Ian Paisley - Is there a good link that debunks this clown?

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Hi guys. Got into a discussion and need your help. Someone is bringing up Ian Paisley's Jesuit secret conspiracy stuff in a discussion and I'd like to be able to disqualify/debunk his garbage, but can't find any treatment of Paisley in any online Catholic Apologetics sites. Any ideas? Maybe his anti-Catholic rhetoric was too long ago or too ridiculous to even bother, but I thought I'd ask in case you knew of some good, solid material I could use.

Thanks.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (dlbowerman@yahoo.com), January 25, 2002

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-- non-Catholic Christian (dlbowerman@yahoo.com), January 25, 2002.

Dear David:
I don't know how to locate a debunker website on Paisley, but I recall vaguely a little about him. He may well be deceased by now. He was already long in the tooth back in the days of my own youth. They would write the Reverend Ian Paisley in the news; he was some kind of English protestant clergyman. A bigotted, obnoxious anti-Catholic, he loved to be called a protestant firebrand. He was really only a Louis Farrakhan type of blowhard, obsessed with hatemongering. May God in His mercy grant him peace, where ever he is.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), January 25, 2002.

Thanks Eugene. Yep, that's him alright. In the 60's, he published a supposed excerpt from the Congressional Record (from 1913) in which the secret oath of a Jesuit was quoted (the Congressional Record was supposedly tampered with and the oath subsequently removed according to Paisley). He has a website still (he's VERY long in the tooth now) in which that is still up for anyone to read (http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=jesuit). Naturally, it's laced with conspiratorial stuff involving Jesuits and their instructions during the inquisition and all that. I'm sure the oath is bogus, I just can't locate anything to help me refute it. Generally speaking, people will believe what they want and I may not be able to change that, but this guy is still out there fueling people like Jack Chick with material, so it doesn't hurt to try to expose some of their garbage.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (dlbowerman@yahoo.com), January 25, 2002.


Dave:
I wish we could. It's all the same, a symptom of what the world breeds. The world takes no heed God's commandments. The world breeds malcontents and blasphemers. That's why Our Lord never gave them a lot of emphasis; He just warned us of their coming. Jesus never said, ''My followers must stamp them out.''

He only said, ''By their fruits you shall know them.'' Ian Paisley's fruits were burning buildings and dead bodies in the streets of Londonderry.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), January 25, 2002.


Thanks again Eugene. I think I located something on Dave Armstrong's site to help out. The Jesuit oath was supposedly validated by a former Jesuit named Alberto Rivera. Armstrong has an article which exposes his total lack of credibility.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (dlbowerman@yahoo.com), January 25, 2002.



dave: ian is still alive and kicking. if you would type in "eire" on your search engine, you will come to the ireland site. click on politics and or newspapers and receive an education. his name comes up often. sincerely juan d.

-- juan d. (declined@aol.com), January 25, 2002.

In case you did not already find this, David B, here is a site with the title, "The Jesuit Oath Debunked." I have only skimmed it, but it looks good.

JFG

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), January 26, 2002.


Outstanding John!! You know I never turned that up on a google search despite using all of the phrases in that article. Just shows that even the best engine on the web has it's shortcomings. That's exactly what I needed.

-- non-Catholic Christian (dlbowerman@yahoo.com), January 26, 2002.

That Jesuit Oath has got to be one of the most hilarious things I have ever read, simply because I can't believe that someone would actually believe it.

It is truly extraordinary beyond belief some of things that people believe about the Catholic faith.

I kinda like that oath! ;-)

-- G Vink (gordonvink@bigfoot.com), January 28, 2002.


You're welcome, David B.
I'm glad that I could help you, because, even though you are no longer Catholic, you have the guts to stand up to those who are trying to promote evil things that hurt Catholics today.
JFG

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), January 28, 2002.


Aarrgh this bloke is indeed the nearest to the devil that any so- called 'clergyman' can be. He is at least as responsible for the bloodshed in Ireland over the last 30 years as the men whose animosity and under-education he whips up into insane hatred for 'the other lot'

He is public enemy number one for all Northern Irish Catholics and right-minded Protestants. His website www.ianpaisley.org is actually quite funny in its sheer ludicrousness (is that a word?)

-- Rory (rory.macqueen@btopenworld.com), February 28, 2002.


As a longtime member of the Church and Knight of Culumbus, I can only say that the use of such false oaths can only be the works of the one that we know as the DEVIL who is tirelessly trying tokeep the LOVE of our LORD from being witnessed by all. May the individuals of such falsehoods be known and shown for the lies that they portray. MAY THE TRIUNE GOD BE BLESSED BY ALL WHO HEAR HIS TRUTH. AMEN

-- Fred Bishop (fcbishop@globaleyes.net), March 02, 2002.

how many of those who have contributed to this page actually come from Northern Ireland or even have a vague idea what Dr Paisley is really like, all of the statements made are broad ascersions and ignorance, anyone who has an idea about the statement on judaism and catholicism knows that what he said has been mis-quoted and his words manipulated to suit their own arguments, anyone living in this beautiful country will know that Rev. Paisley is and continues to be the single most popular MP in the UK !

-- BOB (ainleyrobert@hotmail.com), April 08, 2002.

Hey, "BOB,"
Wild popularity never made Hitler good, right, and respectable either.
JFG

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), April 12, 2002.

Well, how can you possibly debunk what he said, when what he said is right?

-- jordan fertitta (j_fertitta@hotmail.com), April 21, 2002.


Ian Paisley reminds me of those blessed men in Acts who devoted himself to the truth of the Word of God and went boldly out as a sheep amongst wolves to preach the unadulterated Word of God! I have met this dear man and he is a friend to all that the Gospel says. I fail to see how so many people can attack his integrity without basing it off of the scriptures. He is alive, and well, preserved by God to preach the gospel and reveal sin in this world for what it is. Can we not see that the end time is near? Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand!

-- stephen (sfp37929@hotmail.com), October 09, 2002.

Dear Stephen:
If Paisley has managed to impress you as a man of God, you are too easily impressed.

You say, '' I fail to see how so many people can attack his integrity without basing it off of the scriptures.''

That isn't all you fail to see. And tell us, if you can; what is it about the scriptures that has a bearing on Ian Paisley? Is he mentioned even once in the scriptures? Because he quotes from the Holy Bible that makes him a man of God? The devil quoted very nicely from the Old Testament. Paisley is just a rabble-rouser, Stephen. His heart is filed with hatred for Catholics. We couldn't ''attack his integrity'' because he has little or none.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), October 09, 2002.


I do not know much about Ian Paisley, but I do know that the evaluation of a man's teachings and philosophies should be based on the Scriptures. Jesus did say that we would know them by their fruits; but what are the fruits of a teacher/preacher? Not his works, because even false prophets may do good things. Satan's messengers may appear as ministers of righteousness -- and thereby deceive. Wolves may appear in shee's clothing. So, when Jesus said we may know the fale prophets by their fruits, what was He saying? Well, what is the "fruit" of a teacher? HIS TEACHINGS! The way to know whether a teacher is a teacher of truth or of falsehoods is to examine the teachings against the only infallible standard of truth -- the Bible. Now, does Ian Paisley teach things contrary to Scripture or not?

-- George Christopher (knottyoak@juno.com), October 10, 2002.

Now, does Ian Paisley teach things contrary to Scripture or not?

I suggest you read the ten commandments for starters George. If we are talking about the same bigot from Northern Irelend Im thinking of... then may God have mercy on his soul. Reprehensible doesnt even begin to describe this man. YUK

-- Kiwi (csisherwood@hotmail.com), October 10, 2002.


Ian Paisley is a sick, bigoted, fascist, hate mongering Anti Catholic Nazi who has hid behind his church while his followers murder and maim people every year. He is deranged and is more to be pitied.

-- Bren Batson (thebolt1888@hotmail.com), February 02, 2003.

Just to chime in on the question of whether anything Paisley says "goes agaisnt" the teachings of the Bible. I am a Protestant who also believes that the papal office has no basis in the teachings of the Bible and that those who believe the Pope is God's representative on Earth are in error. However, I do not spit on Catholics or encourage others to murder them, but rather try to love them as I love myself, though so often I fail. Ian Paisley does not go against any one thing that the New Testament teaches, rather he goes against THE ENTIRE NEW TESTAMENT, the very essence of Christ's teaching: love your neighbor. He is an embarrassment to me, not as a Protestant, but as a Christian. In every grating and obnoxious tirade he unleashes I sense only the presence of Satan and nothing of our Lord. I try to pity him, but so often fail. He is utterly repulsive. I too would call him a clown if it weren't for the fact that clowns are harmless. If all Catholics and Protestants pray together for peace in Northern Ireland, perhaps we can counter all that he has done to advance bloodshed and suffering. God bless.

-- Landis (ldavduff@yahoo.com), February 08, 2003.

there's a book, "Persecuting Zeal" by Dennis Cook (a Methodist preacher, as i recall). this outlines his theology -- which has at its core the thesis is the old Lutheran battle-cry that the Pope is the Anti Christ. it seems to me he started first with his convictions and then turned to the bible to justify them. his criticism of the moving words of Gordon Wilson, after his daughter Marie was killed by the bomb in Enniskillen in 1987, is simply beyond belief. the book is a real eye-opener, especially for me as it clarifies the need for us all to strive for ecumenism, or at least to be nice to each other.

PS you MUST visit his web-site.

-- derek duval (derek.duval@virgin.net), February 13, 2003.


Try this: http://www.ianpaisley.net

Pax Christi.

-- Anna <>< (Flower@youknow.com), February 18, 2003.


www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/1678/ian.html

-- sheldon coulter (dobedo@yahoo.com), May 01, 2003.

As a catholic who has lived through "the troubles" in Belfast, I can remember back to when Paisley abducted a sixteen year old girl called Maura Lyons. Go here for some info on this. http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/1678/ian.html. (His position on catholics.) He had some sort of court order placed on him to stay away from her. Hoping this is of help TF

-- Tommy Flavell (t.flavell@ntlworld.com), June 27, 2003.

Actually the girl converted to the Free P`s and she ran away from home......... Try the Sermon Audio website for his sermons. The Catholic church burned "heretics" at the stake, look up 1641 in Ireland, St Bartholomews in France, the Spanish Inquisition. They also had William Tyndale strangled and burned for the heinous crime of translating the bible into English. It was such a crime that they had to SMUGGLE bibles into the country from Europe. The Truth and the gospel is out of the genie bottle and it will never be put back in. The bible is the truth and the light and Jesus is the only way to salvation. nothing else is necessary. No beads or prayers to saints, no statues or confessions to priests (try confessing your sins to God in prayer instead). That is not anti-Catholic. it is the plain and simple gospel and taught in the bible.

-- Alan D (alan@firefly.uk.net), November 25, 2004.

Alan,

Ha ha very funny the anti-Catholic within you.

-- Daniel Hawkenberry (dlm@catholic.org), November 25, 2004.


Alan, try reading a real history book by real reputable historians instead of mouth-frothing propaganda produced by ignorant fundamentalist Catholic-hating bigots. The Catholic Church never burned heretics. It was his fellow Protestants who killed Tyndale and banned his Bible.

“The bible” alone is not the truth and the light. Jesus is the truth and the light and he founded the Catholic Church to convey it to us. 400 years later the Catholic Church produced the Bible as an aid to help us.

It always makes me laugh to see people say they believe in the Bible but utterly reject the Church which produced it. You have as much credibility as someone who says, “I believe in the books of Marx, Lenin and Mao, and use them as the guide for my life, but I utterly reject the Communist Party!” LOL!

-- Steve (55555@aol.com), November 25, 2004.


It's always so ridiculous when folks who borrowed the Bible from the Catholic Church and have consistently demonstrated their inability to properly interpret it, accuse the Catholic Church of trying to keep its own book, compiled by its own bishops for its own people, out of the hands of its people. If the Catholic Church didn't want the Bible in the hands of its people, all they had to do is not compile the book in the first place. Then its people wouldn't have access to it, and neither would anyone else!

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), November 25, 2004.

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