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I have been really studying and think about the current state of the world, homesteading, and the future. This week in addition to reading the EU thread I also watched Frontline- Harvest of Fear. This was of course about GMO foods. It is getting to the point where homesteaders are going to have to decide whether they plan to camp in the modernest, pesticide ridden, genetically altered, corporate world, or whether they are going to choose sanity over insanity.
With all the talk of secession I am convinced that perhaps the idea of a group of people getting together and seceeding politically or even monetarily from the Union has become next to impossible. This is why I want to talk about a different kind of secession. Homesteading is about secession. It is about seceeding from a world that is devolving into chaos.
The major question for me is how to teach my children to survive in a coming world of craziness unlike any that we have ever experienced. If things continue in the manner that the world is currently traveling, then the world that they live in will be vastly different from the one we currently occupy.
Even though a political document like the Declaration of Independence is unlikely to come along and change things for the better(attitudes and ideas of the people make this no longer possible), it is still possible for people of like mind to come together and agree to seceed. It is possible for people to agree to go a different direction than their world is going. In the sixties and seventies intentional communities sprouted up, but these have been largely unsatisfactory for many homesteaders because they bind people to close together. Instead of a normal community there is bickering and struggle for control.
To me the key has to be homesteaders consolidating and moving into already existing towns and communities, and forming economic connections as well as webs of support and cooperation. In my view, if we can reach into an already existing community and find those who are of like mind, in addition to likeminded people moving together, then we can create under current economies outside of the mainstream. One of the problems of the current homesteading movement is that we are too far away from one another to effectively help one another. One of the most common complaints of homesteaders is that they cannot find others near them.
To help this problem I am forming a new board here on lucinet with just simple state listings, so that people can help one another. Please do not list your actual address on the board which should be up by the end of the day. Just states and towns please!!! Please communicate with posters by e-mail. The board will be called Ahomesteadfinder . One post per family please. This will help those out who have seen someone with something they needed and can't remember where they are located. It will also help new people moving into areas to find one another.
I really want others near me that I know I can depend on to share services and products. I want to know that I am contributing to healthier lifestyles for my family and for my community. I also want clean food, not only now but in the future. We are quickly heading toward worldwide famine, mark my words.
Little Bit farm
-- Little bit Farm (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 25, 2002
One small problem old friend---maybe you can think of a way around it ?
If you do not post at least 3 times a week than Lusenet will bury you in the inactive forum section and---No One Will Ever Find The Forum !!!
Any ideas on how to fix that ?????
-- Joel Rosen (JoelnBecky@webtv.net), April 25, 2002.
Yes, Little Bit, we are going into the famine of Rev. 6:5.
Unfortunately, most Christians are deceived by the rapture cult and believe they will not see tough times and they are blind to our present situation. They believe God is going to rapture them out before things get tough and they have no reason to separate from the world or prepare. Because they believe they won't be here for The Antichrist or The Mark, they don't have a spiritual problem accepting what is offered to them by our government. They are blind to the Truth. I fear many of them are lost to the enemy and will become enemies to to the true followers of the Lord.
Because homesteaders are isolationists by nature, and don't hang out in town, it is harder for them to network. Because our rapture cult churches do not allow any other opinion to be spoken within their walls, those who are lead to prepare for hard times are marginalized, silenced and isolated. I think most of us have left the denominational churches.
For many years, God has been calling out His own people to leave the cities and prepare. If you've heard His call, you better get serious about doing as He says. You will be without excuse for your plight and that of your children.
Through prayer, the Lord brought us together with another family. We now homechurch, homeschool and eat homegrown together. Our group is now 3 families with another considering us. Each family has much to offer. Our husbands are strong men of the Lord and take their roles as the head of their households seriously so our group flows in harmony with the Holy Spirit.
Many people who know me on these forums know where I am. For those who are truly seeking the Lord, let the Lord show you where you should be. For those who seek us for the glory of the Lord, let His Holy Spirit lead you to us. For those who seek to do us harm, may His Spirit confound and confuse you.
-- Laura (LadybugWrangler@somewhere.com), April 25, 2002.
There's already a place for homesteaders to get together regionally. It's through Back Home magazine's spin-off chapters. I'm the web person for the Vermont homesteaders....
This is the page for the national Back Home chapters....
-- Peace and Carrots Farm, Vermont (email@example.com), April 25, 2002.
Ladybug, your post makes me very curious. I am saved by the grace of God, and very thankful for that. I have read many of your posts in the past, but none have peeked my interest as much as this one. Therefore, I respond with a question sort of. Where in the Bible do you find scripture so clear on the subject of the rapture/second coming which would embolden you to speak so dogmatically concerning it? I'm not knocking your theology, I'm just curious. Please point me in the direction which would make things so clear. I submit there is more scripture which would suggest we won't suffer the tribulation than there is scripture which would suggest we will. My belief is that we will be spared from the hour of testing and I base this on the fact that the church (I mean the body not the buildings or denominations) lives in the age of grace through the fulfillment which was done at Calvry.
Respectfully and curiously,
-- PoePoe (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 26, 2002.
PoePoe, I'm not Laura, but I agree with her.(i am almost certain!) The contention above should have probably indicated pre Trib Rapture. There is nothing in the Bible that says that we are to be saved from testing. From the Wrath of God, yes, but not from testing; as a matter of fact, just the reverse of that is true. I was studying this again and had a 'revelation' about Revelation and if you'd like to read Chapter 14 you might see what I am referring to. There is a lot more, but that chappter just jumped up and clarified it all for me. God bless!!!
-- Doreen (email@example.com), April 26, 2002.
The Pope removed 26 books from the bible and left Revelations. The best passage in Revelations is on the cover page--"A dream of John's". Which one of you is a dream interpretuer ??
I know I quote the book when I reference The Whore of Babylon but perhaps I shouldn't. That book is not for mortal men or women ! Give this some thought--You are guessing and Jesus already said that no man knows the day year or hour of the second coming. Which of you would contradict Jesus ?
Have you seen the signs in the heavens ? Has the moon turned to blood ? Be very gareful not to lead the people astray--for that insures your own damnation. Unless God instructs you to do otherwise, than you would be very wise, Not To Interperit Revelations ! Lest ye think that you are wiser than God ?
-- Joel Rosen (JoelnBecky@webtv.net), April 27, 2002.
It is late and I have a killer headache. For a start, drag out your Strong's Concordance and do a word study on the --Last Day-- that is a good start.
The entire Bible is about God taking care of His people through troubled times IF they FOLLOW Him. God did not rapture Noah he instructed him to prepare. Every man woman and child on earth died except those who got on the boat.
So far, the only ones who've been raptured were Enoch and Elijah
-- Laura (Ladybugwrangler@hotmail.com), April 27, 2002.
Sounds kind of like the Amish to me.
-- TomK(mich) (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 27, 2002.
Joel, the book also says that if you read it (this doesn't mean running your eyes across the page, but actually studying it) you will be blessed. There is nothing that is being interpreted in this discussion, and there is nothing wrong with discussing. Don't be afraid of studying Revelation, but remember it is the last book and you need to get the rest of it down a bit before hand.
As to the Pope, (I don't intend to offend, but I very well may) the Lord God is mightier than any man who wears a miter, and likes people to kiss his ring. HIS Word is preserved, it is all there, and studying it and growing in it is a blessing. My faith is in Him, not in any person's interpretations.
And God shut the door on the ark...:)- I like that surety! I also want to put in a plug for the Strong's Concordance as a study aid, it's been a real blessing to me. I bought mine from Amazon.com and I think it was just over $25.
To bring it back to the thread topic, there are a few places in the country that have enclaves of like minded folks. Perhaps we are spread all over so that we may help all over?
-- Doreen (email@example.com), April 27, 2002.
I have been following this thread with some amusement....:>). I love it when a whole new generation gets called to come out from the world and decides to be obedient to that call. When my husband and I were called years ago we looked to the world for justification for our actions, and certainly found plenty. Today we see that the blessings have come from the obedience, irregardless of what is happening in the world. We are called to always be ready for the return of the Lord, to be in the world and not of it, and....IMO to rely on God and the works of OUR hands. I don't think it is a rapture issue, but very much one of obedience.
-- diane (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 27, 2002.
Well first of all I agree with diane. This isn't a rapture issue. I believe in the rapture, because I believe the Bible when it says that Christians are no longer under the wrath of God. The tribulation is the outpouring of God's wrath upon the earth.
Romans 5 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.
John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Little Bit Farm
-- Little bit Farm (email@example.com), April 27, 2002.
OK! I SHALL STUDY THIS ISSUE FURTHER AND COMMENT MORE LATER. I BELIEVE THERE IS SOMETHING TO WHAT YOU SAY LADYBUG, AND DIANE YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY FAITHFUL AND WELL LEARNED IN THE BIBLE. JOEL, THE POPE IS A SPOKESMAN FOR CATHOLICISM, NOT CHRISTIANITY. ANYONE WHO REMOVES BOOKS OF THE BIBLE HAS MADE AN ERROR. THE BIBLE SAYS CURSED IS THE ONE WHO ADDS TO OR TAKES AWAY FROM THE WORD OF GOD.
-- PoePoe (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 28, 2002.
Let's not forget, the Protestants took a few books out of the Bible also.
I will post a few studies later on a different thread. sorry to step on your toes, Little Bit. It wasn't intentional.
-- Laura (LadybugWrangler@somewhere.com), April 28, 2002.
So where are all these books and how can I get my hands on them?
-- buffy (email@example.com), April 29, 2002.
Extracanonical Books--and you can find them in any book store. Warning--your going to read about reincarnation in both bold and subtle forms. This is why they were removed.
-- Joel Rosen (JoelnBecky@webtv.net), May 01, 2002.
Laura, you didn't step on my toes at all. I believe in the rapture, but I also am fully prepared for any eventuality, knowing that in the final analysis I am going to heaven. No matter if Jesus comes to get me before the trib, in the middle of the trib, or after the trib, I will be waiting with bells on, ready to follow him. I am also prepared if he just takes me home before it matters. Let's face it, either way, if we both have committed ourselves to Christ you an I will be strolling down some golden highways together someday, and I'll bet neither one of our toes will be aching either.
Little Bit farm
-- Little bit Farm (firstname.lastname@example.org), May 02, 2002.