Looking for a Savage 22-410 over under

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I've been trying to find an older Savage 22-410 over/under model gun. Had one when I was young and would like to get another one. I tried to order one from a dealer but was told that they don't make them anymore. I'm in NC, can anyone help?

-- Sue (rainbowacres1@yahoo.com), February 09, 2002


You are asking for a very popular weapon. That meaning that those with them rarely like to give them up. Have you tried e-bay ? My next choice would be watching for auctions of personal estates. If all this fails than in the fall there is the worlds largest gun swap meet in Hillsdale on the N.C.--Virginia border. It is on or near Labor Day and if it is a gun than you can find it there. If I had one I would place the maximum value at $125.00. Happy Hunting !

-- Joel Rosen (JoelnBecky@webtv.net), February 10, 2002.

Thanks for the answer!! Yeah, I'm gonna start going to some shows soon. I never even thought of ebay, thanks. I can understand why they would be so liked, real easy to handle.

-- Sue (rainbowacres1@yahoo.com), February 10, 2002.

Hello Joel,

Sorry to say, Ebay does not sell rifles, handguns or ammo anymore. Though they do sell accessories, (magazines, pouches, etc) They also quit selling food, tobacco and non-FDA approved health products too.

Good luck in finding this rifle, as I have been searching for one myself a long long time. They are popular and no one wants to sells theirs.



-- http://communities.msn.com/livingoffthelandintheozarks (espresso42@hotmail.com), February 10, 2002.

Sue, they have one listed on the web page of a store called The Shootist in St. Albert, Alberta, Canada. The list price is $149. Perhaps a local gun dealer could order it from them for you. Their email address is shootist@shootist.ab.ca

-- Rags (RaggedReb@aol.com), February 11, 2002.

Does it have to be in .22/.410? Because I think Savage Arms still manufactures one in .22 / 20 gauge. Very expensive; about $400 retail, though Shotgun News can beat that.

Advice above is good, a gun show might turn one up, though they are getting scarce.

-- j.r. guerra in s. tx. (jrguerra@boultinghousesimpson.com), February 13, 2002.

Does it have to be savage? Springfield armory makes a .22/.410. It is called a M6 Scout. I think it goes for about $180.

-- Joe (idahomoose@hotmail.com), July 08, 2002.

Dear Sue, I do. I have no use for mine. And would like to sell it. But, as my E- mail adress indicates I am in South Africa. I am unsure if it is possible for you to import it, but you are welcome to find out and let me know. I must let you know though that it is a very old model and the inside parts are worn. Parts for this rifle in S.A is not obtainable, therefore it is of no use for me any longer. You can also phone me: (intl. code)+27835038544

-- Daniel Erasmus (erafrica@erafrica.co.za), August 16, 2002.

Your old memory rifle have a plastic stock and forearm? That's what I've been searching for over several months now. Stevens model 22- 410. Need a replacement stock. Bagged my first rooster back in the early 60s in Nebraska with it. The legal limit one year was 5 roosters and two hens daily. Given to me by my grandfather. WOuld appreciate any hints on where to look next. Thanks

-- Mike Darbro (mldarbro@hamilton.net), September 05, 2002.

I own a Savage Arms 1923 .22/.410 with scope all in very good condition. open to offers...

-- Valen Asher (vasher@qcislands.net), September 18, 2002.

The savage model you are looking for is a model 24 22/.410 over under single shot. I have one and love it, paid 150.00 for 2 yearss ago

-- RB - Canada (myvette90@hotmail.com), September 19, 2002.

I have the model 24 .22/.410 and LOVE it... Didn't Savage make a .3030/20 ga or something like it? I'd like something similar to the .22/.410, but with a little more punch.


-- Adrienne (alquinn@tamu.edu), September 25, 2002.

I own a 410/22 over under and love it, it works great and it has bever failed me. If u contact me I could definatly find one for you.

-- Ted L (trickster2000@aol.com), October 16, 2002.

I've got one. What is your offer ?

-- Phil C. (pacmkc@yahoo.com), October 26, 2002.

I just found the Savage 22-410 that was mine when I was a kid. My dad still had it stored away. Looks like it was well stored for the last 35 yrs or so because there does not appear to be any rust. I'll start cleaning etc. tomarrow. Seems like the 22 extractor does not work. The spring is OK because it raises but, when I loaded a 22LR it dropped all the way in to the chamber and was not caught on the extractor. Looks like a lot of play in the extractor causing the rim to miss it. Any thoughts on what to do? This gun is sentimental so I do not want to sell it.

-- Pat (pmalie@msn.com), November 17, 2002.

So many persons answered your enquirey I'll feed them another if you don't mind? when was the .22/410 put into production and when was it discontinued? I have checked the Savage.com site and they have nothting telling about the "old" guns. To caught up in the new I think. Except for the "99" I have one which was my fathers. He received it when he was 14 which would have been 1945. It's probably had a thousand rounds through it over my life and still looks and acts new. thanks for the help ahead of time. R Bruce

-- robert bruce (bruceclan@sbcglobal.net), November 18, 2002.

I too am looking for a Savage over/under 22/410 because mine was stolen from my fathers house 4 years ago. Shoot me an e-mail and I will make someone an offer! Mick

-- Michael S. Taylor (lmt0202@aol.com), December 12, 2002.

In 1946 my Dad bought me my first gun, a Stevens model 22-410 over and under. It had a plastic stock and forearm. I lost the gun in the late 1950's but 2 years ago I discovered a nephew had it and I immediately traded him his great-grandfathers double barrel shotgun for the over and under. I am keeping it for now, but if my grandchildren don't want it I may sell in a few years. The plastic stock has a few scratches but it is in beautiful shape for it's age.

-- Gerry Lang (langs@cox-internet.com), December 15, 2002.

Just inherited a Savage 22-410 from my father today and was doing some research on the net. Thanks for all the info your email created and if anyone else knows where to get more information please shoot me an email.

-- James (jdeaven@sbcglobal.net), December 16, 2002.

I inherited my fathers Savage 22-410. I remember shooting this gun in the early 50's. It is in excellent cond. with a checkered walnut stock and it is nickle plated. I've never seen another one like it. Does anyone have an idea of its value as its not listed in any publication that I have seen. I did talk to a gun historian that said he was sure this was one of a limited run that was presented to V.I.P.'s in the 40's. and the value was considerable but I dont know how reliable this info. is. Any feedback appreciated.

-- larry smith (norwood410@aol.com), December 24, 2002.

I also just inherited a Stevens 22-410 over/under with plastic stock and forearm from my father in-law. It is still in fairly good shape but I think it needs a good look over by a gunsmith.

-- Chris Puckett (cpuckett5@carolina.rr.com), December 26, 2002.

i have a 22/410 savage with wooden stock my dad had it when he was a kid in the 50s would like to know the value if anyone can help please e mail

-- eric harvison (www.ericthebest13@aol.com), December 27, 2002.

I have a Savage 22/20 gauge in absolutely mint condition. Even the soft case in which it comes is still in excellent condition. I don't have any use for it because I don't camp much anymore, so I would be glad to discuss selling it. Drop me an e-mail if you are interested and we can at least chat about it.

-- Robert C. Reinehr (reinehr@thegateway.net), December 27, 2002.

I was just given an older 22-410 on Christmas from my moms boyfriend. I cleaned it up today and shot a couple of rounds through it. Nice gun :) It is in excellent shape and the cloth case is in great shape as well! Good luck, I know you will find one out there :)

-- Chris Mangano (vamangano@yahoo.com), December 27, 2002.

I have a Stevens 22-410 Over & Under that I would love to sell. Please give me your best price. If you would like for me to send some pictures of it, please let me know.

Thanks, Gregg R. Winchester, VA gtrodgers17@aol.com

-- Gregg Rodgers (gtrodgers17@aol.com), January 09, 2003.

Sue, do you know if the 22-410 over/under was a 22 Mag. on top? - I'm just starting to look for one myself..Dan from Michigan

-- Dan Collard II (dpcollardii@yahoo.com), January 10, 2003.

I'm looking for a 410/22 for myself for squirrel hunting. does anyone have one for sale. Must be in excellent cond. Please contact me asap. thanks.

-- Troy Lamy (sales@celtronics.net), January 13, 2003.

I have a Stevens 22/410 over under for sale. It's been in my posession since 1950's when I was a kid in Pittsburgh. Wood stock is original, not fired in probably 20 years, Overall, in good condition.

Best offer gets it (and pays shipping from DC metro area)

-- Ron Petrie (rapetrie@msn.com), January 20, 2003.

I too, like my brethren in this post, am looking for a Savage 410/22. I am about to turn 40, and the last time I shot mine I was 15 or 16. I believe mine ended up in my stepfather's hands and was sold, traded, etc. I had relatively severe problems walking as a child (surgery fixes so much these days) and remember the Savage as a delightful firearm that was light and agile. I am looking for a good, clean gun similar to what I had in the late 70's. I am willing to pay a reasonable price to restore part of my kid-dom. If anyone has one of these guns they are willing to sell, I would be very keen to receive your email.

-- Bill Freeman (wjf@bellsouth.net), January 22, 2003.

I have one that I paid $300[cdn].I won it on www.gunscanada.com.It was in excellent shape.I like to use it for skeet shooting.Here's a couple of web sites: ellwoodeppssporting goods.com auction arms.com gunsamerica.com That's about all I know to find one.They are called Savage Model 24.They come in different combos. 22/410 ,22mag/410, 22/20 ga.,30- 30/12ga. etc.Hope this helps.

-- Terry Holloway (saltbeefjunky2003@yahoo.ca), January 29, 2003.

there are loads of them in new nealand.

-- wayne (c10l@clear.net.nz), February 02, 2003.

If anybody has one to sell let me know. I am willing to make an offer.

-- dan guite (danguite@possmann.com), February 16, 2003.

I would like to buy a savage model 24- 222 over 20 ga. Anyone has one Email me please. Darin

-- Darin Broderick (p.broderick@att.net), February 24, 2003.

I have a Stevens model 22-410 over and under that I am interested in selling. It has a plastic stock and forearm but am not exactly sure what year it was made. I recieved it as a gift about a year or two ago and am in need of money. If anyone is interested please email me and make an offer. Pictures are availible if needed. Im located in Long Island, Ny. Thank You Very Much

-- Rafael Gautier (Nst614@aol.com), March 03, 2003.

Sue...There is a Savage/Stevens Model .22-.410 up for auction at Gunbroker.com right now...Item #7784433.

-- Stan Boutwell (capnpowderfresh@hotmail.com), March 08, 2003.

I was just given a stevens 410-22 for my birthday. But, I havent been able to shoot it yet, but from what I have read on this site I should hurry up and test it out.

-- Michael Scott (Mike41022@aol.com), March 13, 2003.

I also own one from the early fifties. shoots a little high and left. I've found that with all the pieces they typically go for $150 in just about any condition. I live in vermont so there are quite a few of em around but like all you have noticed most people myself included don't want to give them up. With something like that I've found $20 and a request to call you first if one comes in can work wonders at the local gunshop. I would love to get the 30-30/12 gauge model if anyone has that type for sale please drop me an e mail. all reasonable prices considered.

-- mike hunt (rowdy_yates@emailaccount.com), April 08, 2003.

Regarding the Stevens 410/22, I have one, but since it is one of the most versitle guns I own, I would be hard pressed to let go of it. My dad used it for years for squirell, rabbits, etc. and when he was 90 he gave it to me. It is one of the handiest guns to have around a campsite. Hope everyone that is looking for one can find one. It is just a great little gun. I have seen them priced from $150 to $350, so that might give someone an idea of how much to pay.

-- alvin J. Hons (alhons@aol.com), April 23, 2003.

I visited the Ellwoodepps.com site today, found a 410/22, and called them to latch it down. Only trouble will be getting the paperwork rounded up to import the thing. Thanks for the tip guys!

-- Bill Freeman (wjf@bellsouth.net), April 26, 2003.

I have a nice Stevens (Savage Arms) 22-410 for sale. Price is $200 firm. I live in the Harrisburg area of Pennsylvaina. If anyone is interested in photos, etc, please contact me at: valkyriebob7454@yahoo.com

Serious bids only please. No "dickering".



-- Robert Hartley (valkyriebob7454@yahoo.com), April 28, 2003.

I am looking for stock set for stevens 22-410. I don't care if it is wook or not.

-- carl j. still (carl.cjs2@verizon.net), April 28, 2003.

This is getting away from the 410/22 (already have one of them) but I also came across a Sheridan 22 cal. rimfire. Anyone out there know anything about this little pistol. It is single shot. Went to Sheridan firearms on the internet, but all they have is info on air guns. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

-- Alvin J. Hons (alhons@aol.com), May 02, 2003.

I can't believe the response you got. I learned to shoot with one and when they sold the ranch who knows where that gun is. I've been looking for one for years. I just saw one today at the gun exchange in San Jose, CA. for $275 but was in pretty bad shape. If anyone has one for sale please e-mail

-- Joe (joe@gagliardiproperties.com), May 02, 2003.

I was given a Model 24 .22/.410 with wood stock in 1961. In 1973 it was lost between a sporting goods store in Idaho Falls and a gunsmith in Boise. It was being sent for repair of a swollen area about one inch back from the muzzle of the .22 barrel.

I would really like to get another in the same version if possible.

-- Jim Bowles (macdrummer1@mac.com), May 05, 2003.

I have a Stevens Mod. 24 22 over .410 excellent condition. Best one made as far as I am concerned. Offers?

-- Wade (wasu3@shaw.ca), May 15, 2003.

i had a 22-410 when i was a teen back in the 60s. it had a black plastic stock. wish i had never let it go. now i cant find one anywhere. i dont know who made it. one thing about the gun is i can borrow it anytime. its in the family,but not my hand.kernel

-- kernel haywood (kernelh@bcsnet.net), May 25, 2003.

I am very interested in purchasing a Savage Model 24 in 20 or 410 gauge for my son. It would be wonderful for him to start small gaming w/. I've had trouble finding one. Email me if anyone is selling one ..please !!! i have a dealer w/ an FFL who it can be shipped to !

-- John (ex863a@optonline.net), May 31, 2003.


I've seen the Stevens 22/410 wooden stock over/under shotguns quite often at estate (auction) sales in my home state of Michigan. I think the Savage 22/410 has the plastic stock as J Stevens was eventually boughten out by the Savage arms company earlier in the 20th century. My advice would be look in your local paper for Auction sales, and check your local gun shows, they are around.


-- Scott D. Askegard (saskegard@aol.com), June 01, 2003.

I am willing to make a offer to any who would sell me a cheap .20/.22 over-and-under shotgun.

-- geoff newland (geoff@wcoil.com), July 23, 2003.

You people who see these for $150 routinely ought to snap them up. In my area (NC), prices for a decent Savage 24 or Stevens .22-410 (same gun, basically, under different names - Savage bought Stevens) start at $250 and they get that easily.

That being said, I have a VERY early (1920s, most likely, when they first started making these) Stevens .22-410 with wood stock and fixed V-notch rear sight for sale. Both bores are excellent. The wood is solid with a few minor dings and the blue has turned to a patina on much of the gun. Still, it is a nice piece and still functional. I was planning on taking it to a gunshow in a couple weeks, but if someone here wants it, the price is $250 plus shipping to your FFL. If you have a Curio and Relics FFL, these qualify for that. If you live in North Carolina, we may be able to meet up and save the FFL cost. This is a MUCH harder to find gun than the later ones with the tenite (plastic) stocks and adjustable rear sight.

Many people collect these guns now. That is why the prices have gone up so dramatically in the last few years and why these early guns are getting harder and harder to find.


-- Steve (cubrock@netzero.net), July 29, 2003.

well it's september and i'm looking for an original stevens 410 over and under,I just found the sight and no bodys responded since june

-- john m. howard (mikmarjonp@comcast.net), September 12, 2003.

that's stupid no? ebays selling all sorts of stuff dangerous for the mind but they won't sell guns

رنزلاكم اسفاك اردن كضاكٍل - *urdu language*

-- Your Full Name (Your Email Address@greenspun.com), September 14, 2003.

I am also looking for an older Savage 22-410 over/under. I still have the one my father gave me as a kid. I now have two children that are ready to start hunting and still have on 1 22-410 (the one my father gave me). Any help would be appreciated.

-- Tim Hellebusch (hellet@socket.net), November 25, 2003.

Im displeased to hear that you've lost or misplaced the first ownership of said firearm. I personaly own one willed by my grandfather. All I have to say is good luck. HAPPY HUNTING

-- Robert E. Roberson (roberson1968@yahoo.com), December 01, 2003.

Baikal is marketing a line of combination guns that includes a rimfire/410. They also have bigger calibers/gauges. Check their website: http://www.eaacorp.com/firearms/longguns//overunder/huntingcombo/izh94 410t.shtml I havent been able to find one for sale yet, they were only recently introduced, but the retail is $199. I've heard goog things about the centerfire versions of this gun, generally along the lines that they are good utility guns- servicable but not necessarily beautiful. You can also check www.gunbroker.com -Eric

-- Eric F (efuss@pitt.edu), December 01, 2003.

I have a Savage model 24 22-20 gauge I am willing to sell. The gun is in great shape, but I really have no use for it. Stock is wood, not plastic. Not sure what it is worth, make an offer.

-- Shawn Pyle (spyle_178@hotmail.com), December 05, 2003.

Hello folks, just found this web site and was reading through the posts. I have a very functional .410/.22 I want to keep for my grandson, but it has a damaged rear butt stock. It is tenite, I believe thaty is the right spelling. Any information about finding parts, or if someone has a whole gun for sale, I would love to hear from them. Thanks.

-- Tim Hawk (stevens@usa-hawk.com), December 08, 2003.

I have tried to email Shawn Pyle above but the email address does not work. If you still want to sell it send me an email.

-- gene graham (gene@midsouth.rr.com), December 08, 2003.

I have a savage model 24, 410/22 over-under. i am considering selling it, i am looking into it's worth. If someone is very interested, let me know. Thanks!

-- bruce sherd (bambamandpebbles01@yahoo.com), December 14, 2003.

I wanted to add that my model 24 410/22 over-under is a 22 mag on top and has a small compass in the wood stock, if that helps, i'm still trying to determine it's age.

-- bruce sherd (bambamandpebbles01@yahoo.com), December 14, 2003.

I am interested in purchasing one of these guns. If anyone has one for sale email me. Make sure gun is in the subject so I dont delete it accidently.

-- Gene Graham (gene@midsouth.rr.com), December 21, 2003.

Are you still looking for a Savag 22- 410?

-- Jay Atherton (JayAtherton@hotmai.com), January 12, 2004.

I would like to get a good 22/410 - Please contact me or tell me where to look. I live In Iowa USA. Thamx...........Ron

-- Ron Petersen (randmpete@earthlink.net), January 13, 2004.

The 22/410 that I had has been sold

-- RP (rapetrie@msn.com), January 13, 2004.

Anyone know were i can get a new extractor for a 22 barrel, on a 22/410. Or maybe someone has a idea on how to fix the extractor, it seems loose in the hole a sticks out to far.

-- Randy Sundquist (randy1128@webtv.net), January 18, 2004.

I am looking for a Savage Model 24 over and under either in 22/410 or 22Mag/410.

-- Mike Krieg (mikeandjeankrieg@direcway.com), January 25, 2004.

I have a savage 22/410 over and under model 24 owned by my grandfather ive had it for 17 years never shot it just had it in a collection of other guns taking offers

-- Kheli Chaney (Kheli77 @aol.com), January 26, 2004.

I have a savage 22/410 over and under model 24 owned by my grandfather ive had it for 17 years never shot it just had it in a collection of other guns taking offers please add gun as subject to e-mails or I wont answer

-- Kheli Chaney (Kheli77 @aol.com), January 26, 2004.

I have a Stevens Model 22-410 for sale in Austin, TX. Make an offer. Hopefully, will sell this week.

-- Michael S. Rinebold (mrinebold@yahoo.com), January 26, 2004.

I am desperately looking for a savage 410/22 overunder with a woodstock. It needs to be in fairly good condition. I am really serious so please send me an email with your offer.

-- Stephen Oberle (hockeystud_2002@hotmail.com), February 04, 2004.

My father and I were talking about his .410 / .22 over-and-under last night. It's a plastic stock version in excellent condition. He "liberated" it from a US Army Air Forces aircraft survival kit during WWII. He's been offered $250 for it, and I'm just researching to see if that's a good price. Any information would be helpful.

Dan Hollenbaugh

-- Dan (hollenbaugh@mindspring.com), March 02, 2004.

I am looking to purchase a Savage 22-410 in excellent condition. I would prefer that it would have a family history of putting food on the table. I would like to make it part of my family history. A 20 gauge as the bottom barrel would be ok, too. I live in Kentucky. Put Savage in the subject line so I don't delete it.

-- gary calery (gcalery@logantele.com), March 12, 2004.

also looking for a 22/410...my son is interested in one...he found that Springfield is making one now...more at a survival weapon..not conventional..I would prefer a standard appearing gun...wood stock...synthetic ok..but not a fold-up-put-in-the-back-pack type...we live in louisiana

-- Jeff Bertrand (jeffrey_bertrand@hotmail.com), March 24, 2004.

wanted, savege model 24 .22/410 .22 mag/410 wood stock in good shape. willing to pay fair market value, or even a little better for the right piece.

TrevorSpeirs Winnipeg Manitoba

-- Trevor Speirs (ttspeirs@hotmail.com), March 24, 2004.

Had a beautiful 410-22 over and under in the 70's ---------dumb to sell it but I did.----------wish I had it back-------looking for another one.-----------lots of luck

-- Donald J. Bojanek (ClaritaDon@aol.com), March 25, 2004.

I need a replacement stock for my 22-410. I have my Dads old 22-410 and the "tenite" stock is broken. I would like to replace it as original as possible but am having difficulty finding a source. It's always been a great little gun and has a lot of sentimental value to me. Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Frank L. Dorsel III

-- Frank L. Dorsel III (FDORSEL@kc.rr.com), March 28, 2004.

I have a Stevens Mod 22/410 for sale it needs some work., but it still shoots. I live in N.H.

-- James Le Clair (thedrummajor@juno.com), April 02, 2004.

HI, I just inherited a stevens 22/410 in really good shape. My greatgrand parents just recently passed away and I recieved all the guns over 30 of them that no one ever new about untill i dicovered them in one of my greatgrandpa's old body shops celler. Im still going thourgh them but I found this little one that stuck out because it didnt fit in with any of the others which was this 22/410 with all wood and works fine since i fired it today but i need any information on this gun please help..... Oh yea my grandparent often told stories of how my greatgrandpa worked and lived in chicago most of his life..which i think might explain the tommy guns but please send any info...thanx

-- Eric (chudman89@hotmail.com), April 10, 2004.

I have a 22/410 in like brand new condition. Email me and we can talk. Thanks Jim

-- Jim Wiebe (wiebe@milaca.net), May 10, 2004.

i have 2 savage model 24...one is 410/22 wood stock welded barrels ..the other is a 22/20ga. can e-mail fotos. would be willing to sell or trade for a nice 16ga or 12 ga over/under shotgun

-- lance smith (lancesmith@myway.com), May 27, 2004.

I dont have an answer but a question i didnt know how to post to this board. I had seen a 22/410 steel rifle that is marked by the usaf and manufactored by Ithaca who was in Ithaca,NY. Does any one have info on this, id love to hear about it

-- keith (drspa12000@yahoo.com), June 10, 2004.

HI, I have a Savage model 24J DL with .22 lr over 20 gauge. Gun is in 90+% condition, with satin receiver. Am open to offers.

-- John W. (whollysheet@hotmail.com), June 26, 2004.

I have a savage 410/22 over and under it has sketchings of a fox on oneside of barrel and a pheasant on the other in pretty good condition I would be willing to sell for the right price. Thanks

-- Brian Waller (brwall03@aol.com), August 05, 2004.

Hi...a friend of mine has a Savage 22/410 that they would like to sell. They are asking $450.00, or best offer. If interested, I can email pictures, and more info on it. My email is mikropp@aol.com. Thanks, Maggie

-- maggie kropp (mikropp@aol.com), August 15, 2004.

SORRY, this is the correct email address! maggiek413@aol.com :)

-- maggie kropp (maggiek413@aol.com), August 15, 2004.

Yeah, I have one of the 22/410 that Savage made, but not for sale. I am looking for one of the deluxe model with the nickel receiver, gold trigger and deluxe walnut stock. Any caliber/gage combination. Anyone out there have one for sale?

-- BRAD SANDERSON (sandersb@emh2.tooele.army.mil), August 19, 2004.

I have a very nice Savage .222-20 series c mi with a Gibson's 3x9 scope mounted. beutiful wood stock and bronze looking reciever. Make offer this is a military issue very rare I have been told. This is not a 22 it is a .222 center fire. I am located in Texas

-- skip (skipyoungblood@direcway.com), August 28, 2004.

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