked outside with no human contact on a chain or in a cage some place. Your dogs are not members of the family like mine are. Take a look at my website and see pictures of my girlfriends dogs. They live in the house (3 APBT's) with 5 cats, 1 bird, and 3 children under the age of 3. Everyone gets along and lives in harmony. Your friend's currs are likely well-trained dogs that have been well- socialized. I am sorry that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, but don't publish trash like this for pro-BSL people to use against us...


-- Vanessa Crutchfield (APBTluvr@netscape.net), March 12, 2002.

Adam I would just like to know where you got your information from dumb A** or us. I think that if you hate the Pit Bull breed so bad you need to give away the ones you got to a good home, that would truely love them, and get you a kitten, because if you hate the breed as bad as you claim you do, you can't possably be treating your Pits good. I own 6 American Pit Bull Terriers and 1 American Staffordshire Pit Bull right now and serveral in the passed 18 years and I never had any one of them to hurt any other living thing. Matter of fact one of my pits that I owned 15 years ago saved my life from a man comeing at me with a butcher knife. The man killed my pit (and he'll go to hell for that, but my Pit didn't he went to heven for saving my life). And I'm sorry, but every time I see some stuped S*** like you wrote it makes me mad. Because Pit Bulls is not mean or killers unless you make them that way, whitch by the way sounds like what you are doing because in the passed 18 years I've never had my pits hang from a rope, never seen any use for it. A dog hanging from a rope of any kind looks stuped to me. I think that you need go back to collage, because you sure didn't learn anything when you were there. GIVE THE PITS THAT YOU HAVE AWAY TO GOOD HOMES AND GET YOU A KITTEN AND STOP BI***ING ABOUT HOW BAD AND MEAN YOU THINK THEY ARE. Ms. Adam Smith. I have alot more that I'd like to tell you but I'd proably get in trouble and you wouldn't uderstand what I was saying anyway. Linda Graves TGRAVES1@nc.rr.com

-- Linda Graves (TGRAVES1@nc.rr.com), March 18, 2002.


-- Anne Preston (theprestons@comcast.net), March 21, 2002.

Dude, what the hell are you spreading all this garbage about? I've owned 3 pit's in my life, And none have ever attacked me. The only time they've ever attacked anyone was in 98 when a burular broke into my home with 9mm pistol. Needless to say Ruphie (my dog) took care of her. If anything, I owe my life to my dog.

-- Hunter Dallas (spunter84@hotmail.com), March 24, 2002.

WARNING!!!!! Pit Bulls ARE dangerous!! Beware of overwhelming loyalty, self-confidence, undaunting desire to please, and character. Pit Bulls will destroy you.... with unconditional love and dedication.

-- Sonia G. (STARSOFAZ@AOL.COM), March 24, 2002.

Well, the only thing I can say is that if Adam was trying to do the breed a favor by scaring off irresponsible owners he's done a terrible job. Rottweilers are the number one most dangerous dog in the US based on the number of fatal attacks by it's breed. Also, pound for pound Rottweilers also have a stronger bite. You've already been educated on animal aggressive v human aggressive so I won't go there. I have two APBT's an adult male rednose stray and an 11 month old female and they play tug of war together. My male is animal aggressive anything from a horse to a chicken but he tolerates whatever we put in front of him without a bit of fuss, he actually dotes on the little girl. Pit Bulls are 100% personality with a ferocious need to please and be loved by all human beings. It's a genetic trait bred into them and can, with a lot of work, be trained out of them. You really need to get your facts straight and get some balls, especially if you own the breed. Be a man and read some books.

-- Sara McKee (lilluvbuggg@aol.com), March 25, 2002.

You are a fuck*@& putz I own an APBT the most lethal thing on the dog is his tail. Just the other day my friend came over late at night I had fell asleep on the couch the dog met him at the door ...I bet you want me to say Snarling and barking well you are wrong moron the dog was lickin' him and waggin his tail. Look into shit b4 you open your mouth. Dumbass

-- Guess (michaeljbird455@netscape.net), March 26, 2002.

By the way, my sister Kerry up there is the one roughhousing with my pit bull. It really enrages me when people such as Adam fail to properly educate themselves before spewing out hurtful and dangerous bs. It is true that aggression towards other DOGS is bred into the breed, but even this does not mean that all pit bulls are completely intolerant of other dogs. Aggression towards people is not at all typical of the breed, and dogs that display human aggression are most likely inbred or are trained to be that way. My dog, Mack, is a rescued ex-fighter, and while he does need to really get used to another dog before he throws down his defenses, once he does, he is a very friendly playmate. Even so, I am responsible enough to keep him away from other dogs on the street. I am fully confident however, that a 3 year old child could run up to him, screaming and yelling, and probably jump on him, only to be showered with kisses. When the breeding of Pit Bulls first started, dogfighters wanted a dog that would not bite them if they tried to pull them out of a ring - even when they're in full attack mode. Loyalty and friendliness to people was bred into them, and anyone who has spent enough time around these dogs knows how sweet they are. The shelter that I volunteer at houses dogs of many different breeds, but the majority are pit bulls. In the many years the shelter has been open, there have been several dogs that only a few very experienced people could handle, because of their aggressive tendencies towards people. We have never had a single pit bull come through the shelter who has shown ANY aggression towards people. I just wish people like Adam would learn to think for themselves, instead of letting the media do it for them.

-- Kelly (kellysandwichhand@lycos.com), March 26, 2002.

You don't seem to hear about it, but my vet says the dog with the highest record for biting people is the cocker spaniel.

-- rocky (rocky@nospam.com), March 28, 2002.

I just thought I would reply as I have just read the first message about pitbulls being aggressive. I think that that what you are saying is completly wrong, I have friends who have owned Pitbulls and they are brilliant dogs. I myself have a Staffordshire Bull Terrier and they were the dogs that were originally bred for fighting in England and he is the most brilliant dog ever. It may be true that these type of dogs were bred to fight but things have changed. If the dog is reared correctly then it will be the best pet ever but if it is treated badly and encouraged to be aggressive then it can be dangerous JUST LIKE ANY OTHER TYPE OF DOG, even the smallest of dogs can be dangerous, it is all down to the owner. Can you imagine if a child was brought up by parents that shouted and smacked all the time and left the child on his own all day, more than likely he is going to turn out nasty because he feels insecure, dogs are the same. I think you need to get your facts straight and stop beliving all this media hype surrounding Bull Terriers. Maybe if you actually owned one yourself you would learn a thing or two, you would probably be doing exactly what we are all doing now and defending our threatened breeds.

-- Jay (jayan_marie@hotmail.com), April 03, 2002.

I am 20 years old and have owned 5 red nose pits, I have never had any problem with any of them, the only problem I have ever had is them being very protective of me, they have all been male pits and me being a female doesnt work when someone trys f*ck*** around. Next time, you need to think about sh*t before you speak. I have never seen a dumb*ss before like you talking sh*t about the most loyal dog God has ever put on the earth.

-- Laura (marinebaby69@yahoo.com), April 03, 2002.

Adam Smith you have without a doubt just made the biggest fool of yourself LMAO!! Tell me something dickhead, if thats what you really believe - why on earth do YOU own 2 pitbulls?? for what reason ??? You are probably just another one of those dickheads that want the toughest dog in the neighbourhood, a fashion accsessory to make yourself look tuff because you are so pathetically insecure as a man - YOU PEOPLE DO OUR GREAT BREED SO MUCH HARM!! Any true pitbull lover knows that these dogs are the best dog out there, of sound mind and nature. You are NOT worthy to own a dog! Try gold fish or something

-- Heath - Australia (Mr_Majestic@pitbullmail.com), April 09, 2002.

What a total loser!!! To think that APBT's are really that dangerous. It's a good thing I read through all the replies of the many responsible and loving Pitbull owners.

I just bought a female Pit and was at first frightened with all the facts that Mr. "Pitbulls are DANGEROUS" laid out. Before actually buying a pit, I made a full research on the breed because of all the media hype this breed has been getting as man-eaters. My research showed me positive info about the breed. You should be ashamed of your self A##hole! for persuading first-time pitbull owners like us to fear the breed!!!

-- Carlos Garing (carlos@garingmail.com), April 13, 2002.

ADAM What you are saying is a load of crap. Do you have a brain where did you get this info? some carny or something!any one who knows the breed well would totally laugh at the stuff u have said you are truely a moron who was probably drunk when you wrote your bull shit information......asshole!

-- phil foster (m.gaul@sympatico.ca), April 13, 2002.

I adopted a red-nosed pitbull last year that was rescued after being raised and forced to dogfight. This dog has a lot of scars about his body and cowers when he hears loud noises. The dog was brought up by members of a street gang, who most assuredly beat this poor animal to make him mean. Anyway, enough of the sob story. The point is, he undoubtedly had a terrible past that traumatized him. Let me tell you, though, this dog is the most wonderful dog I have ever had! He is almost like a gentle giant, towering over my two house cats in size but very loving and even a bit maternal towards them (even though he's male). My pit loves other dogs in the neighborhood and has never ever lunged or even growled at other animals--I've had him over a year. He does play rough with my other dog, a lab mix, but he knows not to go too far. This is the first pitbull I've owned and I have to say I'm really impressed more with the level of intelligence of this animal than his braun. I plan on getting another pit in the future! In my opinion, it is the "breed" of the person not the breed of the dog that ulimately determines how (aggressive) he or she turns out to be.

-- Ron - Chicago (r-cleveland@nwu.edu), April 14, 2002.

This is a ridiculous article that you wrote Stereotyping pit bulls or any dog is wrong. If they are so bad,why do you still have one? You still have all your limbs ,right?

-- Guitar Guy (guitar_dancer@hotmail.com), April 14, 2002.

Adam it seems as though you have recieved your information from the National Inquirer. For example, you go to a house where the pet is a German Sheperd. The dog growls at you and you say "Wow, you have a good guard dog." But on the other hand you go to a house where the pet(or in my house my child) is an American Pit Bull Terrier. The dog growls and you automatically say, "Oh my god it is a blood thirsty, vicious, child eating pit bull!!" I hate the stereotypes. Now none of my dogs have ever growled at anyone. They are extremely loyal dogs and have only one thing on their minds and that is to please thier owner. My husband and I breed the dogs and they are our pride and joys. Once you own a bulldog you will fall so head over heels in love with the breed that you wouldn't even think about badmouthing them. Which makes me wonder if you even own any at all. That is all I have to say.

-- Allison Davis (Aligirl9565@yahoo.com), April 17, 2002.

I thought of a bunch of things to write about your over exaggerated story but decided you're not worth the time. I got four and they're all raised around my children and my brother's children, no problems. That's all. Dumb Ass

-- James Pakele (FoxPacific@email.com), April 20, 2002.

Hey, I just got a Pit Bull/Rotweiler puppy. My mom vowed to never visit me again. Yes, with all the face licking and tail wagging, I can see her fear. Not to mention the mother Pit Bull rolled over on her back, so I could pet her belly as I selected one of her 12 puppies. Sure I'm concerned about the particular mix of breeds, but I truly feel it is all in how you raise them. Anyone else out there have a princess like mine??

-- Beth Hooper (Hoopieis@aol.com), April 20, 2002.


-- carlos hernandez (de_kingus@yahoo.com), April 21, 2002.

Mr. Adam Smith, you have way to much time on your hands just to piss a lot of people off. You need to get your facts straight and open your mind much much more. Pit Bulls (red nosed pits) are my pup of choice... they are so loveable, and cuddly. Mine is my best friend, she is my exercise buddy, my guardian when my husband is out to sea (Navy), she plays and sometimes sleeps with my 3 and 1 year old babies. She hardly ever steps out of line and when she does it is due to me needing to give her a little extra attention. She chills on the couch with us, goes to the park, and the beach... a real "family" dog. I am really sorry that you are missing out on such a wonderful thing. How could you ever write something so horrible about such a wonderful animal. I am sorry but Pit Bulls are not the man eating beast's you have thought them up to be. My pup is very happy as long as she gets to run her 5 miles a day (which she does) along side my bike. They love exersice, and building muscles is great. You have been really misdirected and need to find the truth and get over WHATEVER STICK UP YOU ASS YOU HAVE. Only a jackass would write such stupid, closed minded bull shit.

-- Stephanie R. Fortney (turbeausgirl@comcast.net), April 24, 2002.


-- TIM SCOTT (tim_scott_123@hotmail.com), April 24, 2002.

Adam, I am assuming you have a small bent weener covered in spots, and you were picked on in high school. You sound like the wrong person to own a Pit bull. I agree with what you say about them being dead game etc. But I see that trait as a asset if a butt plug like yourself ever tries to hurt my kids whilst there Canine protector is around. You speak like you are getting off on corrupting a Pit bulls power. Its turds like you that have tarnished the american pit bulls reputation. If they are so dangerous why do you own one? Personally I think its safe to assume you beat your dogs. Man kind is the most dangerous animal on this planet, ignorant urinals like youself Adam. Please do ever dog owner a favour and take back all that shit you wrote. Kind regards, Gregor

-- Dr Gregor Mulvey (flippingdogrecords@bigpond.com.au), April 26, 2002.

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