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A oountry that was built by the Republic with ideals and morality.

Where its military power became the ultimate reason for its existence.

Where a Commander launches a dictatorship over the Senate.

Where political factions are fighting against each other.

Where even with great material wealth,government and nation was becoming morally and ethically bankrupt.

Where its military eventually was spread to thin to protect its own borders.

Where a once proud and efficent civil service became so big that it sieze up and collapse.

Where people are flocking in by the thousands.

Where freeloaders,civil servants and well-connected fat cats are draining away it wealth.

Where government constantly has to find new ways of getting more & more taxes.

Where rich people get lawyers to find ways not to pay the new taxes.

Where there is eventually not enough money to secure military operations with first class recruits and officers.

Where opposing forces penetrate through the borders.

Where they have to bribe other armys to join them in order to fight eneny armys.

Where it has as a slogan "A secure and peaceful Nation"

Where in the end politicans rip off ordinary folks to make themselves rich,where playing around during marriage was accept norm.,where lying,cheating and carnal lusting were viewed with a wink and a nod,where parents had to have their children escorted home from school to protect them from the perverts,where government officials and high ranking citizens used any means necessary,including "accidental deaths" or "suicides", to get,keep power.

Where once stood a nation morally and ethically proud,now stands a nation all but completely gone.

-- TomK(mich) (, April 24, 2002


Ah Tom, was that ancient Rome?

-- john hill (, April 24, 2002.

U.S.A. Today :o)

-- Kenneth in N.C. (, April 24, 2002.

I vote for Rome also.

-- Joel Rosen (, April 24, 2002.

Nice one, Centurion!!!

-- Doreen (, April 24, 2002.

"Where once stood a nation morally and ethically proud,now stands a nation all but completely gone."

Let's see now Tom, we once stood proud during...

a) the Colonial / Slavery period b) The Civil War period c) The Reconstruction period d) Foreign wars; pick one 1) Spanish American 2) WWI 3)WWII 4) Korea 5)Vietnam

I wouldn't presume to include anthing more recent than the 1970s, cuz as we all know, we as a nation were totally washed up by then. I mean, gee whiz, women, Asians and other nefarious non-whites ran for office and got elected. Tsk.


-- Craig Miller (, April 25, 2002.

Indeed it is Rome of that I speak, and yes it could be said for America also, but could not the same be said of maybe Russia,Britian,Egypt,France,Greece,Spain,etc. In most cases great nations or empires eventually tumble from greatness.

"The first shall be last,and the last shall be first"

Craig, I think the saying go's " They were doing what they thought was right at the time." As has been proven by past experience "women, Asians and other nefarious non-whites ran for office and got elected" because of the people getting together as one and standing up for what they belived was wrong.

Will the people ever get to that point again here in America?

-- TomK(mich) (, April 25, 2002.

TomK, does it cause a problem when "women, Asians and other nefarious non-whites" get elected to office?

-- john hill (, April 26, 2002.

I am almost sure that was sarcasm John. Craig Miller is quite an intelligent homesteader with a good grip on reality.

I was always fascinated by the Nuremburg trials. The "I was only following orders" defense just troubled me so badly. I just couldn't believe the simple minded logic of that and I said QUILTY AS CHARGED !

Than came the capture of Eichman, who used an alternative defence. " I was following the law of the land" and it stopped me dead in my tracks. He was correct--He was a good soldier. He carried his orders out with ruthless precision. He had a ton of medals to prove his loyality. By every logical law of mankind he was to be commended and praised but as we all know-- he was executed. IMHO, by the world standards, he had met his burden of proof and he should have walked for there is no law in war.

Now we americans stand trial before the world and God and what is our defence ? " he hit me first" comes to mind, but " I am following the law of the land" is more appropriate--for if we do not than we will be jailed. We once stood Proud and Ethical and we acted in the best interest of others. The Sword of Freedom was a beacon to the world. Now we afflict people of the world for we are no longer the "cure", we are the disease !

Now the real question will be; Are you man enough to not follow the law of the land ? Are you honorable enough to not follow orders ? Are you able to think an act as your own moral master or do you need a government to lead you to your gallows pole ? When you stand before your judge what will you say ?

-- Joel Rosen (, April 26, 2002.

John, as proven by several decades when only white men ran got elected in this country, when their reason is self-serving and not of those who they represent then theres a problem. If they do what they're elected to do and represent those who elect them then I don't care if horses even get elected.

-- TomK(mich) (, April 27, 2002.

Well that's a relief TomK! I live 'under' a government with quite a few members who don't fit the 'white men' label. :-)

-- john hill (, April 27, 2002.

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