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-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@gmail.com), November 28, 2005.

I have made this mistake, but the New Testament only cancels out the Law of Moses. Or am I wrong? Where does it say that we should throw out the Old testament and Just keep the New one?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 23, 2003

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Also, the reason why the New Testament doesn't cover somethings is because hey have already been said.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 23, 2003.

The New Testament tells us what parts of the old law no longer apply, but the rest still stands. God, knowing what man may try to do with his word, tells us in Deuteronomy 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish aught from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you."

-- k.v. (Moderator@here.com), July 23, 2003.

David,

The OT was [and is] for our LEARNING - Rom. 15:4; 1 Cor. 10:6, 1 Cor. 10:11; 2 Cor. 3:1-18.

The OT was CHANGED - Heb. 7:12, Heb. 8:7, Heb. 8:13, Heb. 10:9; Eph. 2:13-15; Col. 2:14.

The OT ENDED at the death of Christ - Heb. 9:15-17; Gal. 3:16, Gal. 3:19, 3:24-25, Gal. 5:4, Gal. 5:18.

The OT was FULFILLED - Rom. 8:4, Rom 13:8, Gal. 5:14, Luke 21:22.

The OT is NOT how we are to be saved, nor is it how we are to worship today.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 23, 2003.

k.v. wrote, "The New Testament tells us what parts of the old law no longer apply, but the rest still stands"

Please provide book, chapter and verse from the NT where this is indeed the case???

The old law was nailed to the cross (Col 2:14).

The law was a tutor to bring us to Christ. (Gal. 3:24)

The law as given in the OT was for the Jews ONLY and we are NOT Jews.

The OT has NO AUTHORITY for us today, but we still must study and learn to do our best not to make the same mistakes they did over and over again.

According to Galatians 5:3, the man who uses the Old Law to bind circumcision is "a debtor to keep the whole law."

Earlier, in Galatians 3:10, Paul stated, "For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them"

So, the person who returns to the OT for his authority for one practice is scripturally obligated to live by all of its authority! If not, why not?

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 23, 2003.

Tattoos. Can you give me one example in the New Testment that prohits Tattoos?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), September 24, 2003.

That should be "prohibits"

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), September 24, 2003.

Uh......Revelations when it makes a reference to the "mark of the beast".....uh?

It also doesn't say anything about coloring our hair orange or blue, but I think the "temple" should be a little more conservative in attire or fashion.

rod

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 25, 2003.

I don't think that Jesus came to cancel the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses was God's Law, not Moses'. Jesus came to give more meaning to the Law that was given by God. "[T]he New Testament only cancels out the Law of Moses. Or am I wrong?"(David). The New Testament explains the extended purpose of the Law, the extended purpose of the law. The real purpose of the Law was/is to Love each other as brothers in Christ. Jesus then provided Salvation for all who believe on His sacrifice on the cross. The Law does not give us Salvation, but it does give us the bench marks for righteous living.

rod..

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 26, 2003.

When my family eat out, we are served chips and salsa. We munch on that until the real food is served. The appetizers work wonders on the taste buds and growling stomach, but the main course nurishes the body. Sometimes it is agonizing to wait for the real food, but we wait patiently; that is why we are there to accept the real food in the first place.

rod..

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), September 26, 2003.

I think that one purpose for the old law was, as you said Rod, to get the people ready for the Messiah. But Jesus formed a new covenant, because the people of Israel violated the first one, it was necessary to have a redemtion plan. Kind of shows us how much love God has for human life.

Just for clarification, are we talking about the old law or the old testament? The 10 commandments weren't given until after the hebrew people were released out of egypt , therefore Genesis isn't a part of the old law.

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), November 24, 2003.

SACRED TRUTH :

THE ROCK ~ THE PILLAR AND FOUNDATION OF TRUTH ~

THE MAGISTERIUM OF THE 2000 YEAR OLD MOST HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH SAYS :

THE UNITY OF THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS

The unity of the two Testaments proceeds from the unity of God's plan and his Revelation. The Old Testament prepares for the New and the New Testament fulfills the Old; the two shed light on each other; both are true Word of God.

The Church, as early as apostolic times, (1 Cor 10:6, 11; Heb 10:1; 1 Pet 3:21) and then constantly in her Tradition, has illuminated the unity of the divine plan in the two Testaments through typology, which discerns in God's works of the Old Covenant prefigurations of what he accomplished in the fullness of time in the person of his incarnate Son.

Christians therefore read the Old Testament in the light of Christ crucified and risen. Such typological reading discloses the inexhaustible content of the Old Testament; but it must not make us forget that the Old Testament retains its own intrinsic value as Revelation reaffirmed by our Lord himself ( Mk 12:29-31). Besides, the New Testament has to be read in the light of the Old. Early Christian catechesis made constant use of the Old Testament ( 1 Cor 5:6-8; 10:1-11). As an old saying put it,

the New Testament lies hidden in the Old and the Old Testament is unveiled in the New (107 Cf. St. Augustine, Quaest. in Hept. 2, 73: PL 34, 623; cf. DV 16).

Typology indicates the dynamic movement toward the fulfillment of the divine plan when "God [will] be everything to everyone." (1 Cor 15:28) Nor do the calling of the patriarchs and the exodus from Egypt, for example, lose their own value in God's plan, from the mere fact that they were intermediate stages.

The Old Testament proclaimed the Father clearly, but the Son more obscurely. The New Testament revealed the Son and gave us a glimpse of the divinity of the Spirit. Now the Spirit dwells among us and grants us a clearer vision of himself. It was not prudent, when the divinity of the Father had not yet been confessed, to proclaim the Son openly and, when the divinity of the Son was not yet admitted, to add the Holy Spirit as an extra burden, to speak somewhat daringly. . . . By advancing and progressing "from glory to glory," the light of the Trinity will shine in ever more brilliant rays. (St. Gregory of Nazianus, Oratio Theol.)

-- james (elgreco1541@hotmail.com), November 24, 2003.

Luke,

Would you please tell us what books you deem as not part of the old law.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), November 24, 2003.