First public meeting of the NEW Board

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The real WINNERS came to light last night at the first meeting of the NEW Board held at Calusa School -- it's the ATTORNEYS !!! The attorneys love all this dissention (the Hatfields and the McCoys) and the new Board clearly showed they have no intention of uniting our neighborhood. The new Board said that their contact with the ATTORNEYS is privileged and confidential due to possible/pending litigation. The NEW Board refused to read aloud or make open for Homeowner review and inspection the correspondence that the NEW Board has already had with the ATTORNEYS.
Is this how you want our Homeowner's Association fees spent? Lining the pockets of the ATTORNEYS who will continue to churn this matter up to generate MORE ATTORNEYS fees. Believe me, I know how it works - - I worked for ATTORNEYS for 15 years…
I think we can all agree that the mailbox debacle could have been handled better. But it's time to move on. Remember the Presidential election -- for the good of the country we had to move on and accept the election results -- butterfly ballot and all. WELL, Pheasant Walk needs to move on. Over 350 homeowners have paid for the mailboxes, the money has been paid to the manufacturer and the mailboxes will be delivered in a few weeks. The NEW Board needs to make it clear to ALL homeowners that if people want to pay the lower price of $137.00 and receive a $37.00 credit on their 2003 Association fees (net cost of $100 for the mailbox) then they need to purchase the mailbox by the deadline of April 30th. The people who do not purchase the mailbox by April 30th will end up paying more later, having relied on inaccurate, conflicting and misleading information disseminated by the NEW BOARD during the election process. What the NEW BOARD really seems to be afraid of is that the people who do not purchase a mailbox by the April 30th date will sue them.
Do you really want this NEW BOARD spending OUR Association / Homeowners money for ATTORNEYS fees???? Some of the Attorneys fees will probably relate to the actions of the NEW BOARD members conducted prior to the election when they were acting as individuals, not as elected board members -- does this seem prudent?
The new mailboxes are going in right, wrong or indifferent. The only issue is -- do you want to pay less for them by April 30th -- or pay more after April 30th? It really is a no brainer…

Bonnie Weldon
15 year resident of Pheasant Walk

-- Bonnie (cledwyn.boca-raton@att.net), April 11, 2002

Answers

Bonnie, I'll answer the other items later.

I continue to be amazed at the time and energy that people are putting into this cause. Don't these people (on both sides of the fence) have jobs, families, lives, pets, something in their life more important than mailboxes and putting the screws to the old board?

These folks spent almost half of our budget on something that a minority of folks wanted. $154,000! ==($20K + $41K + (700 * $137))

The first survey was poorly written and failed to say:
WE're gonna be spending your money what do want.
It said we're thinking about this, what would you like?
So only 111 people replied and a MAJORITY of 4 said no.
In a newsletter it was implied that it was an even split.


The second survey done by Mr. Schwartz
Where over 64% said no thanks.
80% of the communtiy were polled and of the 80% said nope
The Third Survey were folks were coheresed into sending money.
Only 201 did so by 15MArch
and 299 by the Meeting on 23March.

If anyone was screwed it was YOU and me, too.

By the way, it has been suggested that perhaps the newer sections should withdraw from the Pheasant Walk HOA altogether. It's clear that the fundamental views on home ownership and maintenance in the older sections differ greatly from those of the owners in the newer sections who paid vastly more for their property. There are many homeowners in the older sections who paid $60,000 for their homes and that is a whole different mind set than people who have recently paid $329,000.00. Just another option.

The world is full of options.

Best regards,

Bonnie Weldon

But this one really makes me wonder.
Some folks paid $60k for their homes while some other have paid $330k?
What is the address of the folks who paid $330k
I will look that up on the county's tax database.

Folks paid $60K for their house 20+ years ago,
my parent's paid $16k for their's, and sold it 20 years later for about $110K.
You're mixing apples and bananas here.

As far as one group wishing to succede, it will require a majority ~67% of the members to approve a move like that. And we only got 55% to proxy / vote at this meeting. And 55% turnout for the ousting of the roof / additions lawsuit happy board of SOFFERHOOVERMYERSQUINTER

And finally,
It's clear that the > fundamental views on home ownership and maintenance in the older sections > differ greatly from those of the owners in the newer sections who paid > vastly more for their property.

Wow! I know where you really sit.
There are many very well taken care of homes thoughtout the community, and many that need help next those very same homes.

Perry


Next letter

Bonnie Weldon wrote:

Hi Perry,

Thanks for getting back to me. I think there is enough mud to sling on all sides of this issue. However, that said, I think we need to move on. Over 1/2 of the homeowners have paid -- there's your survey. Yes, the process whereby these mailboxes were selected and provided was flawed. Yet in the interests of moving on, I wish the current Board would do the honorable thing and concede this issue. I can assure you that the homeowners are tired of all of this bickering. All sides party to this issue need to grow up, swallow their pride and admit that we don't always get what we want in life... as the song goes.

And they also say it ain't over till the fat lady sings, and she ain't even dressed yet.

That was such a bogus demand last night that the names of the people who purchased mailboxes be released. It will be very obvious who purchased mailboxes in a few weeks. If this board tries to retaliate in any way against the people who bought mailboxes it will get even uglier -- and yes, uglier is possible.


Oddly enough,
You missed a minor detail here.
Since the old board had OUR property manager as the mail receiver, the HOA is entitled to be privy the details.

It seems that every decision related to the street signs / mailboxes was poorly considered / planned.

If you want ugly, all of OUR property values will deminish, your too!

And I find it repulsive that on September 12 they had passed such an un-democratic ruling. Consider a jury's view when that one detail is brought up.

These mailboxes will only improve our values, and it has been established that the cost is a bargain. I think this is all about personal vendettas.


I have no personal beef with Ms. Angelotti.
I'm not happy she took down my .NET signs, but that ain't vendetta cause for me.
She even slandered me TWICE with her unsigned newsletters.
That is still not vendetta material, it is just head shaking pity.


I recently drove around a very smoltzy neighborhood and they had similar style of mail boxes to the new ones and the place looked like a grave yard.
So once again, it was a matter of choice the 1890's or peasantwalk.

If you check the Florida statutes, a judge can order arbitration at any time when situations such as this fracture an association controlled neighborhood. If the new board persists in spending homeowners money for frivolous legal rabbit trails, I feel certain that a contingency of rational, sane people will see to it that arbitration is court ordered.
Perhaps that would be the best course to pursue...

I find it odd that your spout legal rabbit trails, when Ms. Angelotti was on NOT on the board she'd send letters constantly to OUR atty, and we'd be billed for the merry-go-round.
see this for an example: http://pheasantwalk.home.att.net/mess.html
And then when she was on the board, they had consulted OUR atty as often as we go to the grocery store. As you know that was at $125 an HOUR!

Also, you need to review the FL statues about misleading solicitations.

FSS. 817.061,
MISLEADING SOLICITATION OF PAYMENTS PROHIBITED.
" (1) IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON, COMPANY, CORPORATION, AGENCY, ASSOCIATION, PARTNERSHIP, INSTITUTION, OR CHARITABLE ENTITY TO SOLCIT PAYMENT OF MONEY BY ANOTHER BY MEANS OF A STATEMENT OR INVOICE, OR ANY WRITING THAT WOULD REASONABLY BE INTERPRETED AS A STATEMENT OR INVOICE, FOR GOODS NOT YET ORDERED OR FOR SERVICES NOT YET PERFORMED AND NOT YET ORDERED, UNLESS THERE APPEARS ON THE FACE OF THE STATEMENT OR INVOICE OR IN WRITING IN 30-POINT BOLDFACE TYPE THE FOLLOWING WARNING:
"THIS IS A SOLICITATION FOR THE ORDER OF GOODS OR SERVICES, AND YOU ARE UNDER NO OBLIGATION TO MAKE PAYMENT UNLESS YOU ACCEPT THE OFFER CONTAINED HEREIN "
(2) ANY PERSON DAMAGED BY NONCOMPLIANCE WITH THIS SECTION, IN ADDITION TO OTHER REMEDIES, IS ENTITLED TO DAMAGES IN THE AMOUNT EQUAL TO 3 TIMES THE SUM ENTITLED.
(3) ANY PERSON, COMPANY, CORPORATION, AGENCY, ASSOCIATION, PARTNERSHIP, INSTITUTION, OR CHARTIABLE ENTITY THAT VIOLATES THIS SECTION IS GULITY OF A MISDEANOR OF THE SECOND DEGREE, PUNISHABLE AS PROVIDED IN S. 775.083 ".

So based on this; Ms. Angelotti and Ms. Harper are on the hook for $411 to everyone in the association. And they'll both have a criminal record to boot.
Hmm.
I'd say she'd be smart to return everyone's money and say she's sorry for the hassle.
Additionally, Ms. Harper would probably loose her license to sell insurance.


I continue to be amazed at the time and energy that people are putting into this cause. Don't these people (on both sides of the fence) have jobs, families, lives, pets, something in their life more important than mailboxes and putting the screws to the old board?

By the way, it has been suggested that perhaps the newer sections should withdraw from the Pheasant Walk HOA altogether. It's clear that the fundamental views on home ownership and maintenance in the older sections differ greatly from those of the owners in the newer sections who paid vastly more for their property. There are many homeowners in the older sections who paid $60,000 for their homes and that is a whole different mind set than people who have recently paid $329,000.00. Just another option.
The world is full of options.

Best regards,
Bonnie Weldon





an earlier email by me to Bonnie, to here first letter

Bonnie,
I will consider posting it, and let you know tomorrow.
Ms Angellotti, Misinformed folks about how the mailboxes were to done again last nite.
She refused to hold the price, and claimed that she can't do that because of shipping. Well she could of said, I can hold the $119 price and include tax, and shipping as a normal issue. Instead she choose to subterfuge the issue.

Additionally she said that the $137 price includes CEMENT, which at a previous meeting she said can't be used by couny ruling.
So which is it? and if not why are we being billed for it?

Next the board can change it's mind about the mailboxes at anytime. So they can rule they want the old mailboxes. And the folks can get stuck with an albatross, they can't use. That would sure cause a stink.

And finally the HOA did NOT contract with Over C's to buy the mail boxes. So the HOA is not on the hook should the Board change the direction. Now the residents can complain, but the convenats say the board can change the style at anytime, which was the same excuse the old board had used to foist those things upon us to begin with.

Perry


-- (pheasantwalk@att.net), April 11, 2002.



-- (pheasantwalk@att.net), April 11, 2002.

While I am concerned about any hint that the board might be 'hiding' something... I understand that some legal action may be necessary to undo certain actions taken by the previous board. Contrary to your suggestion that nearly half of the residents of PW were in favor of the new mailboxes, you might consider that many of those people felt coerced into making a decision that they did not favor. If Cheryl A. placed any orders for mailboxes prior to the election, she may have been overstepping the bounds of propriety... given the likelihood that a new board might wish to take a new approach -- non-coercive!
I, for one, hope that the new board will aggressively pursue an 'un-doing' of the previous board's actions re: mailboxes. There is little we can do to undo their actions on the street signs... the ones I have seen so far are thoroughly under-whelming. If this was Grosse Pointe, Shaker Heights or some other development primarily composed of brick homes or clapboard colonials, the new signs might fit in... here, they are just pretentious!
My best wishes to the new board... may they be a voice of sanity, economy and practicality for our community.

-- (MikeMillsBoca@msn.com), April 11, 2002.

I was also at the first board meeting with the new board running the show and I must congratulate them on a productive first meeting. To bpwcled and anyone else that believes that the new board is lawsuit happy and set on dividing the community I must say open your eyes! First of all the new board did NOT create any of the current problems, Cheryl and her puppets did a fine job of creating this mess. Unfortunately the new board is in the unenviable position of trying to fix many problems while at the same time maintaining their pledge of integrity and community support. If the old board had in fact put the community first and listened to the majority of the community they would not have proceeded with the street signs and mailboxes until the community was both informed and the board had a thorough plan for all aspects of this purchase. As we stand now we do NOT know who has purchased the signs, we do NOT know if there is a warranty, we do NOT know who will install these eyesores, we do NOT know when we will receive the shipment, we do NOT know where we will put the shipment, we do NOT know if we have liability coverage for storage OR installation. What we DO know is that the old board wanted the new signs and mailboxes for some unknown reason and in the process of ramming them down the throat of Pheasant Walk residents they completely disregarded the consequences to the community. To Bill and the new board I commend you on your early professionalism and I will support you as all Pheasant Walk residents should by attending future meetings and volunteering on committees. We live in a wonderful community now lets fix the current situation and move forward in a positive direction.

-- (msdsms@adelphia.net), April 11, 2002.

I think there is enough mud to sling on all sides of this issue. However, that said, I think we need to move on. Over 1/2 of the homeowners have paid -- there's your survey. Yes, the process whereby these mailboxes were selected and provided was flawed. Yet in the interests of moving on, I wish the current Board would do the honorable thing and concede this issue. I can assure you that the homeowners are tired of all of this bickering. All sides party to this issue need to grow up, swallow their pride and admit that we don't always get what we want in life... as the song goes.

I think there is enough mud to sling on all sides of this issue. However, that said, I think we need to move on. Over 1/2 of the homeowners have paid -- there's your survey. Yes, the process whereby these mailboxes were selected and provided was flawed. Yet in the interests of moving on, I wish the current Board would do the honorable thing and concede this issue. I can assure you that the homeowners are tired of all of this bickering. All sides party to this issue need to grow up, swallow their pride and admit that we don't always get what we want in life... as the song goes. That was such a bogus demand last night that the names of the people who purchased mailboxes be released. It will be very obvious who purchased mailboxes in a few weeks. If this board tries to retaliate in any way against the people who bought mailboxes it will get even uglier -- and yes, uglier is possible. These mailboxes will only improve our values, and it has been established that the cost is a bargain. I think this is all about personal vendettas. If you check the Florida statutes, a judge can order arbitration at any time when situations such as this fracture an association controlled neighborhood. If the new board persists in spending homeowners money for frivolous legal rabbit trails, I feel certain that a contingency of rational, sane people will see to it that arbitration is court ordered. Perhaps that would be the best course to pursue... I continue to be amazed at the time and energy that people are putting into this cause. Don't these people (on both sides of the fence) have jobs, families, lives, pets, something in their life more important than mailboxes and putting the screws to the old board? By the way, it has been suggested that perhaps the newer sections should withdraw from the Pheasant Walk HOA altogether. It's clear that the fundamental views on home ownership and maintenance in the older sections differ greatly from those of the owners in the newer sections who paid vastly more for their property. There are many homeowners in the older sections who paid $60,000 for their homes and that is a whole different mind set than people who have recently paid $329,000.00. Just another option. The world is full of options. That was such a bogus demand last night that the names of the people who purchased mailboxes be released. It will be very obvious who purchased mailboxes in a few weeks. If this board tries to retaliate in any way against the people who bought mailboxes it will get even uglier -- and yes, uglier is possible.

These mailboxes will only improve our values, and it has been established that the cost is a bargain. I think this is all about personal vendettas. If you check the Florida statutes, a judge can order arbitration at any time when situations such as this fracture an association controlled neighborhood. If the new board persists in spending homeowners money for frivolous legal rabbit trails, I feel certain that a contingency of rational, sane people will see to it that arbitration is court ordered. Perhaps that would be the best course to pursue...

I continue to be amazed at the time and energy that people are putting into this cause. Don't these people (on both sides of the fence) have jobs, families, lives, pets, something in their life more important than mailboxes and putting the screws to the old board?

By the way, it has been suggested that perhaps the newer sections should withdraw from the Pheasant Walk HOA altogether. It's clear that the fundamental views on home ownership and maintenance in the older sections differ greatly from those of the owners in the newer sections who paid vastly more for their property. There are many homeowners in the older sections who paid $60,000 for their homes and that is a whole different mind set than people who have recently paid $329,000.00. Just another option.

The world is full of options.

-- Bonnie (cledwyn.boca-raton@worldnet.att.net), April 11, 2002.



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