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A guy I know is now a "Master Mason". What level is this? What does it mean?? Is there any kind of site the delineates all the levels? It creeps me out....guess that it's time to become truly conversant about it....ugh. Thanks!
-- Doreen (email@example.com), March 25, 2002
It is a "secret order" and the progressions are not privilaged to outsiders.
-- Jay Blair in N. AL (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 25, 2002.
A Master Mason is only a 3rd degree Mason, blue lodge, so this guy is just a pup. From my understanding, they are not fully "illuminated" as to who they are serving until the are 30th degree Masons. By the way, most of our presidents have been 33rd degree Masons.
We haven't explored this website yet.
Hardtruth had an online book, America's Subversion, The Enemy Within by Sonny Rene' Stermole, that we printed out, then the website was pulled down. In my search engine, I got a few hits on this book title, but the sites were taken down and one was in a foreign language.
I wil have Dear Spouse write to you tomorrow. He knows so much more about this subject as his family was heavily involved.
-- Laura (LadybugWrangler@somewhere.com), March 25, 2002.
Thanks. My family on one side was allllll into it. As a matter of fact my great grandfather wrote the bylaws and some other stuff for Kenucky Indiana and Tennessee. But I don't really wantt to bother my Dad about all this again. I have a bad habit of making up my mind about something and not filing all the info into the permanent file unless it is something I use regularly. Like I need a brief refresher to bring it back into the proper spot in my brain. Auuuggh. Glad to hear he's a pup. I want to get him some literature that may help.
-- Doreen (email@example.com), March 26, 2002.
Keep in mind your dealing with a fraternal orginization that helps groom many community leaders. Odds are you will have very little effect on his decision. Its always been one of the adults "boys clubs" and the mystique is euphoric to them. He'll get to "creeping you out" less, because if he has made you this aware , he has made others just as aware and his sponsors will tone him down.
-- Jay Blair in N. AL (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 26, 2002.
Hey Sis! I won't comment except to mention a book written by a former mason. "En Route to Global Occupation" by Gary Kah. Available in most Christian Book stores. old hoot. Matt.24:44
-- old hoot gibson (email@example.com), March 26, 2002.
I come from a long line of mason's ..... 6th generation. and 4th generation Eastern star. I am not a member of eastern star.... But I do know they are a very secretive group and will not give out such info. I also believe it is wrong to delve into their buisness. I personally believe this organization to be a cult, but I also believe if they wanna be , let em'..........
-- Kristean Thompson (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 26, 2002.
Well, I also believe they are a cult and they are the cult that groom the men in the shadows. However, I disagree with leaving them alone. Infiltrate them, expose them, roll over all their dirty little rocks and lets see what crawls out. Than will decice if we shall leave them alone or open fire !
-- Joel Rosen (JoelnBecky@webtv.net), March 26, 2002.
There's a book written by someone other than the one mentioned above, don't know who, but he's a hunted man. CBN did a piece on the masons a few years ago, exposed some interesting stuff.
-- Cindy (S.E.IN) (email@example.com), March 26, 2002.
-- Laura (LadybugWrangler@somewhere.com), March 26, 2002.
Many long years ago, before my dear departed husband decided he wanted a divorce to "find himself", he once thought he wanted to become a Mason. One of the neighbors came over and they would sit outside and he was coached on the different aspects of being a Mason. He had a book the neighbor had given him and told him not to let anyone else read it. He left it home while he was out of town for a week, and I read part of it, or attempted to read part of it in between cleaning up after 3 kids with stomach flu. Anyway, it seemed strange to me, and the parts I read didn't really seem to be all that terribly dark and mysterious to me. When he went to his initiation, he came back home looking sick and shaken. I asked him what happened, and he said he didn't want to talk about it, but that he was NOT a Mason. The neighbor's wife had been a good Avon customer, but she never bought another thing from me and they were civil, but unfriendly after that. As for the book, the great, secretive, let-no- one-else-see-it book was sitting on the shelf on the Henderson County Library for anyone who wanted it to check out and read. I think that if there really is anything all that dark and sinister about the group, they would surely have sense enough to not write it down. I also know that one of our neighbors here where I grew up was a 33 degree Mason, and one of my grand uncles was also a 33 degree Mason, and they were good men, active in their churches and their communities, and among the first to help whenever there was sickness or death.
-- Green (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 27, 2002.
A master mason is a guy who can lay brick far better than your average mason.
Seriously, my Dad was a mason. Never spoke much about it. I always thought of it as a greek fraternity for adults. Lots of secret rites and things to make it cool. He joined after the war (II). I don't think he participated or ever attended meetings during my lifetime. When my brother first became a Christian he barged into my parent's bedroom one night and told my Dad he was going to hell, etc., because he was or had been a mason. I think he'd heard a compelling sermon on the subject. I don't thing masonry made him more likely to be profane anymore than being a Baptist deacon would guarantee his entry into heaven.
-- charles (email@example.com), March 27, 2002.
My Dad was a mason, too. Not a very good one. He told me that the oath that is taken upon initiation requires you to beg for the illumination of free masonry, they draw blood, and you have to swear that you will keep the secrets or kill your family and be buried in sand to the neck at high tide. Then years after he had stopped going they called him to inquire about his lack of participation and gave him all kinds of threats. He asked what he had to do ameliorate the situation and they said he had to pay his dues. He laughed at them and hung up. He's still alive!!!
My uncle was 33rd degree, my great uncle was 33rd, my geat grandfather was 33rd, and a number of my other ancesters were that high. Read what Pike had to say. I don't think all these people are evil, I do think they are deluded.
I just want to be able to give this guy some literature and let him study it out for himself. He's one of the nicest guys you could ever meet.
-- Doreen (firstname.lastname@example.org), March 27, 2002.
Have several masons and eastern stars in our family. For good info, check out:
As mentioned elsewhere, check out the publications from Chick, and "Freemasonry and its Ancient Mystic Rites" by C.W. Leadbeater.
-- Eric in TN (email@example.com), March 27, 2002.