Well, it isn't talk any more...the government seriously is considering the implanting of a Micro Chip in those that are in high risk occupations (nuclear power plants, etc.). They could even be modified for satillite tracking.

Today for saftey....tomarrow for the mark of the beast????? What do you think?

-- Karen (db0421@yahoo.com), February 27, 2002

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Response to Any One Concerned About This Bibilically?

Oops, my link did not work. Today it was one of the big new stories. You can check out the whole story at:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20020227/ap_on_hi_te/human_computer_chip_3

-- Karen (db0421@yahoo.com), February 27, 2002.

Response to Any One Concerned About This Bibilically?

Yes Karen this scares me (sort of). I truly believe this is the mark of the beast! People think about this BEFORE you think it's a good idea, even if you don't think it can be the mark of the beast. Do you really want the government know everything about you and to be able to keep all your data on you!

-- Jo in PA (farmerjo02@yahoo.com), February 27, 2002.

Response to Any One Concerned About This Bibilically?

Does anyone in this country see that we are loosing ALL are freedoms our forefathers fought and died for ? It's about time that we as a whole stand up to these idiots in power.

-- Patty {NY State} (fodfarms@hotmail.com), February 27, 2002.

Response to Any One Concerned About This Bibilically?

Since the question was asked about a biblical concern here comes a biblical answer. Not worrying about affend as much as warning about context.

The mark of the beast (hand/forehead) is in the Book of the Revelation Chapter 13 verses 16 & 17. Here goes my understanding.

-- Ken in Maine (Kenjan@pivot.net), February 27, 2002.

Response to Any One Concerned About This Bibilically?

Oooops hit the wrong key...

A number of folks believe that the Rapture of the church will take place before the Tribulation. This is backed up with the view that after Rev. 3:22 the church is no longer mentioned in the book. The beast (anti-Christ) shows up in Chapter thirteen verse one. I don't think that the church of born again believers will be alive during this time period. They, I believe, will have left long before this takes place. Romans 5:9 leads me to believe that God's children will not suffer His wrath.

This is my understanding and I'm sure there are many others with a differing view point, but it gives me that peace that passes all understanding.

Ken

-- Ken Spaulding (Kenjan@pivot.net), February 27, 2002.

Response to Any One Concerned About This Bibilically?

Biblically, I am not concerned about how/why this might affect or concern the average ordinary Christian who does not view the Bible the same way as the Taliban views the Koran, but as a Libertarian this DOES concern me greatly, I will vocally voice my concern to all who care to listen to me, spreading the opinion that this is one of those "things" that must be refused to comply with, even if it means civil disobedience in all it's many forms, as practiced by the late Martin Luther King.

-- Annie Miller in SE OH (annie@1st.net), February 27, 2002.

Response to Any One Concerned About This Bibilically?

Karen repost this with out the biblical wording in the heading. Many won't look otherwise and this is downright horrifying! To all walks of life! Religious or no! I would hide in the mountains and eat roots and rabbits before I would submit!

-- Novina in ND (homespun@stellarnet.com), February 27, 2002.

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Of Course this is the begining, the same thing with cloning, in 5 years it will be very simple to get your pet clone, they are working very hard to do this acceptable, we are not going to see a human cloned in our life, but our children are getting the idea, and accepting it. The same thing with a chip. There is close to a million pets in this country with chips-implants. They say if you loose "bones" you may find it very fast, thru a satellite will tell you where he is hiding. Its a very beutiful idea to have a microchip implanted and when you go to a doctor a scaner,scan you and the doctor will know all your medical problems, and more the chip will be conected to your blood stream and could give your doctor, your cholesterol level, hemoglobin levels, thyroid, and whatever the doctor would need to treat your particular condition, no more blood test! Now the scary part, he will know other things also, your political party affiliations, your income, your personal information etc. This is what the bible is telling us for the last 2000 years. I don't know but we need to start a Resistant Movement right now, Lets start writing to our senators, and so on. The mark of the beast!!!, I know some how, Bill did it!!! Ralph.

-- Ralph (rroces1@yahoo.com), February 27, 2002.

Response to Any One Concerned About This Bibilically?

Regardless of any religious conviction or not, this is a serious threat to our human rights and freedoms as US citizens.

As to the mark of the beast...I learned a long time ago that the "mark of the beast" doesn't necessarily have to be a physical thing. The jews of the OT took literally the command about binding God's law to hands and forehead and missed the point The command most likely had to do with what we do with our hands and what we think with our heads. The "mark" could very well be the same thing.

Just think about where secular humanist thinking has gotten us.

Those who work for the military are nothing more than indentured servants who agree to submit to the authority of a master for a contracted period of time. They do not have much say over what their "owners" have to do with them. If the "owners" are God fearing in the good sense, the servants have nothing to fear. If the "owners" are inclined to do what is expedient, beware.

-- LBD, Maryland (lavenderbluedilly@hotmail.com), February 27, 2002.

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Well, as an Evangelical Christian who did not intend to ever get into the religious posts on this forum....here I am with my two cents:) If it is the mark, you have to take it voluntarily. It can't be thrust upon you without your consent. BUT...as someone has already said, if you take Revelation as literally as possible, which I do, the Church is already gone when the mark comes about. Now I will go back to my corner and try to only post on homestead specific topics! I can dicuss this in person with my Church family.

-- Cara Dailey (daileyd@agalis.net), February 27, 2002.

I believe that this is setting up for the Mark of the Beast. I also believe the church will not be here when the Mark comes about. I don't feel this is the mark but it is preparing the world for the acceptance of the mark. The same thing goes for the scanning devices in the stores it is all about getting the world used to these things. One of our grocery stores has a card and if you use it they know your spending habits I was shocked when one day the slip told be how much I had saved, not just that time but since they have used the card. They already are putting chips into animals and are talking about putting them in babies. We are in the end times and all these things are making it show me the urgency of the times.

-- Irene Burt (renienorm@aol.com), February 27, 2002.

Leaving aside religious concerns this technology does concern me quite a lot.

My dog, my cow, my horse I'd like to be able to track. They're *property* and I want to be able to find it when it's lost.

My family and my self are NOT property and we will not be treated as such.

.......Alan.

-- Alan (athagan@atlantic.net), February 27, 2002.

If you look at other things it is easy to see how it can be set up so easy. Already if you don't have a drivers liscense you have such a hard time doing anything. Only a step farther to get you to comply with this system. "Need to see your D.L." How many times you heard this? Simple to change over to the chip. Worse part is 90% of the sheep americans will line up to get there chip first day! Makes it hard on us who don't want to join the crowd. Proof? Just ask the man on the street what he thinks of this? What's his answer? Huh, whats you talking about? Ask him about some trashy TV show and he may do better. Don Don

-- Don (dairyagri@yahoo.com), February 27, 2002.

I haven't given any thought to it at all! Anyway, if someone wants to put a chip in me, they have to find me first. besides, I'm so old and wrinkled that the chip would disappear!

-- Ardie/WI (ardie54965@hotmail.com), February 27, 2002.

We are already tracked...on our computers. If you have a cell phone. All your medical records and Rxs are on a data base in Atlanta (for Insurance Co. use - but I can see it in the future as a way to filter out medicaid patients with pre existing). My state, FL sells all my information from my driver's license. If you want someone's SS you can pay $30 and subscribe to a service that will do it for you (this is how skiptracers work).

Now as you walk down the street or go to the airport, your photograph will be matched and ID.

So the bigger issue is WHY would the government be so concerned about people who work at Nuclear power plants? Theft of materials? Anyone who is dealing with this kind of stuff would be smart enough to get the chip neutralized or removed. So WHAT is the real reason for the chip?

-- BC (katnip364@aol.com), February 27, 2002.

The real reason for the chip is so that they can more easily keep us under their thumbs. Same for gun control. Where a government fears the people, there is Liberty...Where the people fear the government, there is tyranny! Yes, we have been tracked for years now, but it can be worse, don't ever think it can't. We must stand now and refuse to give over any more of our freedoms and GOD GIVEN RIGHTS.

You are right about the 'Have to see your d.l.' too. All this is about a state of mind, indoctrination, in order to make us the 'sheeple' they want us to be. Question nothing, do as you are told, stand in this line, walk into this building........Our forefathers would have started another Revolution long long ago!! We need to go back and study true history. Talk to some of those dying World War 2 vets and refresh your memory of how great this country was intended to be. 'The truth shall make you free'!

-- Connie in Texas (hs300@infowars.net), February 28, 2002.

I agree with ken, makes me more addament about walking the straight and narrow path, and helping others to find it. Thanks Ken, you and I seem to be of like faiths. Praying constantly, Kristean

-- Kristean Thompson (pigalena_babe@yahoo.com), February 28, 2002.

I too believe that the rapture will take place first and it could very well happen at any moment, so be ready! I sometimes wish that the rapture would hurry and take place while my children are still young and ignorant of sin. It has often entered my mine as to what life would be like if we were left behind and had to endure the tribulations. Have you ever imagined what it would be like if you didn't accept the "mark". You wouldn't be able to go to any stores to buy anything without it or receive any kind of service no matter what. Just this last week our whole family came down with the terrible flu bug that has been going around and have had to buy cough syrups, tylenols, antibiotics, inhalers. All this medicine I felt was necessary and is something that I can't grow on my homestead, so how would I get this medicine if I have to have the mark of the beast? How would I continue to pay my land taxes and keep my property if I have to have the mark of the beast to conduct business?

The more I watch the news, the more I realize it is getting closer and closer to tribulations. Is Osama Bin Laden the antichrist? I remember studying somewhere, long time ago, that the antichrist is going to be somebody that has caused a great deal of trouble and thought to have been killed, and then when all the earth would be in great anger to each other, he would reappear. He would have a big scar on his face/body to show where he was crucified and claim that he is the real Massiah. Osama Bin Laden is missing and thought to be dead, right now. If he is the real antichrist, we might see the rapture take place anytime now before he shows back up and makes this claim.

I don't know about you people but I definitly beleive in the holy trinity and want to be raptured out in the first round.

-- r.h. in okla. (rhays@sstelco.com), March 01, 2002.

Anyone else familiar with "1984"?

Next thing you know, we'll all be eating little food ration bricks and not wondering...wait -- we're already doing that, aren't we?

If anyone ever suggests that it would be a good thing for you to have an implant so that they can identify your body should the worst happen -- I'd say it's time for a new job -- wouldn't you?

-- Tracy (trimmer31@hotmail.com), March 05, 2002.

Saw a bumper sticker today. "Looking forward to the tribulation.Then the earth will belong to the rest of us"

-- jz (oz49us@yahoo.com), March 05, 2002.