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As you all know...maybe, the WTP Foundation was supposed to have a two day meeting with the DOJ and the IRS. They refuse. Here is an appeal to all of us from Bob Schultz and the list of freedoms already lost is in itself astounding. Thought it might be good food for thought and perhaps something to give folks a little "charge" factor. If you think the Constitution might be worth one minute of your time you can go to and click on the "Stand and be counted" link to sign a petition to let the arrogant, elitist, extra legal, outlaw rulers know that you care a little bit about the First amendment and all the others as well.

How bout it? Our forefathers pledged their lives, can you sign a petition?

-if you think that is a taunt, you are very perseptive;)

*********************************************************************** An Appeal to Every Organization That Stands For Liberty

The Time Has Come For Us to Stand Together

I am writing this letter to ask for your help.

As you may know, We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education, Inc. has been working diligently for years to expose the grave danger that bloated, wasteful and out-of-control government poses to our unalienable rights as Americans. This appeal is being sent to the leaders of every major organization that is fighting to defend our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and ultimately, the very survival of our Republic.

Who can deny that we have reached a critical juncture in the life of our Country? The size, scope and power of the federal government have become so vast that virtually every aspect of our lives is monitored, regulated, documented and controlled. We are asking those organizations, like yours, that have been courageously leading the fight for freedom and the return to our nation's founding principles, to now stand together and speak with a common voice.

Notwithstanding our different and sometimes competing missions, we must acknowledge that divided and separate, we will never achieve the critical mass or the momentum required to restore our rightful liberty. We must acknowledge that academic rhetoric and abstract political debate have failed to hold our servant government in check.

This is an appeal to all patriotic organizations across our nation that stand guard over the flame of liberty. We ask that you join us in this unprecedented effort to bring all major freedom organizations together with a common focus and purpose…to restore the authority of the United States Constitution and Bill of Rights as the foundation for our system of government in America.

We The People Foundation would like to invite you and your senior representatives to be our guests at a private dinner and informal discussion session on February 27, 2002, at 6:00 p.m., at the Washington Marriott Hotel. We will have a guest dinner speaker, and afterwards conduct an open discussion of how freedom organizations can work together to create a powerful and effective force for liberty that is greater than the sum of its parts.

How many of our unalienable rights have already been completely lost or seriously eroded by an overreaching and power-hungry federal government?

The right to privacy The right to property The right to a public trial The right to a speedy trial The right to a trial by a jury The right to due process of law The right to a fully informed jury The right to keep and bear arms The right to freedom from vote fraud The right to freedom from taxes on wages The right to a republican form of government The right to a politically independent judiciary The right to freedom from involuntary servitude The right to confront the witnesses against you The right to freedom from government acts not enumerated The right to freedom from searches without probable cause The right to a monetary system backed by a precious metal The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances The right to freedom from laws that favor public over private education The right to freedom from being forced to be a witness against yourself The right to freedom from searches and seizures without proper warrants The right to freedom from the "same hands" controlling all three branches The right to freedom from having property taken without just compensation The right to freedom from federal laws in areas outside of federal jurisdiction The right to freedom from the imposition of direct taxes not tied to the census The right to representation loyal to the constitution rather than to a political party The right to freedom from having an appeals court re-examine facts tried by a jury The right to freedom from the use of the armed forces without a declaration of war The right to freedom from constitutional amendments not ratified by * of the States The right to freedom from the usurpation of the powers of the Congress by the Executive

Now is the moment for those who deeply love our country, and what it truly stands for, to set aside their differences and unite in defense of our Constitution and rightful liberties as Americans.

No single freedom organization in the country has the influence, resources or capability to stem the tide of government tyranny alone. But together we have the mass, the scale, and the power to bind our servant government down with the chains of the Constitution. We need only to find the courage to live the convictions of our hearts, the wisdom to look beyond the immediate obstacles in our path, and the confidence that the Master of the Universe will once again reward our vigilance with the blessings of liberty.

Each freedom organization has its own mission, purpose and strategy. Whether the organization is devoted to the protection and preservation of our 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms, or our 1st Amendment right to petition our government for redress of grievances, the issue that ultimately ties us all together is the defense of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. If every freedom organization that usually concentrates on just one of the aforementioned rights decided to unite and focus on a single constitutional violation, consider the possibilities. The critical mass of influence would be overwhelming.


As you may know, the Foundation is engaged in an extraordinary struggle to hold the federal government accountable to the First Amendment's guarantee of every citizen's right to properly petition the government for a redress of grievances and the government's obligation to properly answer. In our case the grievances relate to the constitutional and statutory authority of the IRS to force employers to withhold the income tax from the paychecks of their employees and the legal authority of the IRS to force most citizens to file a tax return and to pay the tax. The most probable outcome of the Foundation's success in this struggle will be a more constitutionally limited government--an objective that we all share.

We do not expect any of the freedom organizations that are being invited to join us for dinner and discussion on February 27 to take a position for or against any of the propositions relating to the fraudulently assumed jurisdiction of the IRS and the unlawful income tax system. We do, however, hope to achieve support for our position that Americans have a constitutionally protected right to petition our servant government for redress of grievances, and a right to demand that the government respond openly and honestly to that petition, for without the right to petition the government for redress of grievances then, in practical effect, the people have no rights at all.

While the leaders and members of all liberty rights and freedom organizations are invited to register to attend the tax hearing on February 27 and 28 (it's free), we sincerely hope that a representative from each group will register to attend the special "UNITY DINNER" on February 27, which is also free of charge (although the Foundation would not turn any donations away ).

For more information on the Foundation and our Petition for Redress of Grievances relating to the federal power to tax, please visit our website,

Please note that preferred registration status for the daytime tax hearing will be given to leaders and senior representatives of liberty rights organizations.

Even if you choose not to attend, please consider the impact you may have by spreading the word of this initiative throughout your organization's membership.

I look forward to seeing you in Washington.

Robert Schulz

Chairman We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education, Inc. 2458 Ridge Rd. Queensbury, New York 12804 (518) 656-3578 phone (518) 656-9724 fax

-- Doreen (, February 08, 2002



Do you really think that all these groups around the country could ever come together on any issue? I for one wish that they could, but alas I don't really believe it can, or will happen soon. There is too much of a power struggle between many of these groups. Thay are all competing for you donations. The more money they receive, and the more members they have the more power they have. I really can't see most of them being willing to give up anything of what they have, even for the better good. I may be pessimistic, but I am also being realistic. I would be thrilled if this happened, but I am not holding my breath for it to occur. There is still too much of the "Me first" attitude in most people to allow this type of thing to occur, and until that changes we are at the mercy of big government.

Talk to you later.

-- Bob in WI (, February 09, 2002.

Well gee, Bob----and people call me cynical. Are you saying that all of these organizations are really only interested in themselves and care nothing for the Constitution? Or are you just calling me a Polly Anna for believing in ideals again?

if there is hope, it lies in the proles............

-- Doreen (, February 10, 2002.


Yes, I guess I am becoming cynical. It is hard for me not to. Look at the charites and all the recent problems with them, such as Red Cross, United Way, Jesse Jackson etc. They are all having major problems with honesty and accountability.

I believe most in the freedom groups want the freedom they talk about. Unfortunately sometimes we have leaders in power who only want the power and forget about the mission of the group. I know this is not always the case, but it is of concern to me. I want my money to go where it will be utilized to the maximum. For example not to pay for a mistress to keep her mouth shut about being pregnant and then paying for child support with tax exempt donations. No way.

I guess what I am saying is that we need to closely scrutinize these groups and their leadership to make sure that they are up to the standards that we insist that the adhere to, if not no more money. Plain and simple. Tell everybody you know when you spot a fraudulent group and pull no punches to remove them from business.

Talk to you later.

-- Bob in WI (, February 11, 2002.

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