The problem of mobbing is very actual, so I submit to punish people who do mobbing. The "Mob" which presses and especially a "War leader" should pay the fine or be convicted! There's no other way - we must be sweet and soft but not to the mob which breakes THE HUMAN RIGHTS! This kind of punishing mush be in schools and kindergartens and after on jobs. I tell you - Terrorism has roots in mobbing. Psychologist should find out the victims of "peer preasure", because those people are shy and scared, that's why they can't go to complain themselves.They should BE TURNED to a psy-help. I submit to create many regional clubs helping the victims of mobbing (I mean a psychological mobbing ) in all countries. Those clubs must be available. Every school and factory must take a code of honor to FORBID mobbing and all the mess!

-- Alexander Nevzorov (dalm2000@mail.ru), May 02, 2002

Answers

Alexander, Could you please give an example of mobbing. I am not familiar with the term. Thank you.

-- Joan (godessss@mindspring.com), May 02, 2002.

Joan, it's something along the lines of what you are doing within this forum.

-- Melissa (holy_rhodes@earthlink.net), May 02, 2002.

Joan, Now I'll tell you what's mobbing. It's a "Peer preasure". It's a form of relations in the group when all the mob hates and hurts one "black sheep" or "ugly duckling". All aganist one. The leader makes a mob hate the "outcast". That's MOBBING!

-- Alexander Nevzorov (dalm2000@mail.ru), May 03, 2002.

Melissa, do you know everything Joan do?

-- Alexander Nevzorov (dalm2000@mail.ru), May 03, 2002.

I get mobbed by unsolicited e-mail. Seriously, I agree that its a problem, but I doubt the power of pshycology or the "system" to fight it. How does change come? It comes from the heart, one soul at a time. Did you leave your Spetznatz unit Alexander? Re: your previous e-mail address. Ciao.

-- JRC (me@nospam.net), May 03, 2002.

And kids get mob at school, everytime a bullie approch them, let's not forget gang members and drug dealers.

-- Tony (awalker@teknett.com), May 03, 2002.

Oops. sorry, it was a different person who had the spetznatz address. See, peer pressure made me do it. P-s-y-c-h-o-l-o-g-y. I r a college graduate.

-- JRC (me@none.com), May 03, 2002.

Thanks for your reply Alexander. I understand what you are talking about. It is a dangerous and destructive practice, especially within our schools. Children and adolescents that lack self-esteem often seek to fit in by such. Belonging to the "mob" gives them the power they feel they lack. Having a scapegoat to attack, someone to put down, makes them feel lifted up. Adults also show this same behavior. Their modeling only adds to the conduct of children.

What children and adults who are scapegoats need to recognize is their persecutors are the ones who are unhealthy and needy. Healing for persecutors comes through learning self-love and self-respect.

When someone feels good about themselves, loves themself, they have no need to put someone else down, to belittle or attack another. They are not dependent on their self-esteem from outside themselves.

Thank you for the thought provoking statement Alexander.

-- Joan (godessss@mindspring.com), May 03, 2002.

Joan

YOU ARE THE MOB. You are using mob tactics right here on this forum with you deciets and outright lies. Be gone with you witch.

-- Fred Bishop (fcbishop@globaleyes.net), May 03, 2002.

Feddie dear boy! Sprinkle her with Holy Water under a full moon or is it mooning?? God your boring.

-- Jean Bouchard (jeanb@cwk.imag.net), May 03, 2002.

Jean

You are the boring one and full of stuff that makes absolutely no sense at all. I have heard better things from others in here. You and your friends only make things a bit more cloudy. i will stay on the other side and watch you all drown in your own crazies.

-- Fred Bishop (fcbishop@globaleyes.net), May 03, 2002.

I agree that mob behavior is unhealthy - too often in the world today, however, it is Catholics who are targets of the mob mentality. Perhaps that's why this forum was created - as a safe space for people of like minds and interests to share with and encourage each other.

More interestingly, however, another behavior that is worthy of attention is that of the masochistic party crasher. This type violates all sorts of established boundaries within a particular community, receives negative attention for his/her behavior (perhaps this is the payoff - didn't get enough attention from mom or dad, maybe?), then implies that s/he is being victimized. And better yet, knowingly goes back for more community disapproval with the same behavior - even though there are plenty of other social settings/communities in which the individual's behavior would be considered perfectly acceptable, welcome, and within established social boundaries. Masochism and codependent self-victimization at its finest, if you ask me.

Alexander, perhaps this type would be of interest for your study and consideration. I can think of at least 2 individuals who would be prime candidates for therapy and rehabilitation.

-- (a_catholic@tiredofbeingbashed.com), May 03, 2002.

Joan said:

"Having a scapegoat to attack, someone to put down, makes them feel lifted up. Adults also show this same behavior. Their modeling only adds to the conduct of children."

You mean like homos and pedophiles ?

-- Tony (awalker@teknett.com), May 04, 2002.

Hello, I'm really interested in all your oppinions and points of view. It's true - love to others begins with self-love. But what parents must do to make children love themselves? What must they say to make children self-confident and not self-assured? Psychology can't solve this problem completly. There must be an administrative commission. You know mobbing is forbidden by Human's Right and should be controlled. At least victims (may) have parents and those parent shouldn't be indifferent. And there's one more quastion - How must children be bred not to become a mob?

-- Alexander Nevzorov (dalm2000@mail.ru), May 04, 2002.

They must be bred be reading about the violent and revengful god.

-- Tony (awalker@teknett.com), May 04, 2002.

Alexander asks, "How must children be bred not to become a mob?"

Alexander,

I'm not a parent; but, here are some ideas I have:

1) Parents must live as examples to their children. I believe that broken homes (single parents, abusive parents) are more likely to produce a child with a lower self-esteem than a home with two loving parents. This statement reflects a measured trend, and is not a condemnation of individuals.

2) Parents must teach the children to value themselves. Only then will the child be able to value others.

3) Morality and religion don't often separate for long--neither survive well without the other. If a society rejects God, that society rejects a Divine Law. In this case, immoral people have no reason to fear punishment as long as they don't get caught for their immoral behavior. If a society attempts to destroy religion, it is destroying one of the key mechanisms for transmitting morality to the next generation.

Just my thoughts,

Mateo

-- (MattElFeo@netscape.net), May 04, 2002.

Mateo, get rid of that world society, why don't you try yourself for once ?

-- Tony (awalker@teknett.com), May 04, 2002.

Alexander,

I know that English isn't your first language, though I think you writing is quite good. I would like to correct you on a small error: your question should begin:

"How should children be raised to discourage them from joining a gang?"

"Breeding" describes the process of producing offspring. Raising a child involves a parent's instruction and education of his or her child.

Based on your descriptions, "gang" seems a more appropriate word than "mob," though I might be wrong on this.

Mateo

-- (MattElFeo@netscape.net), May 04, 2002.

Mateo,
Only once before today, in all my years, had I seen the word "mobbing" before. In its context, it had the meaning of "hazing" -- very cruel teasing, sometimes in a sort of "initiation rite." I suspect that the word "mobbing" is more commonly found in British English, rather than in American English.

Dear "a_catholic@tiredofbeingbashed.com", thanks for your good message with which I agree completely.

Tony, it's time for you to take a hike until you regain mental health and respect for Catholicism. You have nothing at all to offer us here.

John

-- (jfgecik@desc.dla.mil), May 04, 2002.

Neither does anyone else.

-- Tony (awalker@teknett.com), May 04, 2002.

I would just repeat what some have said, it comes from the parents, from self respect, from knowing that each person is of great worth and precious. St Paul said where there is fear, love is still imperfect. The mob mentality is really about fear, and about lack of trust. The state, "science", learning or what have you can't provide this. It can only come from a sense of the value of the human person. For those with faith, it comes from the understanding that we are made in the image and likeness of God.

-- JRC (me2@nospam.net), May 04, 2002.

Mateo, Thanks for your correcting and your ideas. I find you're right. I hope parent will know and USE those recommendations. Educational institutions and Jobs . Go on. You're way of thinking is right!

-- Alexander Nevzorov (dalm2000@mail.ru), May 05, 2002.

You can't fight mobbing, look what happened when you brought it up people turned against you because it insults them that they could conceivably do something against their own personal standards just because "everyone else is doing it". but it's true it happens you will always have it you can't stop it, you can't prevent it unless you know why it happens and stop it before it developes, a code of honor is worthless. Columbine happened because of a mob mentality against those who are diffrent and the desire to make it right for others. You can't get help against a mob because no one wants to face it. the only real action against a mob is to be martyred before it and hope the the mob destroys itself because of it. And watch as one by one people come and bring to bear the force of opinion against me in this forum. Because no on likes feeling that they can't control themselves.

-- James (liddy.3@wright.edu), September 17, 2003.