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Do any of you use Cydectin pour-on as an oral wormer for your goats? If so, what dosage do you use? A very good goat vet we use told me to use 10cc/100 lbs. A goat breeder, also very good with possibly more experience in this area, told me to use 5cc/110 lbs. I clarified with both that I wanted the oral dose for the pour-on, not the equine Qwest(sp?) gel. I know that Cydectin can be very toxic if overdosed, so I'm confused as to what to do. My goats are healthy and wormed regularly, so illness resulting from a big parasite kill off shouldn't be a problem. I've heard this can be a problem with Cydectin and wormy goats, since the Cydectin is so effective. I would appreciate any input.
-- Paula (email@example.com), January 26, 2002
Probably not going to be the answer you want. I simply am not using it. Last kidding season my email box from the Goatworld.com 911 site was full of folks with horror stories of worming bred does with cydectin and abortions 12 to 24 hours later. Infants wormed whom colapsed afterwards. A group of 6 kids dead after CD&T in one side at 12 weeks old and Cydectin down their throats. Neurological problems. And the biggy. The way the boer goat folks talk about their stock, especially their bucks. First, they talk of their 350 to 400 pound bucks, I have seen them, I have had goats for 15 years, and they do not wiegh that much even with their horns. I would bet some of them barely hit 300 pounds. I have Nubians and a big Nubian buck is 250, and they are much taller than boers, and just as wide. So you know they are overdosing these guys first. Second is that Cydectin and Dectomax have carriers which go THROUGH THE HIDE of a cow, and you are going to give this carrier to your goat orally. The liver has to process this carrier. Third, when they talk about their goats they are old men at 5. Rarely do you hear of a Boer buck being put down because he is sterile, like our diary bucks. It's because he has wasting disease, getting progressively skinny even though fecal tests for Johnes and Cae blood tests are negative. Something has to be the cause, and I think it is the Cydectin, coupled with the endless drugs these folks use. LA200 is the early 90's penicillin and the late 80's combiotic. Dexamethazone a powerful steriod and Banamine are part of even new folks drug kits. Before the refridgerator method of treating illness would be worming, probios, perhaps some pennicillin then if it didn't work call the vet. Now its LA200 or Nuflor, Banamine, Dex, Cydectin, ID-1 check the internet..........:) Vicki
-- Vicki McGaugh TX (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 26, 2002.
Go Get 'Em, Vicki!
My vet and I did a trial with Cydectin using it as it is intended--- as a pour on. Guess what??? It works as a pour on. We checked fecal samples before using it and after. I even waited until we had a pretty good parasite load. It about killed me. Something like 6-7 eggs a sample using the grid. Anyway, ten days after using it, there were NO eggs. Nada, zippo, zilch and it stayed that way for 13 weeks. Then I began to find one or two eggs. My vet really did not want to do anything until we found 4 in a sample. I really biased it and oversampled. Took a bit more than 17 weeks to get to 4 eggs in a sample. I used pasture rotations and cut my worming down to twice a year. Had no abortions with pregnant does or birth defects. I used it on about 45 does. We have since moved and I cannot find a vet as goat friendly or who believes I am not slightly insane. I am not able to do the pasture rotations as I would like yet, so I am back to playing it by ear until I can get things worked out.
-- Tana Mc (email@example.com), January 26, 2002.
I'll stick with Valbazen...You know, something just bothers me about through the skin protectants. Like the Advantage for dogs and cats, and pour on wormers. I know they work, but It sure seems like it would have to just about harden the liver to a board over time. I'll crawl back in my hole now;).
-- Doreen (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 26, 2002.
Thanks for your input, and anyone else with even anecdotal info, please post. And no, Vicki, you didn't tell me anything I didn't want to hear. I wanted honest input. You made some good points I hadn't thought of. I love my goats and wouldn't knowingly do anything to hurt them. I hate even having to use wormers on them, and almost never use antibiotics. Some of you may remember from a post in the past on Countryside, I'm the one who almost let my beloved old Jersey cow die because I didn't want to use chemical wormers and was trying alternatives. Anyway, thanks for the input.
-- Paula (email@example.com), January 27, 2002.
BTW Vicki, I know firsthand about the extreme overuse of drugs and antibiotics these days, and couldn't agree with you more. I'm a critical care nurse:)
-- Paula (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 27, 2002.
Paula I was really hoping that somebody who uses it would speak up. It is used all over my area of Texas. 1cc per 25 pounds, given orally. It does work, the tests done at Texas A&M showed it worked remarkably on hemoncous which is a killer here in Texas. Jean Baugh at Old Glory http://www.cybergoat.com/JB/OldGlory.html used it poured on and had deaths and neurological problems that lasted for several months on her does. I know other folks who had problems themselves after dosing this and getting it on their hands. Think about wearing gloves, and this is definetly not something you send the children out to use, it will go through your skin also. And even though Cydectin poured onto a cow has no milk withdrawal can't see how wouldn't have a milk withdrawal given orally. Vicki
-- Vicki McGaugh TX (email@example.com), January 27, 2002.
Thanks, Vicki. I've decided not to use it. Way too nasty for me! Paula
-- Paula (firstname.lastname@example.org), January 28, 2002.
We have Nubian's and we use Cydectin as an oral wormer. Our vet, who is a goat specialist from the University of Kentucky, recommends Cydectin at 1cc per 20 lbs. We never give it to a pregnant doe. Our goats were due worming, but the vet recommended waiting until all kids were born and then worm all goats at the same time. We had 1 kid which was 6 weeks old and 1 kid 4 days old. The 6 week old got 1cc only. The 4 day old got none. We only have 6 goats total. We wormed 5 and 24 hours later rotated pastures. We started using Cydectin last year when our newly purchased Buck got an acute case of parasites and we almost lost him. The Cydectin worked. Another good wormer is Panacure. We will use Cydectin a couple of times and then switch to Panacure the next time. All our goats are healthy at this time. From some of the other comments, we think perhaps some of the goats mentioned have been overdosed. Perhaps cutting back to 1cc per 20 lbs. would be best, and never give it to a pregnant doe or a baby under 1 month old. Best wishes to all!
-- Daniel Hamilton (email@example.com), April 07, 2003.
Had a customer come out to buy some young barbedo ewes and she says her vet swears by it - that he has READ THE INSTRUCTIONS over and over and it is made orally for goats. Well, we all know that's not true. I put a call into Ft. Dodge and they told me emphatically that it is a pour on and NOT FOR ORAL USE. They have horror stories about deaths caused by it's use. The maker did not intend cydectin for oral use and they don't recommend using it as such. I am hooked on "ivermectin." I have a microscope and run fecals and Ivermectin is my "dream" wormer. I have used Valbazen, Safeguard, even diatamecous earth when that was the rage and nothing has worked like Ivermectin. I give 3cc orally of the injectable cattle wormer. I also use 1cc per month orally for my Livestock Guard Dogs and show dogs for heart worm prevention. Great stuff! I am very happy that there are generic ivermectins so I don't have to buy Ivomec any longer. One more Cydectin comment. My vet's a young Aggie and very knowledgable country vet and he said if it was made as a topical, it only makes sense not to give it orally. I have to agree. I did try cydectin years ago and didn't get the same results as with Ivermectin. I have been a goat rancher in S. Texas for 12 years and I have run the spectrum from 100% Boers to all percentages, pygmies, nubians, etc. as well as sheep. Ivermectin is the panacea for me!
-- Sherry Faye Rodarmor (firstname.lastname@example.org), August 31, 2004.