St. Benedict Medal

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Good Sunday Morning Friends,

I thought it would be nice to share some miraculous stories of the St. Benedict Medal.

A dear friend of mine sent me a medal blessed by a priest. It is alleged the medal is the most powerful tool against demonic warfare. Well I had an occasion to use this medal last week and I wanted to share the story.

My husband is a farmer. He has been cutting and baling hay for ourselves and our neighbors for the last several weekends. Our neighbor (a pentecostal lady) asked him to cut and bale her's. The first day he was over there cutting hay, which should be an easy task, EVERYTHING and I do mean EVERYTHING BROKE DOWN. One thing right after another. Breaking blades. Breaking chains. Breaking guards, cycles, hayboards. You name it, he broke it. He says "that place is haunted over there or something," so I said "Hey, I'll get that medal and ask for the prayers of St. Benedict and all those prayer warriors in heaven to pray against demonic forces." Next day, he went back to Ellen's and everything went like clockwork!

Cool, huh!

Gail

P.S. I might add that this precious lady has been involved in some very "mysterious pentecostal" practices in the past that would seem to cross the line possibly into the occult, and has had some very creepy things occurring on her property!

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), July 20, 2003

Answers

Gail,

I wear the Medal of St. Benedict religoiously (heh).

If anyone wants one, blessed with the Benedictine exorcism blessing, drop me an email. I'd love to get one out to you.

-- jake (jake1REMOVE@pngusa.net), July 20, 2003.


I can't think of enough good things to say about this medal; when I can think of a few things to say well enough to do it justice, then I'll post it.

In the mean time, take jake's offer.

-- Emerald (emerald1@cox.net), July 21, 2003.


Yes this medal is certainly a gift from God and I am proud to say I am educated at a Benedictine school in London.

Some other powerful sacramentals include the Holy Face Medal, Miraculous Medal, Green Scapular, Our Lady Mediatrix, St. Padre Pio relic medals and my personal favourite - The Bown Scapular

-- Aandrew Swampillai (andyhbk96@hotmail.com), August 06, 2003.


Several weeks ago someone up and handed me a first class relic of Padre Pio; that was a surprise.

-- Emerald (emerald1@cox.net), August 07, 2003.

I would like to know how I could get a ST. BENEDICT medal with the special blessing against the evil one. Things are hard for my family. PLEASE HELP. I DO HAVE A ST. BENEDICK ROSARY. this was not by chance I found this web site. thank you Jesus. Your sister in Christ, Elena

-- Elena (lovelyangel@catholic.org), August 11, 2003.


To those who asked for St. Benedict medals (and maybe one or two of you who didn't), sorry for the delay. They are going out in today's mail. They have been blessed by a Benedictine priest using the Benedictine exorcism blessing.

I included with your medals a little booklet on the life of St. Benedict written by Pope St. Gregory the Great, which also has a section in the back about the history, use, and indulgences attached to this wonderful sacramental; and some great old Benedictine prayers.

-- jake (jake1REMOVE@pngusa.net), September 09, 2003.


Some other powerful sacramentals include the Holy Face Medal, Miraculous Medal, Green Scapular, Our Lady Mediatrix, St. Padre Pio relic medals and my personal favourite - The Bown Scapular

I have and "religiously" wear the Holy Face Medal. The devotion and story behind it is truly, truly beautiful! These sacramentals are true treasures!

Gail,

Thanks for sharing your story. I don't doubt for one moment that a person who practices or dabbles in the Occult has some truly "creepy" things happening in their lives.

-- Regina (Regina712REMOVE@lycos.com), September 09, 2003.


Personally, I think it's the prayers of a devout person that brought relief, and not a medal. To say "the medal did it" IMO is to flirt with idolatry.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), September 09, 2003.


Frank, take another look at what Gail wrote:

"Hey, I'll get that medal and ask for the prayers of St. Benedict and all those prayer warriors in heaven to pray against demonic forces"

I think you're more than aware that neither Gail nor anyone else here in any way attributed any sort of magical powers to the medal itself. That's a perversion of Church teaching on sacramentals.

-- jake (jake1REMOVE@pngusa.net), September 09, 2003.


Here's more.

P.S.

Frank if you (or anyone else) would like a medal, I ordered a few extra. Just say the word.

-- jake (jake1REMOVE@pngusa.net), September 09, 2003.



Hi, jake

If you still have one left with the prayers. Keep me in mind?

Hi, Regina

I have the Holy face medal too, and the big picture framed in my house. I'm sure you're aware of www.holyface.com, but just in case someone wants to read. I hope your baby is doing great.

Hi, Frank

There you go again. Slow down bro. :-)

-- David (David@excite.com), September 09, 2003.


David:

Already done :-)

-- jake (jake1REMOVE@pngusa.net), September 09, 2003.


Hiya, David!

I have the Holy face medal too, and the big picture framed in my house. I'm sure you're aware of www.holyface.com, but just in case someone wants to read. I hope your baby is doing great.

Did you by any chance mean www.holy.*org?* I ask because I tried to view holyface.*com* and it was all in French. I tried the "English" option but nothing happened. In any event, I was unaware of www.holyface.org. I just got back from visiting the site and it's just great!

There's a monastery not too far from us dedicated to the Holy Face. They used to offer the indult at their tiny little Chapel (chock full of terrific relics, including, I think, a piece of The Cross) and offered traditional devotions during weekday evenings. Unfortunately the Bishop put a stop to this and even made them take out the Communion rail.

They have a great little bookstore, too, with lots of terrific books, video tapes, images, sacramentals regarding the Holy Face. The next time we head up there, I'll let you know. If I can pick you up a book or something, let me know.

The baby is doing just great, thanks! I sure hope all is going well with you and you family.

-- Regina (Regina712REMOVE@lycos.com), September 09, 2003.


Hi, Regina

I just tried www.holyface.com and clicked on the English and got in there. One can get a Holy Face medal at no charge except for the stamps to mail them. Maybe if you try later ou can get in there?

Take care,

-- David (David@excite.com), September 09, 2003.


Jake,

Actually, I was attempting to commend Gail for her prayers. I think they would have been equally efficacious *without* a medal. Something that is very much in line with Catholic teaching as well.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), September 09, 2003.



If having the medal around inspired her to pray by reminding her of the great power of St. Benedict's intercession, then perhaps the absence of the medal might have resulted in the prayers not being said.

We agree that sacramentals are not good luck charms and do not convey grace on their own. I just think we may differ on the value and importance attributed to them.

-- jake (jake1REMOVE@pngusa.net), September 09, 2003.


That's probably true.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), September 09, 2003.


yes, i sent a request for a St. Benedict medal...and it was rejected by the server...I WOULD REALLY LOVE TO HAVE ONE. God bless REGINA

ps..i understand they were blessed by a benedict priest,,,with a special blessing

-- regina pollock (regina@nb.sympatico.ca), November 05, 2003.


Regina (love the name!):

Check your email.

-- jake (j@k.e), November 05, 2003.


Although not Catholic, I find that the medals somehow seem to help me concentrate with the (my) prayers. I too have requested a St. Benedict medal but have had the email bounced back.

-- RayW (rwphlgemuth7@cox.net), November 08, 2003.

Although not Catholic, I find that the medals somehow seem to help me concentrate with the (my) prayers. I too have requested a St. Benedict medal but have had the email bounced back.

Sorry this is posted twice email add. was wrong. maybe one of these days I'll learn how to spell my own name.

-- RayW (rwohlgemuth7@cox.net), November 08, 2003.


Ray:

Check your email.

U.I.O.G.D.

-- j@ke (j@k.e), November 08, 2003.


I would really love to have a blessed St. Benedict medal. I sent an email, but it was rejected. It would greatly help me. God Bless

Bradley Rentz, A.M.D.G.

-- Bradley Rentz (btrentz@fuse.net), November 16, 2003.


i thank god that make it possible for me be a catholic menber and uchenna i so much love st benedict medal but i dont know how i can get it

-- uchenna okereke (uchman334u@yahoo.com), December 01, 2003.

I only have one left. Check your email. Send me your address via email & the medal is yours.

-- jake (j@k.e), December 01, 2003.

I would really love to get a St. Benedict Medal with the special blessing. Could anyone possibly help? Please????

Liz

-- Elizabeth Neill (lizneill@interisk.com), December 11, 2003.


Liz:

As it happens, the last person who asked for a medal did not get back to me w/ their address, so the last one I have is yours if you want it. I'm happy to report that through this forum, I've given out the 10 medals I had. Check your email. The medal is already blessed with the special Beneictine exorcism blessing.

-- jake (j@k.e), December 11, 2003.


Thank you so much Jake. Did you get my reply to your email with my address? I just want to make sure because my email has been acting a bit odd.

God Bless!

-- Elizabeth M Neill (lizneill@interisk.com), December 11, 2003.


I got your email, and I just finished addressing your envelope.

-- jake (j@k.e), December 11, 2003.

Indulgences Attached to Medal of St. Benedict (by the Brief of HH Benedict XIV 12 March 1742)

I. Those who devoutly carry about their persons the medal of St. Benedict, may gain a plenary indulgence on the following festivals:

Christmas Day - Epiphany - Easter Sunday - Ascension Day - Whit Sunday - Trinity Sunday - Corpus Christi The Immaculate Conception - The Nativity of Our Lady The Annunciation - The Purification - The Assumption - All Saints' Day - Feaast of St. Benedict(21 March)

Besides the usual conditions of confession and Holy Communion, and praying, according to the intentions of the Pontiff, it is requisite, in order to gain the above mentioned indulgences, that one should perform habitually, that is to say, once at least in the week, one of the following pious practices:

Recite the Chaplet of our Lord or the Rosary - Or a third part of the Rosary - Or the Divine Office - Or the Little Office of Our Lady - Or the Office of the Dead - Or the Seven Penitential Psalms - Or the Gradual Psalms - Or Teach the rudiments of faith to children or the poor - Or Visit those who are in prison - Or Visit those who are sick in hospitals - Or Give relief to the poor - Hear Mass

II. A plenary indulgence to him who, being at the point of death, after having made his confession and received Holy Communion, if he be able, or, if not, after having made from his heart an act of contrition, shall devoutly recommend his soul to God, and shall invoke with his lips, or, if he cannot do more, at least in his heart, the Holy Names of Jesus and Mary.

III. A plenary indulgence, the same as that which is given by the Sovereign Pontiff by the Papal benediction at St. Peter's of the Vatican on Maundy Thursday and Easter Sunday, is granted him who, being truly penitent, having confessed his sins and received Holy Communion on those same two days, shall pray for the exaltation of Holy Mother Church and for the preservation of the Supreme Pontiff.

IV. The indulgence and remission of a third part of the punishment due to his sins to him who, by his good example and advice, shall lead a sinner to repentance.

V. An indulgence of 20 years, once each week, to him who shall daily pray for the extirpation of heresies.

VI. An indulgence of seven years and seven quarantines to him who shall perform the several pious works specified in No. I. on the lesser feasts of our Lord and of our Lady; for example, the Circumcision, the Holy Name of Jesus, the Transfiguration, &c.; the Visitation of the most Blessed Virgin, her Presentation, her Seven Dolours, the Holy Rosary, &c. The same indulgence, on the same conditions, for the feast of St. Joseph, spouse of the most holy Virgin, of St. Maurus, St. Placid, St. Scholastica, and St. Gertrude.

VII. An indulgence of seven years and seven quarantines to him who shall hear, or, if he be a priest, shall celebrate Mass, and pray for the prosperity of Christian princes and for the tranquillity of their states.

VIII. An indulgence of seven years and seven quarantines each time, to him who, out of devotion to the Passion of our Lord Jesus Christ, shall fast on Fridays, or in honour of the Blessed Virgin Mary on Saturdays. He who shall have performed either of these two fasts during a whole year, shall gain a plenary indulgence on a day of his choice, when, having made his confession, he shall receive Holy Communion. Should he happen to die during the course of the year, during which he had the intention of keeping up this pious practice, he shall obtain the same indulgence.

IX. An indulgence of seven years and seven quarantines to him who shall say the Rosary or Chaplet in honour of the Immaculate Conception of the most Holy Virgin Mary, beseeching her to intercede with her Divine Son, to obtain for him the grace of living and dying without committing a mortal sin.

X. An indulgence of seven years and seven quarantines to him who shall accompany the most Holy Sacrament when carried to the sick. This indulgence is in addition to those already granted by the Supreme Pontiffs to the faithful who practise those devotion.

XI. An indulgence of one year to him who, having examined his conscience, and being truly penitent for his sins, shall be resolved to avoid them for the future and to confess them, and shall say five Paters and five Aves. If he go to confession and receive Holy Communion, he shall on that day gain an indulgence of ten years.

XII. An indulgence of two hundred days to him who shall visit those who are in prison, or those who are sick in hospitals, rendering to them some service of charity; the same is granted to him who shall teach Christian doctrine, or as it is called, catechism, either in the church or at home, to his children, neighbours, or servants.

XIII. An indulgence of one hundred days to him who, on Fridays, shall devoutly meditate on the Passion and Death of our Lord, and say three times the Lord's Prayer and the Angelical Salutation.

XIV. An indulgence of one hundred days to him who, out of devotion to St. Joseph, St. Benedict, St. Maurus, St. Scholastica, or St. Gertrude, shall say the psalm Miserere, or five Paters and five Aves, begging of God that He will, by the intercession of these His Saints, preserve the Holy Catholic Church, and grant him a happy death.

XV. An indulgence of one hundred days to him who has the habit of saying, at least once in the week, the holy Rosary or Chaplet, or the Office of our Lady, or that of the Dead, or only the Vespers and one Nocturn and Lauds of the same Office, or the seven Penitential Psalms, with the Litany of the Saints and the prayers which follow it; or five Paters and five Aves, in honour of the most Holy Name of Jesus or of His five Wounds; or five Aves, or the Antiphon, We fly to thy Patronage, &c., with one of the approved collects, in honour of the most Holy Name of Mary.

XVI. An indulgence of fifty days to him who, before saying Mass, going to Holy Communion, reciting the Divine Office or the Little Office of our Lady, shall say some devout prayer.

XVII. An indulgence of fifty days to him who shall pray for those who are in their agony, and shall say for their intention three Paters and three Aves.

XVIII. An indulgence of forty days to him who shall say, once or oftener during the day, this ejaculatory prayers, "Blessed be the most pure and Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary."

XIX. He who shall pray to God to spread the Order of St. Benedict shall enter into a participation of all and each of the good works, of what kind soever, which are done by the Order.

XX. He who through sickness, or any other lawful impediment, cannot hear, or being a priest, cannot say, Mass, nor recite either the Divine Office or the Office of our Lady, nor, in fine. perform the other acts of virtue enjoined for the gaining the above indulgences, may supply them by reciting three Paters and three Aves, followed by the anthem, Salve Regina, &c., adding to these prayers the following aspiration, " Blessed be the most Holy Trinity! and praised be the most Holy Sacrament, and the Conception of the most Blessed Virgin Mary, conceived without sin!" If the indulgence intended to be gained be a plenary one, it is necessary to confess one's sins and receive Holy Communion. But should one not have it in his power to do this, he must at least be contrite in his heart, and be firmly resolved to confess his sins when opportunity serves.

All the indulgences here mentioned are applicable to the souls in Purgatory.

The Decree expressly forbids the selling of the medals after the indulgences have been attached to them; as also the lending of them to other persons, for the purposes of communicating the indulgences. It also reminds the faithful, that in case a person loses an Indulgenced medal, and procures another in its place without having had the indulgence attached to it by a priest who has the power, such a person does not enjoy the same favours as those who have had their medal properly blessed.



-- jake (j@k.e), December 15, 2003.


Jmj

Dear Catholics,

The previous post, concerning indulgences, etc., connected to the Medal of St. Benedict, is not completely without worth. However, it should not have been posted in its entirety, because a major portion of it is obsolete and of no benefit to us.

It is likely that some kind of indulgence(s) is/are attached to this medal -- but not everything that is listed above. I am actually torn between telling you these things and asking the moderator to delete the above post, since it is so inaccurate. Well, I'll leave it up to the moderator to retain, or to delete, both of these posts.

Pope Paul VI, in the late 1960s, completely revised the Church's indulgences and published a handbook thereof. In this revision, the pope reduced the number of indulgenced prayers and actions, and he completely did away with the former custom of speaking of numbers of days/weeks/years of indulgence (remission of some of the temporal punishment due to sin). Now there are only "plenary indulgences" and "partial indulgences" (with God deciding how slight or how great is the effect of a given prayer or act).

The saddest thing about this is that the previous message-poster was aware of the pope's revision of indulgences, but he intentionally posted the worthless and inaccurate information about "days" (etc.) of indulgence anyway. He even had the childishness to make them stand out in bold type. This extremely spiritually sick individual did this either to show his total disrespect for the pope or to show his hatred of me, who recently reminded him that this system of indulgences is now obsolete. Please join me in praying that this warped spiritual midget may some day regret, and confess, the scores of mortal sins he has committed at this forum.

God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), December 15, 2003.


Before posting something so lengthy, kindly proofread to ensure that you have not left html tags open.

That said:

Stabat Mater

At the Cross her station keeping
Stood the mournful Mother weeping
Close to Jesus to the last.

Through Her heart His sorrow sharing
All His bitter anguish bearing
Lo! The piercing sword had passed.

O how sad and sore distressed
was the Mother, highly blessed
Of the sole-begotten One.

Woe-begone with heart's prostration
Mother meek with the bitter Passion
Saw She of her glorious Son.

Who on Christ's dear Mother gazing
In her trouble so amazing
Born of woman would not weep?

Who on Christ's dear Mother thinking
Such a cup of sorrow drinking
Would not share Her sorrow deep?

For His peoples' sins rejected
Saw Her Jesus unprotected
Saw with thorns and scourges rent.

Saw Her Son from judgement taken
Her beloved in death forsaken
Till His spirit forth He sent.

Fount of love and bitter sorrow
Mother may my spirit borrow
Something of Thy woe profound.

Unto Christ, with pure emotion
Raise my contrite heart's devotion
Love to read in every wound.

Those five wounds on Jesus smitten
Mother, in my heart be written
Deep as in Thine own they be.

Thou, Thy Savior's Cross who bearest
Thou, Whose Son's rebuke who sharest
Let me share them both with Thee.

In the Passion of my Maker
Be my sinful soul partaker
Weep till death and weep with Thee.

Mine with Thee be that sad station
There to watch the great salvation
Wrought upon the atoning Tree.

Virgin, Thou of virgins fairest
May the bitter woe Thou bearest
Make upon me impression deep.

Thus Christ's dying may I carry
With Him in His Passion tarry
And His wounds in memory keep.

May His wounds both wound and heal me
He enkindle, cleanse, anneal me
Be His Cross my hope and stay.

May He, when the mountains quiver
From the flame which burns forever
Shield me on the Judgement Day.

Jesus, may Thy Cross defend me
And Thy Mother's prayer befriend me
Let me die in Thy Embrace.

When to dust my dust returneth
Grant a soul that to Thee yearneth
In Thy Paradise a place.
Amen.

An indulgence of 7 years. Plenary, under the usual conditions, if recited daily for a month. (S.C. Ind., June 18, 1876 - S.P., Ap.Aug. 1, 1934).

-- jake (j@k.e), December 15, 2003.

The above poem from the old "Raccolta" is very beautiful and is still sung in many churches during Lent. But when quoting it, any reference to an indulgence in terms of a specific "time period" must be omitted, because it is obsolete and no longer in effect. Pope Paul VI revised the Church's indulgences in the late 1960s. Get a copy of the latest edition of the Church's "Enchiridion Indulgentiarum" (Handbook of Indulgences) for full information. (The original edition can be found on the Internet.)

[The fact that I am posting this kind of message for a second time on this thread (after three times on another thread) should tell the Moderator that the schismatic/heretical gelding who keeps defying Pope Paul VI needs to be banned from this Catholic forum.]

JFG

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), December 16, 2003.


Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, bless us now and in the agony of death.

(300 days Indulgence - Pope St. Pius X, June 9, 1906)

-- jake (j@k.e), December 16, 2003.


The above ejaculation from the old "Raccolta" is very beautiful. But when quoting it, one must omit any reference to an indulgence in terms of a specific "time period," because such a reference is obsolete and no longer in effect. Pope Paul VI revised the Church's indulgences in the late 1960s. Get a copy of the latest edition of the Church's "Enchiridion Indulgentiarum" (Handbook of Indulgences) for full information. (The original edition can be found on the Internet.)

[The fact that I am posting this kind of message for a third time on this thread (after three times on another thread) should tell the Moderator that the schismatic/heretical eunuch who keeps defying Pope Paul VI needs to be banned from this Catholic forum.]

JFG

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), December 16, 2003.


The fact that I am posting this kind of message for a third time on this thread (after three times on another thread) should tell...

...you that your repeated objections have gone ignored.

Learn.

That said;

The faithful, whenever they recite a third part of the Rosary with devotion, may gain: An indulgence of 5 years. A Plenary indulgence on the usual conditions, if they do this for an entire month.

If they recite a third part of the Rosary in company with others, whether in public or in private, they may gain:

An indulgence of 10 years, once a day; A plenary indulgence on the last Sunday of each month, with the addition of Confession, Communion and a visit to a church or a public oratory, if they perform such a recitation at least three times in any of the preceding weeks.

-- jake (j@k.e), December 16, 2003.


The daily recitation of the Rosary or some part of it is a great thing. However, it has no indulgences attached to it in terms of days/weeks/months/years.

In speaking of indulgences, a Catholic must now omit every reference to an indulgence in terms of a specific "time period," because such a reference is obsolete and no longer in effect. Pope Paul VI revised the Church's indulgences in the late 1960s. Get a copy of the latest edition of the Church's "Enchiridion Indulgentiarum" (Handbook of Indulgences) for full information. (The original edition can be found on the Internet.)

[The fact that I am posting this kind of message for a fourth time on this thread (after three times on another thread) should tell everyone reading, especially the Moderator, that "Jake," the schismatic/heretical goat who keeps defying Pope Paul VI, needs to be banned from this Catholic forum immediately (if not sooner).]

JFG'

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), December 16, 2003.




-- (1@2.3), December 16, 2003.

Those who piously recite a third part of the Rosary in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament, publicly exposed or even reserved in the tabernacle, as often as they do this, may gain:

A plenary indulgence, on condition of confession and Communion.

Wow. Such an easy thing to do. Indulgences can also be applied to the Holy Souls.

-- jake (j@k.e), December 16, 2003.


DECREE CONCERNING INDULGENCES

"Whereas the power of conferring Indulgences was granted by Christ to the Church; and she has, even in the most ancient times, used the said power, delivered unto her of God; the sacred holy Synod teaches, and enjoins, that the use of Indulgences, for the Christian people most salutary, and approved of by the authority of sacred Councils, is to be retained in the Church; and It condemns with anathema those who either assert, that they are useless ; or who deny that there is in the Church the power of granting them." Council of Trent, Twenty-Fifth Session

-- jake (j@k.e), December 16, 2003.


Do not lie and try to mislead people into thinking that I have "asserted that [indulgences] are useless." Or, if you are not being dishonest, then you are showing your gross ignorance [inability to read and understand English] -- because what I wrote was this:

"In speaking of indulgences, a Catholic must now omit every reference to an indulgence in terms of a specific 'time period,' because such a reference is obsolete and no longer in effect."

Those words of mine do not in the least "assert that indulgences are useless." What they reflect is the truth -- which you are flippantly rejecting by insulting the Holy See. And here is the truth ...
Pope Paul VI totally suppressed all old references to "nnn days/weeks/months/years indulgence" -- replacing those with the simple term, "partial indulgence" (leaving it to God to determine the merit of the work actually performed in each case). For many centuries, people (even mosts priests) didn't understand the actual meaning of the old terms anyway. By "two years indulgence," the Church has explained, she never literally meant that a soul left purgatory exactly 730 Earth-days sooner than it would have without the indulgence.

But -- thank heaven -- "plenary indulgences" still exist. Not all prayers/actions that formerly had "plenaries" attached to them still do -- as decided by Pope Paul VI. But among those retaining a "plenary" is the one mentioned above -- concerning the praying of the Rosary before the Blessed Sacrament. In fact, I think that the pope expanded this one to include praying the Rosary in a family group, even outside of a church.

It is not correct to say that a plenary indulgence (for Rosary) can be gained merely "on condition of confession and Communion." Nor is it correct to say that gaining a plenary indulgence is "an easy thing to do." [In fact -- nota bene -- it is an impossible thing to do for the schismatics and heretics of the world.] Besides the "work" specified, plus Confession and Communion (shortly before or after), plus prayers for the pope, a person must have total "detachment" from all sin -- even venial sin. If any element is missing, then the best that can be gained is a partial indulgence. [Schismatics and heretics are at least in venial sin, and very likely in mortal sin, so they can never gain a plenary indulgence. If in mortal sin, they cannot even gain a partial indulgence. How ironic, then, a schimo-heretical pseudo-traditionalist is posting a lot of things about indulgences at this forum!]

God bless you.
John

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), December 17, 2003.


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Do not lie and try to mislead people into thinking that I have "asserted that [indulgences] are useless." Or, if you are not being dishonest, then you are showing your gross ignorance [inability to read and understand English] -- because what I wrote was this:

"In speaking of indulgences, a Catholic must now omit every reference to an indulgence in terms of a specific 'time period,' because such a reference is obsolete and no longer in effect."

Those words of mine do not in the least "assert that indulgences are useless." What they reflect is the truth -- which you are flippantly rejecting by insulting the Holy See. And here is the truth ...
Pope Paul VI totally suppressed all old references to "nnn days/weeks/months/years indulgence" -- replacing those with the simple term, "partial indulgence" (leaving it to God to determine the merit of the work actually performed in each case). For many centuries, people (even mosts priests) didn't understand the actual meaning of the old terms anyway. By "two years indulgence," the Church has explained, she never literally meant that a soul left purgatory exactly 730 Earth-days sooner than it would have without the indulgence.

But -- thank heaven -- "plenary indulgences" still exist. Not all prayers/actions that formerly had "plenaries" attached to them still do -- as decided by Pope Paul VI. But among those retaining a "plenary" is the one mentioned above -- concerning the praying of the Rosary before the Blessed Sacrament. In fact, I think that the pope expanded this one to include praying the Rosary in a family group, even outside of a church.

It is not correct to say that a plenary indulgence (for Rosary) can be gained merely "on condition of confession and Communion." Nor is it correct to say that gaining a plenary indulgence is "an easy thing to do." [In fact -- nota bene -- it is an impossible thing to do for the schismatics and heretics of the world.] Besides the "work" specified, plus Confession and Communion (shortly before or after), plus prayers for the pope, a person must have total "detachment" from all sin -- even venial sin. If any element is missing, then the best that can be gained is a partial indulgence. [Schismatics and heretics are at least in venial sin, and very likely in mortal sin, so they can never gain a plenary indulgence. If in mortal sin, they cannot even gain a partial indulgence. How ironic, then, a schimo-heretical pseudo-traditionalist is posting a lot of things about indulgences at this forum!]

God bless you.
John

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), December 17, 2003.


The faithful enrolled in the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, for devoutly kissing the scapular are granted

an indulgence of 500 days, each time the Scapular is kissed. - Pope Benedict XV

The Raccolta is a big book. Let's keep going.

-- jake (j@k.e), December 17, 2003.


Do not lie and try to mislead people into thinking that I have "asserted that [indulgences] are useless."

All I did was quote from the Council of Trent.

What you have written, you have written.

-- jake (j@k.e), December 17, 2003.


A worthless fool can waste time posting every word that is in the entire "Raccolta," and he will simply see confounded every one of his insults of Pope Paul VI. (Meanwhile, his soul will be getter blacker and blacker with sin.)

Next example of the fool's confoundment:

When a person who is enrolled in the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel kisses the scapular, she does not gain "an indulgence of 500 days." She does gain a "partial indulgence," if she is properly disposed and if that act is listed as an indulgenced act in the new "Enchiridion Indulgentiarum."

JFG

-- (jfgecik@Hotmail.com), December 17, 2003.


i tried to send you an email jake for a st benedicts medal but the email came back. is your email addy working?

-- jen (txjen444@aol.com), January 04, 2004.

I'm all out of medals, happily. I sent you an email. I might order more in the near future, but I don't have any immediate plans.

-- jake (j@k.e), January 07, 2004.

I'm getting more St. Benedict medals in, probably arond the first of the year. They will be blessed using the full-on, high-octane solemn exorcism blessing imparted by a Benedictine priest. If anyone wants one, I'm at sempertrad at yahoo dot com.

-- jake (j@k.e), December 14, 2004.

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