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I need some advice from you goat experts!! I thank you in advance. My neighboor has nine goats. She recently was wondering why the newest male that she bought about six months ago was not impregnating her females. She found out he has no testicles (he is also hornless) and wants to give him to me because she does not think he is useful in her goat pack for breeding. Okay here is the problem. I have one neubian/african pygmy pet goat who is around ten years old (and she happens to be obese). If I adopt this shy hornless male goat (he has neubian-looking ears but could just be a dairy goat) could he impregnate my ten year old doe (who has never been pregnant and I do NOT want to breed her). I did alot of looking around on the internet and found a little research with hornless goats being hermaphrodites. Was this male just castrated at a young age or are his testicles still inside him?? I wormed him and her pack yesterday and when we were holding him down I looked between his legs to see if I could see any suture line or marks of castration....if he was castrated would there be any kind of marks?? He is the most one year old and the shiest goat out of her pack. He always stays towards the back and will not come up to you for food as some of her other does do. I really want to adopt him but did not want to risk him getting my Flapjack (my senior doe) pregnant. This boy again has no testicles but has a penis. Even if his testicles were inside (and he was not castrated) could he still get her pregnant?? Any advice on this I would really appreciate. Flapjack lost her mother about a year and a half ago (partially due to a mistake the university made when she was sick). I wanted to get her a friend and thought this sweet male would work. Flapjack does not have horns either and is somewhat shy but sweet as well. THANK YOU!!!
-- Ingrid Herrmann (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 12, 2003
Just me (Ingrid) adding to my original message. I forgot to mention that the guy who sold my neighboor this male goat has just recently bought a trailer full of goats at some type of auction so this guy does not know the history of this male goat either and was surprised after he sold this male goat to my neighboor that there were no testicles...
-- Ingrid Herrmann (email@example.com), April 12, 2003.
I would guess he has been cut at an early age. If he came out of a sale barn, the ones around here will not run anything through with out clamping them. Wish I had better advice.
-- bergy (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 12, 2003.
Why would a sale barn be so eager to take their testicles off? (just curious) AND wouldn't there be some kind of mark on him from being castrated then?? (I had not seen anything when I looked, not even thru the fur unless they heal that good) Thanks for answering.
-- Ingrid Herrmann (email@example.com), April 12, 2003.
Does he smell? If not, he's a wether (was castrated). And chances are, he was also disbudded, too. Hermaphrodites are usually female appearing. Naturally polled animals have a different shpaed head, and where the horns should be, there's just hair. Goat who were disbudded often have a small bald area on the hornbud area. Wethers cannot impregnate anything. They don't even try.
-- Rebekah (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 14, 2003.
Thank so much, this makes sense. I do have one other small concern. My neighbors property and mine are just divided by a wire fencing. Once I adopted Prancer (the name of this male goat she wants to give me), I wanted to put him in a smaller pen so he could get used to me. I wanted to do this for at least a month. Once I let him out to start grazing with Flapjack would he go over to the fence and want to go after his original pack of eight goats? Because at least once or twice a day her goats come up to the fence line and graze. Or will he hopefully adjust to just my one goat and my property? Ingrid
-- Ingrid Herrmann (email@example.com), April 14, 2003.
The sale barn dosen't sell breeding stock, it sells for market. Bulls, boars, or a billy are harder to handle, and they don't want them getting in the wrong pen.
-- bergy (firstname.lastname@example.org), April 14, 2003.
Hi Ingrid, I have had so many "Goat People" help me out with ?'s, I hope I can be of some service to you. I think it is going to depend on how long "Prancer" has been running with your neighbors herd and how attached he is to them. I beleive you said he keeps to himself most of the time so maybe he will be glad to be away from a bigger group that may be intimidating to him. Good luck I hope everything works out for you and Flapjack, as well as Prancer wherever he ends up! --Kriste Everett ("The Goat Lady")
-- kriste (email@example.com), April 27, 2003.
first try playing with his penis, if his balls drop out when he gets hard then he still has the swimmers for your flapjack to get pregnant. Other than that, if you are playin with his stick, see if he shoots blanks. I hope this helps with your concerns.
-- trey stevenson (rancid99@Hotmail.com), June 12, 2003.
one time i was out with my uncle milking some dairy cows when out of nowhere this goat came up to me and looked into my eyes as if it wanted something from me.....so i kicked it in the testicles and shoved a pitchfork directly up its ass...that wasnt the smartest idea. not long after a herd of cattle ran up and began ramming me into a corner, so i had think quickly because i didnt have much room to breathe. i then pulled out my trusty pocket knife and slashed my way out of there...boy i'll tell ya those cows are sure bloody on the inside, boy i'll tell you i'd hate to be a butcher
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HAVE YOU SEEN in asian country's how badly women are treated. The are burnt alive wiuth acid and stuff get beaten by their husbands, can't work. If men are so weak because of their balls then why is this happening to women? EVEN IN EUROPE millions of wives are beaten up by their husbands, so why don't the abused women hit the guy in the balls and beat him up. Somestic violence to men does happen but very RARely, only thousands of Amercian men get abused but MILLIONS of women do
women have to act a certain way, talk, walk, cross their legs, dress a certain way and more BUT MEN can do what we like, show as much of are body as we like, be really sweaty and dirty and drink alot and burp and fart when we want cos were "MANLY" and tyhat means were we are naturally stronger, have more sex drive, can eat more without getting fat, dont have to act lady like (cross legs and do nails etc.), being "manly" we act how we like. and we can dress how we like without people calling us sluts. Women aren't taken seriously (not many female presidents, spokesMAN or rich buisness women. MEN OWN THE WORLD. the most powerful country in the world is America and most of its leaders, politicains and spokepeople are all men. the richest people in the world are mostly men.
And yeah its MANkind, policeMAN, be a MAN not a mouse, be MANLY. Being GIRLY means being weak.
Conclusion; men and womens genitals are equally sensitve so that puts us equal. BUT everything I said above puts us on the edge.
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To me women are more than just special they are the future for mankind just try to see if the (Male) species can reproduce and have a baby for 9 months.Women are more sexual and can take on many more guys at once 3 at least!.. than "MEN" that wear out sooner.Women can be very strong and more flexible than men..check the internet.women are smart why are there more teachers than men?The bible mentions man was made first then God made woman to love man and have children so Mankind would not die out. I dont see on the internet that Man can out perform or even get close to the sexual capacity of a FEMALE. I am an old guy with a lot of experience sorry guys I just dont buy "that man is superior crap"! At best Man might be equal to women in some area's but look at the miserable past history of war's generated by Man and his exteem crualty to women in customs,religeous ways of FGM,CONTROL,PAIN,FORCED SEX etc forget it Guys just LOVE THEM !
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