Quote of the day (for thinking & reflecting upon)

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1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;

4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;

5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;

6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;

7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;

8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace. (Ecclesiastes 3:1-8)

-- TomK(mich) (tjk@cac.net), April 28, 2002

Answers

They will probably let you slide Tom, but when I quoted the time to kill verse several years back the religious right or left jumped straight down my throat. They swore that was not in the bible and no Christian would ever repeat it. I never know who is right and left anymore for I am a straight line personality. Straight to the goal, with you or without you, over you or through you, all I care about is the goal !

-- Joel Rosen (JoelnBecky@webtv.net), April 28, 2002.

"A time to kill" is in my Bible (king James}, I don't know why anyone would be upset about correctly quoting it. Like I tell my children, The Bible is a mandate, not a menu. When you draw out only what you want or feels comfortable your missing everything.

-- JJ Grandits (JJGBDF@aol.com), April 28, 2002.

Any philologists out there ? I was once told that some of the words we use as synonyms now, actually had very precise meanings.

To kill was used for non-human creatures. To slay was to kill a person in battle. To murder was what we call premeditated murder. I forget what we now classify as manslaughter ( non-premeditated or accidental death from reckless action [ drunk driving ] ) was called.

The sensitive need to be reminded that the Bible is more than just the New Testament. It is Jesus's new covent which made the change from "an eye for an eye" to "turn the other cheek"

-- Deborah Hardy (virgil@igs.net), April 29, 2002.


Deborah is correct, there are many meanings to the word kill. The "kill" used in this passage is the same "kill" commanded unto the Isrealites going into Canaan. " Kill every living thing man, woman, child and beast of the field."

God is a multifaceted personality and he is far from being all about LOVE. The believer with forgiveness through the death on the cross has hope. The rest can expect to see an angry God--the God who destroyed the earth with water --the God who wiped Sodom and Gomorrah off the map--the God who killed every first born in Eygpt. Even Jesus lost his temper and took a bullwhip to the moneychangers showing that forgiveness was only for the remorseful ! It is all too simple really--Believe and obey or die !

-- Joel Rosen (JoelnBecky@webtv.net), April 29, 2002.


Forgiveness from GOD only for the remorseful, Joel, but here on Earth, we are to forgive each and everyone, no excuses.

And Deborah is right, the Old Testament laws were gone when Jesus came and gave us the New Covenant. No longer eye for eye, and no excuse not to understand that anymore, it's all right there. We are to hold no unforgiveness in our hearts towards others. If a man hates his brother(brother meaning anyone), the love of God is not in him.

-- Cindy in KY (solidrockranch@msn.com), April 29, 2002.



Not to muddy the waters, but the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" is probably one of the most misused and misunderstood verses. It is not about violent revenge, It's about justice and equal application of law.

-- JJ Grandits (JJGBDF@aol.com), April 29, 2002.

Yes Cindy, this is were you and I have a different understanding of scripture. I forgive only the remorseful ! The man who is boastful and proud of his sin against me-- that man I create war against and you have chastised me for it publicly but I will not stop.

I take that from several places in the scripture but mostly from the parable of the publican and the pharisee praying. The pharisee's prayer was not heard while the remorseful publican's was and he alone received forgiveness.

-- Joel Rosen (JoelnBecky@webtv.net), April 29, 2002.


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