Does Anyone Really Believe?

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You can't seriously tell me you people believe in god and christ. Religion was created to explain things that science couldn't. Science can explain things now, so religion is kind of silly. And of all the things christianity has done (Crusades, wholsale murder, Condeming scientists to death) i can't seriously believe you people. Karl Marx said "Religion is opium for the masses."

-- Michael (milynch@sbch.chspo), February 21, 2002

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Don't EVER...compare Christianity with Catholicism. The false "church" is the one culpable for the crusades and condemning "heretics" to death.

Difference between black and white.

-- (I@sure.do), February 21, 2002.


Well, Michael, I can certainly say I believe, because I was born from above by the Spirit and became a new creature in Christ. Old things were passed away; behold, all things became new!

Formerly, I was an unbeliever, and in fact, came from a 'devout agnostic' home.

I believed things were good and getting better; I believed that scientists and doctors knew virtually everything. How wrong I was!

I pray that you will personally meet my Savior and Lord someday.

He is gentle and kind and full of Grace and Truth.

I will believe Him any day over the 'wise men' of this world.

P.S.

Don't wait too long. "Now is the day of salvation; now is the accepted time".

Blessings,

-- Connie (hive827@cs.com), February 21, 2002.


You can't seriously tell me you people believe in god and christ.

Why not?

Religion was created to explain things that science couldn't.

You offer no argument for this, you simply state it as fact and hope we'll agree... well, I don't think it's nescessary to agree with this statement.

Science can explain things now, so religion is kind of silly.

Science and Religion are two different tools for knowing things about reality. Science doesn't touch anything beyond the material universe. The two aren't in conflict.

And of all the things christianity has done (Crusades, wholsale murder, Condeming scientists to death) i can't seriously believe you people.

So we shouldn't be Christians -- even if we have reasons for believing Christianity is true -- just because we don't want to be assosciated with some naughty psuedo-Christians? Hitler was a vegetarian, does that mean it's a shame to believe it's wrong to eat animals?

Karl Marx said "Religion is opium for the masses."

Yeah, well, now a'days Opium is the opium of the masses.

-- Magnus (Hamster@California.com), February 22, 2002.


Science and Religion are two different tools for knowing things about reality. Science doesn't touch anything beyond the material universe. The two aren't in conflict.

The two ARE in conflict, as religion does try to explain things about the material universe that science explains.

Michael's points are very valid. Humanity has been using religion as a crutch for its weaker members, and as a rational for behavior that would otherwise be unaceptable. It's time to cast all religions off.

-- Bob (robert@scmsi.mit.cse.edu), February 24, 2002.


The modern scientific method was invented by Christians.

The Bible says that God is testified to by nature. And if you study the history of science, you will see that many Christians were the predominant early scientists of the modern era, all studying science in order to better understand God. Modern science owes its existence to Christianity.

BTW, modern science in the last few decades has begun to testify to the existence of an intelligent designer. Evolution theory's holes are growing wider and wider, while evidence of intelligent design in the order of the universe grows -- thus evidence of an intelligence behind the design.

-- PhD and I believe (Sciencecreatedbyreligion@don'tyounow.net), February 25, 2002.



Hello, PhD,

I know of Isaac Newton, but can you give us a list of some Christians who contributed to modern science?

Francis Collins of the Genome project of the National Institutes of Health is one in our present day, and Wehrner von Braun had a great influence on rocketry.

Thank You,

Blessings,

-- Connie (hive827@cs.com), February 25, 2002.


hhhmmmmmm. opium..christianity, opium..christianity, opium..christianity. no contest, I'll take the opium.

-- jz (oz49us@yahoo.com), February 25, 2002.

And you'll die in your sins.

-- Connie (hive827@cs.com), February 26, 2002.

Haven't been ignoring your question, Connie.

Breakpoint and its partner Wilberforce Forum are two places to go for your answers. I was trying to get to their websites but I have had trouble the last two days getting there -- but Breakpoint's daily transcript has been making it to me, so they are still there.

You may also want to subscribe to Breakpoint's daily transcript. Breakpoint has a weekday broadcast and you can get a transcript or listen online if a local station doesn't carry it at a convenient time for you. The website is www.breakpoint.org. The daily topic often covers issues of science and ethics.

Other resources on the true interplay of religion and science: http://www.leaderu.com/ Chuck Colson and Nancy Pearcey "How Now Shall We Live?"

It's crucial to understand that modern science that "contradicts" religion isn't faithless -- that science is indeed faith based-- it embraces the naturalistic philosophy. Evolution in of itself is a faith based.

Interesting fact: Darwin himself said that if there was no explanation of the evolution of the human eye soon forthcoming, then obviously evolution is a shame and not to be believed. Guess what? There is still no evolutionistic explanation of the human eye. Moreover, there is no solid explanation of how the first living cell emerged. Michael Behe, a then evolution theorist and molecular biologist, traced back possible structures for the first living, reproducing cell and concluded that it was so irreducibly complex that the odds are better that a tornado could assemble a working 747 out of parts laying in a junkyard than the odds that chance could spontaneously assemble proteins into a living cell. To believe in evolution -- now that is real (but unbelievably stupid) faith.

-- I believe (phd@IbelieveIbelieve.edu), February 27, 2002.


Amen.

Thank you.

Even a cup on a counter cannot come into existence without a designer.

How can our incredibly complex universe have no intelligent design?

Believing that takes real faith ~ the kind that loses one his soul.

Blessings,

-- Connie (hive827@cs.com), February 27, 2002.



"Don't EVER...compare Christianity with Catholicism. The false "church" is the one culpable for the crusades and condemning "heretics" to death.

Difference between black and white."

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You're right about that. The Puritans never condemned "heretics" to death, they just hung their own members for practicing witchcraft in Salem, Massachusetts.

(:raig

-- Craig Miller (CMiller@ssd.com), March 05, 2002.


HEY JACKOFF! Don't EVER compare religion with Christianity. What a nice comfortable opiate YOU have. Single out a religious movement, then deny God because of it.

FOOL.

-- (wise@up.ortoast), March 06, 2002.


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