smoothing out shoulders in Alpines- what lines and bucks to use? : LUSENET : Dairygoats : One Thread

What Alpine bucks or bloodines are the best for smoothing out heavy shoulders without sacrificing good udders? Really smooth, tight shoulders are something our goats don't have yet, but after all the work on udders, I would rather have slightly lumpy shoulders than to backslide with the udders. Is there a line that offers both?

-- Rebekah (, March 14, 2002


I'll have to look in my files on genetic traits of bucks. I know one line that would, my Sweet Dream's bucks, I had to smooth out shoulders in Val, and Hawk did the job, so guess that would be coming directly from the Chatrau De Ville Gryflacon lines. Sand Dance Rico, hmmmmm I'll look in my data base.


-- Bernice (, March 14, 2002.

With the first E, V, or + on Apprisal scores being front end assembly?? Right?? And this is where lower scores are seen in Nubian for shoulders not smoothly blended in, which is the flaw, if you call a doe who classifies 90, having a flaw :) in our bloodline. So the trick would be to pick animals who carry an E throughout the bloodline for the first score?? Totally guessing here for Alpines though :) Vicki

-- Vicki McGaugh TX (, March 14, 2002.

Where do I find the scores for buck's daughters, that have all the scores, not just the four main categoreis and final score? has only the final scores, and can search for linear traits, but front end is not one of the traits available.

-- Rebekah (, March 14, 2002.

Did you try Missdees site? They have apretty comprehensive database for traits, etc. I use it now more than usda or little bunch. I will get the information to you saturday. Been busy, but I will get that to you. I think its

-- Bernice (, March 14, 2002.

I have that site in my favorites, but don't think it includes shoulders or front end either.

-- Rebekah (, March 14, 2002.

I jsut found out some information last night on what lines to use for what you need. The Le Chevier Alpines lines are noted for helping to improve this. But she is mainly French.

-- Bernice (, March 16, 2002.

Hmm, now if someone had a good buck from Le Chevrier and Sodium Oaks lines mixed, that would be ideal. Maybe I should just get a doe from them and breed her to something like that- Sasin, Royal Risk, Yreka maybe... Thanks Bernice, I will pay attention, go back and do my homework on Le Chevrier. I met that lady at the convention and she was nice enough.

-- Rebekah (, March 16, 2002.

You are so welcome Rebekah! I believe that a good cross would be something related to Sodium Oaks kiwi Mallow. She was French. I personally haven't met Chris strickland who own Le Chevier, however we have e-mailed a lot, she is really nice. Talk to her, a little birdy told me she has some awesome kids coming this yr since her older does, around 13 yrs somehow got bred. I understand these does ahve excellent lines.

-- Bernice (, March 17, 2002.

The Meadowbrook-Farm herd of Latrobe, PA has spent over 20 years refining there lines, to improve front ends. Unfortunatly they have recently sold out. Meadowbrook-Farm Classic (GCH ++*B Kara Kahl Absolute EX 91 EVE, CH Meadowbrook-Farm Chloe) has been sold to Diane Kirshe and Wayne Cullen of Cherry Glen. I was able to see Chloe she was a very large doe, that was so perfect in her front end! Her mammary did not lack at all!!! She really was a excellent doe! I have one doe to freshen to him, I will post and tell you what he did.

-- Jeremy Elliott-Engel (, March 06, 2004.

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