I found this guy Bryon Smith, while doing a search on the Web. He claims to "Hear God", but he is against organized religion. So, I sent him a letter telling him about the Catholic Faith, and how Jesus Christ did indeed establish the faith.

I would like to share the letters with you. Please read them (I know it will take a while), and then comment on the last letter (you can comment on any of them, but the last one is out there. It's a wierd one). Thank you all for your help and blessings.

Jake Wrote:

Bryon Smith,

You wrote: "I am not pro-organized religion, but I am Pro-God, because I have learned there is a difference."

I think that you are definitely on the right track, being "pro-God". However, not being pro-organized religion simply because there is a difference between it and God is unfortunate. God and religion go hand in hand! I guess then, my question is: are you Pro-Jesus Christ? If so, was it not He who founded the Church and "organized" the Apostles? Organization is a GOOD thing. Without organization there necessarily can NOT be any clear means by which one could please God. For the Glory of God, how would any un-organized religion (or no religion at all) be able to spread pure and unconditional truths about God. If one loves God they seek to tell others about their God, because in doing so they not only are helping their friend, but they are also at the same time pleasing God. Spreading the truth about God is indeed unnecessary in "proving" your love for him (for example, many Saints who spent their time in hermitages), however it is an outward expression of your love which serves the purpose of bringing others to that same place you are at with God. But if there is no organization (that is documentation on what has been revealed as Truth - and guidelines in upholding that Truth), then their can be no control over what is taught or said about this God, who others may sincerely seek to know. If there is no nucleus (organized religion) for this Truth based on revelations by the same One God, then slander and malice may be mixed with Truth and wisdom so that one seeking Truth may not know God (note: to know God isn't to acknowledge His existence; it is to have full faith and Love and understanding of God, just as one knows their wife).

I guess I am assuming that by saying that you are "pro-God" you are professing your belief and love for God. And if you believe in and Love God, then you should wish to know Him better. How does one know God without submitting to His divine Will? How does one know God without knowing where to find God? This is why Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church (which rested upon the Rock, St. Peter) as a haven for those who wanted to find all they could about their God and his Holy Family. A shepherd cannot and would not survive if he did not organize his sheep! So too, the Truths revealed by God cannot and would not survive without the Holy Mother Church, founded by Jesus Christ.

If you pray that the voice you hear gives you guidance, I am positive He will lead you home to the Catholic Church!

May God always speak to you. Amen.

Jake Wrote again:

Bryon, I don't want to seem like I'm railing on you. I just want you to be clear about religion. You wrote: "Remember it was religion and religious leaders who had Jesus nailed to the cross in the first place." This is not so! The scribes and the Pharisees did not Truly Know God, and they only handed Jesus over to be tried as a criminal. However, Christ was handed over to the government soldiers to be crucified by Pontious Pilate, a secular leader! Should we then be against organized governments? One should also note that Jesus Christ died for our sins, and to fulfill the Scriptures that He would do so. Therefore, even if it was religion and religious leaders who had Jesus nailed to the cross, it doesn't negate the fact that Christ Himself founded a religion (this is Scripturally proven).

Thanks for listening. May God be with you.

Bryon Responded:

I admit my choice of words "organized" wasn't perhaps the best word I could use to describe what I am trying to say.

Jesus Christ didn't actually found the Catholic church as it has become today but the Catholic Church wants very badly to believe this and they preach and teach it. It is as with many that good intentions and well meaning of the founder is carried on into an insult to the spirit of God and the founder of these certain religions.

Peter knew what he was doing or trying to do but Peter didn't remain to hold the reigns and maintain the correct ordination over all the church's he started. I'm not sure how many churches Peter actually started but I think you will find the ones that survived to this day the only one that is like the Roman Catholic church is in fact the Roman Catholic church. Ask yourself why if Peter started so many churches that the Roman Catholic church is so very different from all the other churches Peter started.

Before the news of Christ came to the Romans they worshiped god's to some degree and goddesses to a great degree. Jesus never once said pray to my mother and I don't think he ever said pray to himself but what he said was "Pray to my Father in my name." But the moment Peter was no longer with them the religious leaders of Rome perverted Peter's teachings telling them to pray to Mary which is something Peter would never have told them and neither would Jesus and Peter knows that. As time passed even in the early stages of the Roman Catholic church these religious leaders began to mix their pagan religions with Christianity until it has come to be what it is today. There are extreme perversions in the higher order of priests. Of them Jesus said let them alone, they are blind guides and when the blind lead the blind they all fall into the ditch. Jesus did not come to even try to bring the good news message and secrets of heaven to the religious leaders of his day because he knew they believed they were saved and would not accept the truth under any circumstances and in fact wanted to kill him because of the truth he brought to them and eventually they did. But he came to reach out to the sinners who could admit they needed his help. The more religious a person is the further they find themselves from the truth. But when a person's life is filled with the holy spirit of Christ Jesus the have no need of religion because their life itself is an example of their faith. Christ Jesus and the Father are with them each day and night communing with them. They speak to people at any given time about the message of Christ. Some Churches are closer to being correct than others. Revelation speaks of some of them and how God says he will literally spit some of them out of his mouth. One is referred to as the whore on the scarlet beast. She has perverted everything that God had given to her and then perverted to and lied to her people telling them to do things that God had not told them to do. Who do you think she is? The colors of the cloths and the type of cloths tell you she is in fact symbolic of a certain religion.

The Roman Catholics are not the only ones who have almost completely missed their mark when it comes to correct and true spirituality in Christ. I can name others who have done some of the very same things. I support a certain missionary support group training missionary pilots. The missionaries took Christianity to certain tribes and to certain islands. I could mention some like Hatti for example where people there worship as Christians in the daylight and worship in Voodoo and another certain dark religion at night. They try desperately to mix the dark spirits with the spirit of light and they have no idea just how off the mark they really are or just how dangerous it is to do what they do.

This is why I say many organized religions are filled with the influence of the deceiver. The person who founds the churches isn't always there to maintain the correct organization over it. Other men, other people with other spirits come in and they change and pervert what was intended by God.

The Catholic church today and many who try to imitate the Catholic churches are in fact imitating the spirit of the Scribes and Pharisees who Jesus called by many names and none of them were flattering. He called them white washed sepulchres pretending to be of God and speaking of God with their mouths when their hearts were far from him. These were the very people who it was written rejected the chief cornerstone who is Jesus Christ. Many religions have followed this same course over thousands of years.

I know that God can reach out and touch people's hearts despite the fact they are going to churches who are not lead by real leaders called and anointed by God, but were called and anointed by men.

You will find the churches who are closer to God than any other are the Pentecostal faiths like the Assembly's of God and other similar churches.

If God were to show you the things He has shown me you would find yourself depressed and sad for all those who believe they are saved when they do not have the keys to heaven within. To have a friend or loved one return from a flaming pit in the underworld to tell you they were wrong about what they believed in and how I had told them what was right and true and they threatened my life for telling them what God had told me to tell them. I have been inside certain churches where there wasn't one single person who was saved or who had the Holy Spirit of God in them.

Did you know it does no good for a person who doesn't have the Holy Spirit to pray for anything but the Holy Spirit ? Why, because the Father can not hear them that's why. But the prayer of the "righteous" (one who has the Holy Spirit of Christ) will be heard by the Father.

What happens so often is that people will pray for the holy spirit inside of a church and among people who do not have the Holy Spirit to give, but what they have is a spirit of religion and it deceives the people who receive it.

But when a person will pray and fast and seek the Holy Spirit and keep praying and asking until they do receive they know because they can hear the voice of God speak to them, they can feel him inside them. It is the most wonderful and wondrous things that can happen to a person in this life.

All religions who are not of God are imitators and they lead people astray as fast as they can.

But yes, the Creator is in fact the most organized of all but not in the name of religion, in the name of the Lord of Light. If you were able to see people's auras clearly you could look at a person who is saved and could tell instantly the difference between them and someone who is not saved. When the angels see us they know and they don't have to go looking for God's people because among the spirits they shine like stars.

When Stephen saw the gates of heaven open for him and spoke of what he saw the religious were even more infuriated and stoned him all the more until he was dead.

I pray that God will show you even some of the things He has shown to me then you will understand. And then you will see your mission may be to help people who think they are saved to realize they aren't and then they can go find a good Pentecostal church somewhere and realize their true mission for God. :-)

When the angels of God ask me if I wanted to stay with them or if I wanted to return here I thought about it and realized I could always return to heaven when I die but I said it is more important for me to return and to tell people what God has allowed me to see and to experience. It got me kicked out of four different churches and one of them was a small Catholic church. Two Baptist churches and one anti-instrument church or Christ. The person who returned from the dead to tell me they had been wrong and I had told them correctly was from one of those Baptist churches.

John the baptizer didn't have pretty cloths or eat fine food but I would be honored to walk and talk with him any time. Southern Baptist churches argue about the baptism of the Holy Spirit and their argument is correct so I wonder how it is so many of them manage to become baptized with the spirit of their own religion instead of the Holy Spirit of God of which they speak. I find this very sad. It is always a pleasure to find others who God has shown these things to and how they verify the things which God has shown me and how we can communicate on a level of spirituality that is unsurpassed and seldom found inside the church buildings. I have had people come to me and tell me that angels took them to different churches and showed them the spirits of the people there and how shocked and dismayed they were to discover that out of a church with several hundred people that only a handful of them actually had the real genuine Holy spirit and how it appeared above their heads like little bright white torches. One women who I refer to here said she went to the back row of the church and there saw a relative who had the Holy Spirit that appeared over her head and said "do you see what I see?" The women answered "Yes, I know, I can see them."

A preacher who God gave the gift of real time spiritual sight can see angels and demons and spirits of all kinds and he was also taken from one church to another and allowed to see all those people in the churches thinking so many were saved but he saw only a few were saved. Then he started the "White Fire Ministries" which is a type of Pentecostal church. My point being that God is showing certain people the very same things He has shown to me.

And while many are called only few are chosen. If I could I would help them all but they would certainly be some who would try to kill me for it. I hate to offend anyone and then must accept the fact they have chosen their path and there isn't much I can do for them.

God took me and showed me how the devil, that great dragon dug the paths in the earth that people follow in the name of Religion and even in God's name and how so many are so very lost. I warned the people, that is a big part of my calling. They laughed at me, they threatened to kill me they did everything that God showed me they would do. Sometimes I wish I had told the angels I would stay with them because of heard headed religious people. I have counseled people from many areas including witches, occult, and even Satanists and I have had better luck talking with them than with those who are lost in the name of religion. Then they die and come back and tell me in night visions how they were wrong and I was right. It's not me, I'm not right but the Lord told me truth and in Him I am blessed. Even the prophets who were held in the underworld until the time that Christ would die on the cross and set them free would say "didn't I rightly prophesy and tell you these things I said were of God?"

Could you please tell me how you found me? What text you read? I have been very busy and I have text out there on the Internet I have not seen or updated in over 3 years or more. I see you sending to my IPA address which is the oldest address I think I have and I don't even use the IPA website anymore.

God bless you because without him you would not have found me. According to my calling and after having my life threatened enough times God said he would send them to me. No one can receive help if they do not know they need help. No one can receive if they are not looking. It does no good to go looking for people who need help but when they come looking for help they are aware they need help and they are more likely to receive the truth than others are.

Bryon Smith Wrote again:

:-), the more religious they are the more they want to argue because the spirit they believe in that holds them and keeps their spirits bound feels threatened and it expresses itself through their emotions. I know, I have been here before and discussed this same subject with more people than I could ever count. ;-)

I know and have seen how these spirits bind people's minds and spirits in order to control them and how much like a drug it is. I know because I have been there to. I was raised in the Christian churches. It was the Campbell and Smiths who founded the New Church Restoration moment which became the Christian church. An angel showed me volumes of "books" recorded in God's library that were of the Smiths and Campbell's. I saw my name on one of the books and I began to read it. When I realized it was the book of my life I turned to read the last pages and the angel took the book away from me not wanting me to see what was in the end. I recorded these things in my dream journals. Then my brother who is also a minister of the gospel and trains missionary pilots tells me the Smith's and the Campbells were responsible for founding the Restoration Movement and the modern day Christian Churches. My dad is a Smith and my mother was a Campbell. I have ministers of the gospel on both sides of the family. I went to Price Town Ohio and discovered my Great Great Grandpa William Henry Smith was the founder of the Christian Church in Price Town and responsible for running the liquor out of the town. His name was on one of those books the angel showed me.

God bless.

Jake Wrote:

Thank you Bryon for your very in-depth letter.

I am very happy that you did not take offense to my questions.

I feel compelled to refer you to some of Scott Hanhs talks, which can be found on line by just placing his name in a search engine. He has a very very deep understanding of the Catholic Church, as it IS, and not how others perceive and distort Her teachings.

From portions of your letter it appears to me that you do not truly know what Catholics believe. Just off the top of the list is the fact that we do not pray TO Mary (as in ask her to provide). Catholics invoke her to intercede for us. Just as we pray for one another, so too can Mary pray for us.

You had also stated that Peter started many churches. This is true; but with a lower case 'c'. Peter really only started one Church (with a capital 'C'), which Christ Jesus had founded! This is what is known today as the Catholic Church. I'm not sure I understand what other Churches that differ from the Catholic Church Peter started. If you mean other Christian denominations, these can be traced back only 500 years to the Protestant reformation - which was 1500 years shy of Peter. The Catholic Church, with some effort, is the only Church that claims to, and can be, traced back the whole 2000 years. Once again, Scott Hanh is an excellent resource for information to back up this claim.

You are right in saying that "This is why I say many organized religions are filled with the influence of the deceiver." And this is true for ALL organizations, religions, governments, etc. But Jesus said that His Church, the Catholic Church as we know it today, will not be destroyed! That's strait from Scripture.

You also said "You will find the churches who are closer to God than any other are the Pentecostal faiths like the Assembly's of God and other similar churches." This claim is merely subjective. They will also tell you that they are closest to God, because they support their beliefs. And most of their beliefs are exactly the same as the Catholic Church. However, they are part of the group of Protestants that departed from the Catholic Faith in the 1500's. Therefore, although their beliefs may be similar, their church does not embody the entire doctrine of Christ revealed to Peter and still in the Catholic Church.

My letter may seem like an attempt to convert you. It is not. It is, however, intended to help you understand better why religion is necessary in order to serve God in the way that He Wills. Once one can accept religion, it is then their duty to try and find which is the true religion. I hope that I have already given you a head start :)

I do believe that you hear God. But be weary, unless one truly KNOWS God (which can only be achieved by knowing and understanding Scripture - which in itself is impossible without the Holy Spirit and guidance of the Catholic Church, founded by Christ), it is very easy for the evil one to talk to that person and deceive him/her into believing what is false. And people may sincerely believe that what is said is true, because Satan will mix truth with lie so that one cannot be deciphered from another.

Bryon, I thank you again for the time you spent to respond. And I place you into the Immaculate Heart of Mary, so that as I may waver in my duty to pray for you she will never forget to pray for you. May God Bless you and all your works.

Bryon Responded:

Actually the Pentecostals are based on the descending of the Holy Spirit upon them at a particular point in time and this in fact is the original and one church founded by Jesus Christ himself in the closed room and not even in a church building. :-) It was in a secret place among people who where in hiding and this has a powerful symbol even to this day. These are the people who were first saved of the living of that time and they were not in Rome. The only people who are allowed to see and know these secrets are those who God personally revels them to. Of which he said "My people know my voice and they will not follow another." When God's word "The Living Word of God" speaks to someone they hear it clearly and know it is God's voice. The moment they hear the voice they know that God is able to speak to them and they can hear Him and any advice they need they know they can ask and He will answer them. When God sends an angel to speak to them it is God's voice that speaks through the angel and not the angel's own voice.

The Holy Spirit descended upon them like doves in orbs and like tongs of fire. Have you see this before? Like base ball and soft ball sized ghost orbs only they have great power and look like little white fire balls.

Have you been allowed to walk with the angels among the people and see their spirits? No words or explanations are ever required after such an experience. No amount of book learning can teach a person about God, spirits and truth as fast as a walk with an angel in the spirit. :-)

Since I can't personally show you the things God has allowed me to see and to know there is nothing I can do but tell you that you are wrong in your beliefs about the Catholic church. Yes there will be many good people in the Catholic church who will be saved and not because of the church leaders but because of their own hearts and their devotion to God. Certain other religions will have people saved under the same circumstances, not because of their religion but because of their hearts leaning toward God.

No Jesus never asked Mary to pray for anyone and never told anyone to ask of Mary to pray for anyone. He did not tell us that Mary was to interceded for us he said that He would personally do that for us. The old testament Samuel's spirit was called up by the Witch of Endor into the body of a dead man to tell King Saul not to ask of the dead concerning the living. In the books of Enoch even angels ask Enoch to pray to God for them and he said "Who I am that I should pray for angels?"

It is well that people pray together for like things in the spirit. The voices of the living and those who agree in spirit will make a great sound in the heavens providing they are all in possession of the keys to the heavens and that being the Holy Spirit itself.

Preachers try to teach how Jesus's death on the Cross worked to provide salvation for us and they have very little understanding of what really happened. They are still watching the cup and the bread thinking that some how that might actually change in to the blood and body of Christ but that is only a symbol. Yes Jesus's body was broken but it was his spiritual body being broken after the ascension that provides salvation for us and in that we have the Holy Spirit. When he died he went into the underworld and took that spirit to those of his people who were held there and set them free, many dead were seen walking on the earth that day as if they were alive. When Jesus returned he spoke to Mary and she wanted to embrace him but he said do not touch me for I have not yet ascended to the Father. He said this because he carried within him the sacrifice which was his own unblemished resurrected spirit. No one was allowed to touch him until he presented himself to the Father for recognition. This he presented to the Father is a spiritual genetic code like an extremely complex combination lock in the spirit world. When he returned people were allowed to touch him, he was allowed to eat again and fellowship with his friends. But when he went to ascend his followers wanted him to stay but he told them that unless he return to the Father the comforter would not come. This being the Holy Spirit of which he spoke. It could only take place if he ascended back into the Father then divided himself into spirit form. The first example of the giving of this spirit was at Pentecost behind closed doors among people who were hidden and this is the first and only actual spiritual church that was started by Jesus himself. Not the Catholic Church, the secret spiritual church of who He still calls in secret to this day where ever they are he finds them and according to Numbers 12:6 still makes contact with these people to this day.

I see preachers fresh out of bible collages with heads full of book knowledge and not one ounce of real Holy Spirit knowledge in them and they all seem to want to argue about what is truth. They can argue with words about so many things but it accomplishes very little for them because they all think they were called and sent to save the world. When they meet a real spirit filled prophet of God they still want to argue but they have never seen the things God allows the prophets to see. Sometimes God sends me to talk with the teachers and preachers and sends me with a message for them and most of the time I don't even know what the message is until God speaks through me. They all seem amazed at the things I tell them but most of them find some little thing they want to argue about. I was not sent to argue with them I was sent to tell the what God told me to tell them and that is all I will do.

If I can help you then I will. If you have a question then I will try to answer it.

If you want to tell me to believe anything contrary to what God has instructed me then all I can say is I know His voice and I will not follow another. ( I have an entire story that goes along with that short statement but do not have time to type it up. Let me just say that the last time I tried to do what someone else told me to I found out real quick it was against God's will and I got in trouble for it. Sometimes I do argue with him but I don't like God mad at me.) I have walked with angels, I have been to heaven and back and into the underworld and back. I have been dead and the angels even asked me if I wanted to stay with them but I said no I must return and deliver this message. If it were not for God's doing I wouldn't be here now and if the devil got his way I certainly wouldn't be here now. I would get out of my body and see myself laying there as if I were dead and like this I would go on patrol. In the spirit like this I have fought demons and unclean spirits and then finally the devil himself who came after me in the night. It appears I have a lot of enemies in low places. The devil and also a demon named Nata said he would kill my wife if I didn't stop tormenting his demons and I refused. My wife was diagnosed with cancer and while in prayer to God one night for her God allowed me to get out of my body and to reach inside her and pull the worm from her. Her next trip to the doctor they found no trace of the cancer and that was more than 15 years ago.

The more God teaches me the more I learn and the more I learn the narrower my path becomes. I have very little margin of error now and must not stray from the path God has set me upon. He sends the angel who whacks me on the point of the right elbow then calling me by my name delivers message.

I go in the spirit as God sends me and visit different churches and different church leaders and can tell you things about them they certainly do not want to believe in or for anyone else to become aware of. I visited a secret Mormon church meeting to, saw the men and women who went there and saw them checking off the names on a secret admission list then the women came to me and I said. "I do not believe I belong here." She said "you are right you don't." I walked back outside and saw the dead tree in the yard and the dead leaves on the ground then the wind blew and I saw a tombstone in the walk that had the Mormon Church's name on it. God showed me several things that trip about the Mormons and I feel sorry for them to but I can't help them. I can only wait here for people to contact me or go where God sends me when He sends me. My very life depends on me doing exactly what God tells me personally to do. I have made many enemies among the spirits of darkness and a lot of them know exactly who I am. The only protection I have is God's spirit and His angels with me and I have that as long as I do what God asks of me. Three great big angels hover over this property all the time. The demons don't dare come here anymore because the moment they do the Holy Spirit wakes my spirit and I get out of my body and go after them turning them away before they ever get here.

I guess there's not much else I would rather talk about with people but this is why I am here. I do have other jobs though and I stay very busy. I seldom get to read my own mail especially if it is very long. I didn't get to read all of your last message either but I need to get some sleep and prayer time in so I need to go. I work 7 days a week and once in awhile I will get an hour or two off to watch a movie. Perhaps tomorrow I will find time to finish your message, I will try but I can tell you know that while I enjoy the discussions I am not about to change my path or my mind about the things God has all ready shown me. You should not waste your time or mine with that kind of discussions. When God wants me to know something else He always tells me Himself. :-)

Do you remember what happens to the prophets of God when they didn't do exactly as they were told? You might even remember one who was sent to a ruler to deliver a message and told not to even let the sun set upon him in that city because God had turned his back on those people. Then another prophet sent his son out and lied to this other prophet telling him that God had said it was all right for him to come and eat with them. The other prophet said if God said it then it was all right but God had no told the other prophet any such thing. When this prophet left he was killed by a lion on the road and when the other prophet who had lied only wanting to meet this other prophet of God he knew what he had done and how that deception had cost this other prophet his life.

When you teach someone something you better be spiritually certain it is the truth. If it is not or if you are not quite sure but only have book knowledge to back you with then you better not teach it at all. If you are wrong you could cost someone not only their life but their soul as well. This is the kind of care I put into what I teach. If I make even a small mistake and God warns me then I am fast to tell who ever I was talking to that I had made a mistake.

You know my own dad says "God doesn't talk to people anymore and there's no such thing as a prophet today." But then he has not heard, seen or experienced the things God has allowed me to see. It is rare that I am able to find others who have the same or even a close similar calling but I am very glad when I can meet them.

God bless.

Jake Wrote:

You wrote: "Yes there will be many good people in the Catholic church who will be saved and not because of the church leaders but because of their own hearts and their devotion to God." I don't know about any other churches, but the Catholic Church certainly is totally in agreement with this statement. No Church leader ever claimed to be able to "save" anyone, except through the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ! If they did, they should be excommunicated for heresy. Also, "The old testament Samuel's spirit was called up by the Witch of Endor into the body of a dead man to tell King Saul not to ask of the dead concerning the living." Many protestants also use this statement (it's a classic for them) to refute asking the dead to pray for us. However, it is taken out of context. When we ask Mary and the Saints to pray for us we are not asking for fortune telling or for them to reveal our future as was the case in the above statement. When you try to invoke a the spirit of a dead person for the sake of knowing the future, this is "asking the dead concerning the living". But asking them to intercede for us is different. And we don't ask just the dead to pray for us, they are the Saints and the Souls of those who are assuredly in Heaven (able to pray for us). It does no good to ask the soul of someone in Hell to pray for us. Next, you wrote: "They are still watching the cup and the bread thinking that some how that might actually change in to the blood and body of Christ but that is only a symbol." This is also a "classic" protestant argument. But if you read the Bible when Jesus said "unless you eat my body and drink my blood, you have no life in you", you should note that all the Jews and many disciples were utterly disgusted and left. Did Jesus run after them to tell them that it was merely symbolic? NO! In fact he stated the same sentence almost five (5) different times in that same passage, and then turned to the 12 Apostles and asked if they would leave also. This surely is no symbol. And if Jesus can walk on water (or is that merely symbolic also), then far be it from Him to change bread and wine into His Body and Blood. Furthermore, if you look back to the Old Testament, what did the Israelites have to do in commemoration of the Passover? Eat the body of the lamb, whose blood was used as a symbol of their salvation! Jesus recreates, and over-rides, the Old Testament Passover (OT covenant), by becoming the New Lamb, whose blood would save our Souls (not just our bodies). And while in the upstairs room preparing for the Passover (His Passover, in which he would be the sacrificial Lamb) he said "take this and eat of it, for this is my Body which will be given up for you...". Note also that there was no forth cup drunk (which should have been the case for the OT Passover). Jesus said, "I shall not drink of the fruit of the vine, until I am with my Father in His Glory". Instead they went off to the garden to pray. That is when Christ is handed over, and fulfills his sacrificial role. When He is on the cross at the point of death, he said "I thirst", and then he drinks the forth cup and sends His Soul into Heaven! The Catholic Church is the only Church that recognizes this fact. I'm not sure I understand when you say "I have walked with angels, I have been to heaven and back and into the underworld and back." All of us walk with angels, we are each assigned a guardian angel (Scriptural), and whether we know it or not, we walk with them all the time. As for going to Heaven or Hell, unless you are speaking metaphorically or visually, then I have to disagree. One may be shown Hell (or what it is like), or Heaven (or what it is like). But once a soul is committed to Hell, there is no coming back. And once a Soul enters Heaven and sees the Glory of God, the body immediately parishes, until the resurrection of the second coming of Christ. I just want to know one thing: How is it that you are sure you know who God is? How is it you know His voice? We can know Gods voice by becoming familiar with it through scripture, right? But then how does one understand Scripture? The Protestants all claim that their interpretations are correct, but there are like hundreds of Protestant sects which all interpret the Bible "correct". Well, which one is correct? Which one was inspired? The Catholic Church has documented its interpretations and has NOT skewed from them in the 2000 years of it's existence. It has constantly updated the teachings, as they are revealed - because the Word of God is a Living Word which grows and increases our understanding - in Gods time. But it has never Changed its teachings! The Pentecostal Church was not founded by Christ, and this is evident by its lack of history and its teachings, which do NOT embody Christ's teachings. The Pentecostal Church only covers one aspect of the revelation of Christ; the Baptism of the Holy Spirit (which the Catholic Church also has). But it doesn't have the Body and Blood of our Lord. It doesn't have the special Sacraments that Christ gave us. It doesn't have the leadership and guidance of a Pope (there is good info on why we have a pope - look on Scott Hahns web), who is INFALLIBLE when teaching on Spiritual and Moral subjects. They may claim to have been THE Church, but a close look at Holy Scripture will show one otherwise. I would encourage you to grasp a better and clearer knowledge of Scripture (the Holy Bible, which is the Word of God). You may be able to hear God, but God would want you to know all about Him, and all about His Son, His chosen Mother, and those whom He has personally chosen to enter into His Glory. You are very close to God - and He has given you a very special grace to be able to hear Him. I ask for your prayers, that I may be able to hear and understand God better. Thank you.

Bryon Wrote:

Ok, last night I asked God if he had any special messages for you or me and he did in fact answer me in the midnight hour. This is not a joke, it is the truth. You will no doubt understand some of it better than I will because you know your life and I don't.

He said *You need to stop talking so much and start listening for a change.

It seems he has heard your prayers in your search for him and has been trying to answer you on some specific questions but you refuse to listen to Him. This is why he lead you to find me so that I could put it in English for you. This is good because it means He has in fact called you but it is very important that you learn to hear him when He speaks back to you. Your spirit is bound by that spirit of religion that has lied to you and that lie and misconceptions are keeping your spirit bound so that you can not hear him and can not function as He wants and needs for you to.

He said *He did create only one Church and that is the One True Church but it is not housed in a building made by human hands and is not directed by human religious leaders but He Himself is the head over that One True Church which is his Bride.

If you take all the people of the world inside churches and outside of churches who have the Holy Spirit in them from everywhere you find them then you will begin to understand what the One True Church really is. You will begin to understand how it is possible that this One True Church will live forever because it is not a physical place it is a spiritual place and if the entire earth be destroyed this is the Church that will not be destroyed. He went on to say he deliberately did not establish any physical churches built by human hands on earth for this very reason knowing that humans and their religions and desire to control everything would pervert it and tell people that some specific place on earth was the One True Church and would use that lie to mislead people with.

Then he surprised me by telling me that He did in fact inspire a specific movie named The Stigmata for the very reason you came to find me. He said *The Catholic religious leaders keep killing my messengers. Then he said *They keep trying to kill my messengers.

I'm personally not aware of them killing anyone but I wouldn't be surprised. The Roman's killed Jesus himself at the order of the Jewish religious leaders. I am aware they kill the truth and discourage and do all kinds of bad things to God's real messengers but they are not the only church that does that to us.

Evidently there's a great deal that God wants to talk with you about but if you are not able to accept the truth about these things then you end up being one called but not chosen. It is better to be called and to serve, I know because at first I did some running from Him but as you can see I didn't get far. Answering messages about religion for people here on line (and off) is one of my main callings and I do not charge them for my time but will only communicate with them if they actually listen. I'm allowed to deliver a message as many as 3 times and then I am allowed to discontinue and move on to someone else. Even God gets frustrated with people and gives up on them. I have one guy who was a Satanist who I have counseled for more than 3 years now and he's finally coming around. I continued with him so long because he was actually trying to understand instead of trying to correct God for his own mistakes. I have had several people send me messages trying to straighten me out telling me that Jesus was the devil and that Lucifer was actually God. This guy had been told that same thing to but some of them are very insistent on their perversions try to "fix what's wrong with me" and I must literally tell them to leave me alone because there is no help for them until they come seeking help.

I try to give the best and truest advice that I can and that only comes from God. Sometimes I give quotes for what He says and sometimes I put it in my own words and that all depends on if God is satisfied with my own words or not. If He is then that's how He allows me to do it. If he isn't then he speaks quite loudly and sometimes even puts it in writing in bold highlighted type. When He does that I put the message into quotes. :-) He indicated that everything I have told you so far He wants to you know and to believe but He had the extra messages specifically for you that I was not aware of until He told me.

The path into the Light is just that, a path that must be walked by each individual who is called into the Light. We do not start off with all the answers but we must walk the path make our mistakes and find the answers and we must spend a certain amount of time on our knees along that path and we must listen for Him to answer. If we do everything correctly the Light of Truth will cause the binds that hold us here to be removed. The binders and blinders that tell us to go this way and that to lead us astray from the correct path. These are the paths that God showed me the dragon had dug in the earth. These are the paths that lead to all the religious denominations on earth today. It is not wrong to go to churches and fellowship with people there but there you will also find the concepts that bind people's souls. Some churches are closer to God and truth than others are and I go visit them in the spirit now and then as God allows me to. Sometimes God leads me to go in person and see these people and places.

If you have not seen the movie Stigmata you should watch it. If you have seen it you need to watch it again and pay close attention remembering that it was inspired by God Himself concerning the Catholic Church and concerning the fact that God does not dwell in churches or houses built by human hands. He is the personal saviour who dwelled with John the baptizer and Elijah and Elisha in the wilderness. He was with the people of Israel as they wandered in the desert for 40 years and He will not be confined to a building built by human hands and bearing a human given name.

I guess you can see I would rather do this than work but I have a long hard day ahead of me.

God bless.

-- Jake Huether (jake.huether@lamrc.com), July 11, 2002

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-- jake huether (jake.huether@lamrc.com), July 11, 2002.

Jake:
Now you know how the devil operates in the world. Byron is a good example of self-absorption ruled by the devil; a magnet that attracts delusions of grandeur and the conceits of the world.

The points he's tried to make to you about ''churches'' and the evils of the Catholic Church aren't new. These are stock antireligious pronouncements you could find in any number of anti- Catholic tracts. In the last two centuries a variety of this evil material has been circulated all over the English-speaking world. It was a distillation of this which gave the devil power over Byron. Very possibly the devil has even taken Byron's reason away, or submerged it under a mania of its own sort. You can't help but think he's deranged, saying he hears God telling him everything. It might be a true mental illness.

I would advise you to quit writing to this man. Before he's through, he'll hurt others seriously; instilling in the innocent or unwary a dangerous influence from which they'll never recover. He is the world's child, Jake. He belongs to the world, and is swayed by the world's malice, like a reed in the wind.

You've attempted a helping hand, but it may be the devil who keeps him in a state of helplessness. Pray for him. Let him know you do; and explain it's for the salvation of his immortal soul. Don't humor his fancies; they come from the evil one. He is the father of lies; and we know his work in the lies of his children. So, only with the truth should any good catholic reply to such a person. Firmly, but with charity; tell him his soul is endangered and therefore you'll be praying for him. It's your best course with Byron; because from now on he'll say whatever he thinks ''God'' wants; your arguments won't persuade him. He believes he speaks for God.

This is the way cult leaders like Jim Jones and David Koresh misled their congregations. It's how many are spiritually destroyed by Satan. We'll all have to pray for Byron.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), July 11, 2002.

I kind of got that feeling too, Eugene. I seem to think that our friend Bryon is really fooled:(

To bring this into the picture, Byron mentioned that I should watch the movie Stigmata. He says that it was "inspired by God". I really cant imagine anything Hollywood being inspired by God (but then again God can do anything). Has anyone seen this movie? Can you agree with Bryon, that it was inspired? You can find his statement in his last paragraph, though I wish you would read the entire dialogue to help me out. Thanks.

In Christ.

-- Jake Huether (jake.huether@lamrc.com), July 11, 2002.

Although this may surprise (and anger) some people, I would like to state that if I were recommending a recent movie about the Church to a nonbeliever, it wouldn't be "Stigmata" but (ready?) "Dogma."

(waiting for boos and catcalls to die down.

Yes, yes, I know all the arguments against it, but please, hear me out. I saw this movie back when I was a very strong atheist. It really made an impact on me. Why? Because the filmmaker, Kevin Smith, REALLY BELIEVES in God and conveys this belief - that God actually exists and so does the Devil - through this movie.

Yes, it does have a lot of gross-out stuff and yes, some of the theology is flawed. But what really made an impression on me was the final scene, when we see God (in human form) turn around and walk inside the Catholic Church, where, it is implied, He actually LIVES.

Pretty impressive stuff for an atheist, especially when you consider this: my (now ex-) boyfriend and I went there fully intending to see a mock-those-crazy-Christians movie, and instead, got into an argument on the way home - because I wanted to stop at a Catholic Church for a few minutes!!

Worth a shot ...

Love, :-)

-- Christine L. (christinelehman@hotmail.com), July 11, 2002.

Thank you Christine for your comment.

Although it may draw non-believers closer to the truth, it certainly (in my opinion) is a mockery of true dogma. I hope you can appriciate this now:)

Thanks anyway.

In Christ.

-- Jake Huether (jake.huether@lamrc.com), July 11, 2002.

Dear Christine, Jake, et al:
I haven't seen either Dogma or Stigmata. Neither is inspired by God, I have to think.

You could save us the trouble of watching and make a capsule review of the films, if it pleases you. I'm a little impressed by what Christine says. If at the time she was strongly atheistic, there must be something good about Dogma. --???

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), July 11, 2002.

The movie that brought me out of my doldrums was " Sister Act " having brought me to tears. All of Hollywood is not evil.

-- Jean Bouchard (jeanb@cwk.imag.net), July 11, 2002.

I saw the Stigmata and do not believe it was inspired by God, although my pastor loved the movie..it was very scary..and I don't understand why the girl got the stigmata. I should watch it again. If I remember correctly, in Stigmata, didn't he find the 13th commandment in the end where it said that God is not in a building or something like that? It was quite a while ago when I saw that movie.

I would like to see Dogma...never heard of it. If it is on video, I will rent it.

MaryLu

-- MaryLu (mlc327@juno.com), July 11, 2002.

Great work Jake! Long post but for me it was well worth it. I dont have the knowledge to add much but enjoyed your excellent and concise answers. Thankyou.

-- kiwi (csisherwood@hotmail.com), July 11, 2002.

Jake, I commend you on your patience, forebearance, and wisdom. I would give this over to the Lord now, Byron is His business now. I pray the seeds you planted will not be lost or stolen.

-- Theresa Huether (rodntee4Jesus@aol.com), July 11, 2002.

Eugene,

How are you? Hope things are fine? Just asking as you rarely post now a days. I’ll pray for you.:-)

Peace & Prayers

-- Xavier (xavier_david24@yahoo.com), July 12, 2002.

Jake,

Sorry for that off topic discussion. Your post on this thread is worth, though lengthy.

Peace & Prayers

-- Xavier (xavier_david24@yahoo.com), July 12, 2002.

My computer is crashing off and on. If only I could junk it and buy a new one.

-- eugene c. chavez (chavezec@pacbell.net), July 12, 2002.

Score: Three cheers for Bryon! And none for the ignorant!

"I pray the seeds HE planted will not be lost or stolen." BUT WITH A FASCIST MODERATOR ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. :-)

-- T (SYT@YYY.COM), July 13, 2002.

Jmj

I am not going to criticize anyone who recommended either "Dogma" or "Stigmata" above. In fact, I cannot even remember who said what about them. All I can say is that I have repeatedly read bad things about both movies from Catholic sources that I trust, so I strongly recommend that no one view them.

To back me up on this, I want to reproduce the reviews of the films from the site of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. I normally don't quote from their reviews, because I have found the (lay) reviewers to be abnormally liberal and tolerant of gravely sinful activities portrayed on screen. But even those liberal guys and gals were able to see how bad "Dogma" and "Stigmata" were:

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"Dogma" -- Because of anti-religious buffoonery, intense violence, sexual references, substance abuse, assorted vulgarities, profanity and recurring rough language, [we rate this film] (O) -- morally offensive. [It had a Motion Picture Association of America rating of "R" -- Restricted.] "Dogma" is a sophomoric religious satire in which a heavenly messenger persuades the last descendant of Joseph and Mary to leave her job in an abortion clinic and set out to stop a pair of fallen angels from regaining heaven by means of a plenary indulgence. The unfunny proceedings rely on a mindless mix of irreverence and absurdity in poking fun at biblical characters and Christian stereotypes. November 1999"

"Stigmata" -- Dizzy horror hokum about a priest-scientist (Gabriel Bryne) sent by the Vatican to investigate reports of stigmata-like wounds on the wrists of a Pittsburgh woman (Patricia Arquette), then turns to protecting her from demonic forces as well as the psychotic Cardinal (Jonathan Pryce) behind a Vatican plot to suppress a supposed "lost Gospel" that would render the institutional Church irrevelant. Director Rupert Wainwright keeps the bogus plot boiling with sexual innuendo as the priest is drawn to the young woman, scary interludes of demonic special effects and a hokey conspiracy plot that a misleading epilogue suggests is truth rather than fiction. Exploitative use of religion with an anti-Catholic flavor, frequent violence involving the stigmata and demonic attacks, a shadowy sexual encounter, occasional profanity and rough language. [Ratings:] (O) (R) (1999)
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God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), July 13, 2002.

Jmj

I guess I ended that last post too soon, because I was quickly able to find what the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights had to say in 1999 about the two movies:

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[On "Dogma"]
On April 7, [1999?] Miramax announced that their co-chairmen, Bob and Harvey Weinstein, will personally buy the film rights for "Dogma" and will look for a new distributor for the film. Miramax is owned by Disney. In a letter dated July 17, 1998, Catholic League president William Donohue wrote to Disney CEO Michael Eisner regarding the film. "From what I have learned," he said, "it looks as though Catholic sensibilities will be offended once again. Perhaps it is not too late for something to be done about this." Donohue requested a meeting with the Disney chief, but Eisner never replied. Donohue, who has read the script, announced the Catholic League’s new position today:

"Michael Eisner made the right move to dump ‘Dogma.’ As a result, the Catholic League will not target Disney. But the Weinstein brothers, and writer/director Kevin Smith, are another story. Smith says the movie is ‘intended as a love letter to both faith and God almighty.’ But in the movie, Joseph and Mary have sex and a descendant of theirs is a lapsed Catholic who works at an abortion clinic; it is said of Mary that ‘Believing a wife never humped her husband—that’s just gullibility’; God is played by a singer known for her nude videos and songs about oral sex; the 13th apostle resembles Howard Stern; the Mass is compared to lousy sex. This sounds more like hate mail than a love letter. Ben Affleck, who stars in the movie, was more honest: ‘these things, definitely, are meant to push buttons.’"

[On "Stigmata"]
Tamara Collins, a research analyst at the Catholic League, previewed the MGM movie "Stigmata" and labeled it "an anti-Catholic bomb of a movie." The film ... was an attempt to use a supernatural thriller as a vehicle for making a political attack on the Catholic Church. Well before it opened, Entertainment Weekly said that the movie would "give the Catholic League a conniption."

"The thrust of the plot," said Collins, "is that there exists a lost gospel of Christ, whose message —- that the kingdom of God is inside us and all around us, not in buildings made of stone —- would thoroughly undermine the legitimacy of the Catholic Church. Naturally, Church officials, hell-bent on preserving their power, will stop at nothing (including violence, if necessary) to suppress this gospel." Collins added that "Particularly insidious were the references to such Catholic figures as Padre Pio and St. Francis of Assisi."

In a release to the media, the League offered this account: "MGM risks attenuating its prestige by backing such an outlandishly gory an insidious film as ‘Stigmata.’ The idea that salvation can best be achieved by rejecting the Catholic Church is and old and very tired idea. The good news is that there exists a small audience for such an exploitative film, and all the hype and technical effects in the world can do nothing to redeem this bomb of a movie."

The Catholic League is delighted that some film critics actually branded "Stigmata" anti-Catholic. The New York Post labeled it "jaw-droppingly anti-Catholic," USA Today branded it "an anti-Catholic screed masquerading as a horror film" and the Washington Post blasted it as "a vicious anti-Catholic diatribe disguised as an audition tape for MTV." We couldn’t help but notice that neither the New York Times nor Ted Turner’s CNN found "Stigmata" to be anti-Catholic.
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God bless you.
John

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), July 13, 2002.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, John. Now I for sure won't watch Stigmata. It is very clear to me that this is where our dear friend Bryon got his views (a movie?, Uh). Oh well. We definitly need to wage war (by prayer) on this anti-Catholic (i.e. Anti-Christ) society.

I went to the mall yesterday. Geeesh! It looked like an underwear convention! I felt like I needed to hit the confessional after that. God bless our children!

Mother Mary, please, please point our children (especially the young girls) to your Son, our Lord, Jesus Christ. Amen.

In Christ.

-- Jake Huether (jake.huether@lamrc.com), July 13, 2002.

This is probably too late... but o well...I'm just browsing and happen to see this discussion. I am proud to have a brother like you Jake, U answer Bryon with love and humbleness. U already do your part and let God do the rest. To be honest, my sprit was troubled when reading Bryon's explanation. I watched dogma and stigmata, they are not inspired movies at all! There are logical explanations for every thing that the movies point out about our dearest Catholic Church.

-- Irwanny Halim (irwanny@hotmail.com), August 12, 2003.

Stigmata is possibly one of the least offensive films ever, from a Catholic perspective, because at the very least it admits the existence of God and the crucial role of the Church. i am not defending it; but if our great Catholic brethren are suddenly going to get all militant, how's about all the other pornography laden, immoral, mindless trash that Holywood churns out so regularly? and that includes all that violence-laden rubbish starring the, as the media like to say, "devout" Mel Gibson.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), August 12, 2003.