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Has anybody else heard about this today? The woman would lose vistation rights if she smokes while he's there visting. Is this what we are coming too?

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-- TomK(mich) (, March 26, 2002


There is documented proof that second-hand smoke causes respiratory problems, and that it has killed. I know that when my friend's kids visit for the summer (he doesn't smoke), they spend two weeks solid coughing up all the stuff in their lungs from their mother smoking around them.

It would not be a bad thing for her to use this as a reason to quit herself.

-- GT (, March 26, 2002.

Bunch of Nazi morons running everything. The cops leave a 9 year old to hawk his mother's porno videos and this mom can't have visitation if she smokes??Sheesh. Now, let's get into outgassing of carpets and paint and the cathode ray nipple mind control device otherwise known as the boob tube and then we will see some child abuse. It's second hand stupidity that kills more than smoke.

-- Doreen (, March 26, 2002.

Hey Doreen, don't hold back. What about potato chip eating?

-- charles (, March 27, 2002.

Can she amoke outside? Many people I know who smoke do this just out of respect for their children's health. Since smoking is related to premature birth, increased asthma, higher incidence of ear infections, and increase in number of illnesses the child has in the first year of life, seems to me that any parent would want to do the best they could for the child. I have always thought it was a form of 'child-abuse' to smoke in the house with children present.

Of course it is a personal choice, but when it affects other people... I don't know anyone who smokes who wants their child to when they grow up. So why make them smoke when they are small??

-- just another opinion (, March 27, 2002.

I know, cr. "So how do you really feel?" is often asked:).

I am not saying it is good, but man oh man, please. We have lots more to worry about, and most parents don't want their kids to smoke and try to not blow it in their faces and all that. It's just crazy that they can take them to MacDonald's and be looked upon as a good parent and be threatened with no visitation over smoking. Sorry for losing it a bit...:)

-- Doreen (, March 27, 2002.

What this starts is you come before a judge seking vistation and the judge sees that you have been caught speeding a couple of times with your kids in the car,UH OH! sorry but you drive fast and no vistation.

or how about your seeking vistation and it comes out that you have let them watch on occasion some R rated movies,UH OH! sorry no vistation. And on and on and on.


-- TomK(mich) (, March 27, 2002.

Tom, in your first example, speeding, one could quite easily make an argument for child endangerment.

In the case of the R-rated movies, you might have to take those on a case-by-case basis, as movies are not rated R for example just for sex scenes. It could be other adult subject matter that is simply adult, such as a film about the Holocaust.

-- GT (, March 27, 2002.

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