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Joel has returned and posted on the Countryside forum, I think he got about 30 responses on the first day!
Unfortunately much of what he says may be true.
The way against terror so far has been as much against the previous government of Afghanistan with apparently little public understanding of what part those people played in the events of early September. That war is far from over in fact it is debatable as to whether that country is more or less stable than it was before the foreign intervention.
The POTUS has twice, perhaps more times, listed three countries as members of an 'evil axis' and again there is little public understanding of why they have been selected.
Can anybody tell me what it is that North Korea, Iraq and Iran have done in the last few years to warrant drawing up this list?
-- john hill (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 03, 2002
according to CNN,, POTUS claims they have "aided" terrorists,, either by suppling or direct support.
-- Stan (email@example.com), February 03, 2002.
I sure hope Joel will come and post here. I dont totally agree with anyone, yet I enjoy seeing all opinions to help me decide my own positions. He has some very interesting posts.
-- Jay Blair in N. AL (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 03, 2002.
Joel's post and the thirty responses have been deleted (11:43) CST. Ah well, thats Ken. One CS poster (Paul) wrote "Ken, you can be such a killjoy... passion is a part of posting. Maybe that did it. Anyway, Joel was referred to Freedom before the slate was wiped.
-- charles (email@example.com), February 03, 2002.
Hmmm. Well, were people happy to see his name?
Ken is just acting like the two bit dictator he hopes to become. Don't expect anything else from a self professed bureuacrat. It's their forum and they can do what they want, but it sure seems like every potential homesteading question has been asked... twice, and if they want to be so heavy handed they should just take it off and leave it as an information only no posting allowed board which you can do through the administrator function. It would free up some time for Ken to actually try to do some work with his place.
I guess just being a non boot licker was enough to make the post verboten. Did he cuss or anything?? Good to know he jumped in, but is he back online? Guess I'll give him a call if no one knows the answers. Thanks for the report!
-- Doreen (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 03, 2002.
Ooops! I forgot to mention that according to King George the Twooth, the US of A qualifies as aiding and abetting terroists. Last year we gave 142 million to the Taliban before we decided to bomb them. Nice to see our taxes spent so wisely. Just makes me want to grab that made in China Amerikan flag and go on a parade!!!
-- Doreen (email@example.com), February 03, 2002.
Doreen---if I remember correctly--- I think Joel just said he was checking in as it had been a year----& if I am correct /he was on a friends computer---but you know me-pretty well & I'm not sure if all that is correct--as it was at least yesterday that I read the post- ha!---
I certainly didn't always agree with Joel-----but I did respect his right to his own opinions---same as I have mine!!
Joel certainly livens up the world!!!! And you never have to guess where he stands on anything!!!! I love knowing where people stand instead of being fence stradlers or someone haveing a different opinion depending who they are with---or even worse those who have never formed an opinion!!!!
I do so admire straight forward people even if I don't always agree with their opinions!!
-- Sonda in Ks. (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 03, 2002.
I do miss Joel. He is the best of the Pirate Farmers.
-- Laura (Ladybugwrangler@hotmail.com), February 03, 2002.
I don't know about you folks but I am getting distinctly uneasy. Am I to believe POTUS is preparing you for wars against countries no one knows anything about?
-- john hill (email@example.com), February 03, 2002.
According to the news media: N. Korea manufactures and then sells materials such as missles, etc. to terrorist states such as Iran...Iran sells missles and items which could be used to manufacture biological weapons to Iraq..Iraq, which is quite upfront about its' desire to see the USA blown off the globe, refuses to allow UN inspectors back into the country to prove or disprove the manufacturing of "weapons of mass distruction". Iran is also supposedly giving arms and aid to remnants of the Taliban and arab forces in Afghanistan. Surely you have heard these claims in the news, since there is nothing else they have to talk about lately? Whether or not you concur is a different matter. I am old enough to recall North Korea and Iran and Iraq happily pondering aloud how to destroy the USA..they have never been reluctant to speak their minds publicly concerning our country. North Korea, over the last several years has toned down its' anti-American rhetoric substantially. My personal opinion, (of no surprise to anyone I'm sure), is that we can simply do nothing and wait until Iraq has the long-range capability of blowing entire USA cities to smithereens, not to mention Europe, or we can finally have the gumption to finish what the Gulf War started. I have zero empathy for Hussein and his ilk. It is unfortunate that our CIA had its' hands tied by the do-gooders for years. Now, before I get blasted, please bear in mind that we are all entitled to our opinions. LOL
-- lesley (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 03, 2002.
The DPRK (aka North Korea) has been in a bad way for a decade or so. They lost their Soviet patron at a time when the national infrastructure was very run down and have had a few years of drought plus at least one tidal wave.
If DPRK is making and selling arms it is probably the best thing Dear Leader could do for his people as this has to be just about the most lucrative range of products they could produce. The DPRK missile technology appears to be based on variation of the old Soviet SCUD missile although they did manage to scare the wits out of Japan by launching sort sort of combination rocket over their heads!
At one time the DPRK was looking towards the US in a most friendly manner but they were snubbed although a number of other countries have now recognised the Kim regime I don't think the US has. It is only about 18 months since I saw reports indicating the DPRK was to be removed from the list of 'terrorist' states, I wonder what has changed?
The US was/is a member of KEDO, an organisation of a number of countries dating from about 1990 which made a deal with the DPRK, the deal was that if the DPRK ceased work on a Soviet-pattern nuclear power station KEDO would provide a US-pattern power station instead. I believe DPRK kept to the agreement but the power station work has barely started. Meanwhile Pyongyang is in the middle of another winter with many people in unheated and unlight apartment buildings.
But don't take my word for it as I have only been there once, instead take a look at www.nautilus.org/napsnet
-- john hill (email@example.com), February 04, 2002.
Lesley---(((((hugs!)))))- of course you are entitled to your opinion!
The thing that is so whacked about our definitions of which countries are "helping" terrorists is that we have no consistency. Look at China. They threaten us with nuclear attacks on a near monthly basis and yet we give them most favored nation permanent trade status. They also sell the technology we gave them for weapons of mass destruction to Pakistan, and North Korea, and who knows who else. They are much more of a military threat than North Korea or Iran. And the thing about Iran is that our ambassador was told to tell Saddam Hussein to go ahead with the invasion of Kuwait. Then we jump in. Now that scrimmage was not at all about taking Saddam Hussein out of power. It was fully intended to bring about 'the New World Order", remember George the First told us so. I recall him saying something to the effect of adhering to the UN Constitution.
Also of terrific interest is that "we" created Saddam Hussein as well! We were playing the dangerous game that has been back firing of late. ....ie. 'the enemy of our enemy is our friend'. So we need to seriously address our actions, as well as others....I suggest we cannot address others alliances and actions until we have a candid look at our own.
I wish our leaders had a smattering of wisdom, in that you don't enter into all these alliances with countries with whom you have dreadfully serious ideological differences. But then that would endanger this lovely NWO, where wars aren't wars and they go on forever, and little achieved other than the dismantling of our freedoms and the continuance of building hatred toward Americans.
There is an article today regarding us saying that we will "go this alone" because our allies aren't puffing their chests out enough for our liking. That sounds great. US against the World.....grrroan.
-- Doreen (firstname.lastname@example.org), February 04, 2002.