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What happens when the truth of God is presented to someone and they reject what you have to say?

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 26, 2003

Answers

Here is what happens, they BAN you from writing any more in their forum.

Here is the first post that I wrote that was DELETED by the Moderator.

Gail wrote, "I think further discussion is pointless."

The point is there has NOT been much discussion from you at all now Gail has there? All you do is point the finger and tell people they do not know what they are talking about and NEVER bother to PROVE IT. You said on another thread that when "PROTESTANTS" couldn't handle the "heat" they would drop the subject and move on to something else. Well this most certainly is NOT the case here now is it??? The word of God is sufficient for "casting down" Catholic arguments that "make the word of God of no effect" through your own traditions.

Gail wrote, "P.S. Kevin, you need some help man, seriously!"

Unfortunately Gail, the truth is right in front of you "in your Bible", and you do NOT see it. Truly you have been blinded by the "god of this age." (2 Cor 4:1-4).

Eugene,

I wrote, "Accusation + NO PROOF = SHALLOW WORDS."

To which Eugene replied, "Wrong, Mr. Bigot. --Your own words accuse you. The proof is evident in your own SHALLOW interpretations of God's revealed truth."

Please notice once again how Eugene does NOT attempt to correct my "SHALLOW" interpretations of God's words, but instead says, "Your own words accuse you." This does NOT surprise me as Eugene does NOT like having to argue from the word of God as is apparent from his dislike of arguing from scripture.

Eugene wrote, "For instance, in your bigotted haste to heap scorn on Catholics (something evil by definition,) Your falsehoods stick out like horns: ''Note how 2 Thessalonians 3- 12, speaks specifically of the Pope "who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. "--whereas, Thessalonians says nothing remotely as you interpret. You convict yourself of evil intent and misconstruing the Word of God."

Really Eugene, does the pope claim the "place of Christ on earth"? Yes or No? Is the pope called "his holiness"? Yes or No? This is a title that belongs ONLY to God. Does everyone have to submit to the "authority of the pope". Yes or No? We are to submit to God, NOT some man who claims to take His place. (See James 4:7). This is just a small sampling of the pope who makes these arrogant claims that he can usurp the authority of Jesus on this earth. Please tell everyone here what will happen to those who do NOT submit to the authority of the pope?

Eugene wrote, "You apply words of the epistle to your OWN ends, which is simple heresy. The meaning of that verse clearly refers to Antichrist. You are closer to him than the Vicar of Christ; who adores Christ, as all catholics do. A Vicar, let me inform you, who definitely worships God -- and never was or ever will be ''worshipped'' by our Church. -- You flounder around with: [the Pope] ''showing himself that he is God,'' in blinded self-absorption. Did you expect this forum to believe these lies? It's a mortal sin to bear false witness, Kevin. You have committed a grave sin in the public forum. "

No, I have presented the truth and you have rejected it. Yes, this does refer to the "Antichrist", a title which fits the pope to a "T". He claims that one can be saved without faith [an infant], so this makes him and all who follow him "Antichrist", for they DO NOT LOVE THE TRUTH and change the word of God to fit their own false doctrines. You make the claim that you "adore Christ", but indeed "in works you do deny Him" (Titus 1:16). You claim that you "worship God", however, you just as the Pharisees before you do err NOT knowing the truth. The prophet Isaiah also spoke well of the Catholic Church when he said, "'These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men." (Matt 15:8-9). Unfortunately, there is NO "false witness" here except those who continue to suppress the truth [Catholics], and continue to be in total opposition to His words, the very words by which we ALL will be judged. (John 12:48). One more thing, there is NO such thing as a "mortal sin", this is another term invented by the Catholic Church.

Eugene wrote, "You've borne false witness against the true Vicar of Christ in the world. He succeeds Saint Peter, which makes him holder here on earth --of the keys of the kingdom of heaven. It's easily shown in the Bible, which you profess to worship (as God itself). --You make no sense at all, except to other bigots like yourself. You continue to serve the devil. I formally request our Moderator begin deleting every new post you interrupt us with. Starting this day, July 5, 2003."

This is another figment of Catholic imagination that the pope "succeeds Saint Peter". This nonsense is NOT even hinted at in the word of God. The ROCK in Matthew 16:18 [petra], is the SAME WORD used to describe Jesus in 1 Corinthians 10:4. Please notice how this verse reads, "For they drank of that spiritual Rock [petra] that followed them, and that Rock [petra] was Christ." So, it is Jesus who is the ROCK on which His Church was built and NOT Peter. It is also interesting that this is another passage in which Catholics twist to their own destruction. The Church is built on the foundation of the apostles [PLURAL] and Jesus Christ is the CHIEF CORNERSTONE. (Ephesians. 2:20).

Eugene wrote, "We'll see whose words are ''shallow'' Bigot." Continue to call me names Eugene, they will do nothing except to show the level of your intelligence. This is all people do here in this forum when they CANNOT answer someone who uses the word of God effectively to cast down their arguments. Yes, we will "see" whose words will be "shallow" on judgment day won't we Eugene? I will continue to be led by the Holy Spirit and work out my own salvation "through the word of God", and you can continue to believe the lie in which the Catholic Church has told you that "tradition" is also the word of God. We will be judged by how our works are in accordance with what is WRITTEN, and NOT by what is NOT WRITTEN.

-- Kevin (Nomail@noemail.com), July 05, 2003.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 26, 2003.


Here is the second post that was deleted by the Moderator. This was posted in the "What happens to people who have never heard of Christianity thread."

Eugene wrote, "Since you are hardly one to say WHAT the holy Spirit would have or wouldn't have done in the NT, this is rejected. And-- Peter means ROCK, not ''boulder''."

Well, if "Peter means ROCK", then why did the Holy Spirit inspire two different words to be written, "Petros" [which is Peter] and "Petra" which is a boulder? Why did the Holy Spirit NOT specifically state in Matthew 16:18, that "And I also say to you that you are Peter [petros], and on [petros or on you] I will build My church,"??? Here is why, Because Jesus DID NOT state that the Church was built on Peter, but ON THE GOOD CONFESSION THAT JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD!

Eugene continues to show his intelligence when he calls my words "idiotic" and states "ABOVE ALL: Who cares what Kevin ''says again''--???"

If you do "NOT CARE" what I write, then why do you bother to respond? You still have NOT proven this to be the case except to throw out accusations that have NO basis in the truth which is the word of God. The REAL TRUTH of the matter is that the Church was founded just as promised, let's let God speak concerning this matter, "having been BUILT ON THE FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone," (Eph 2:20).

It is interesting to note that there is NO mention of one apostle being above all the others now is there? If Peter was going to be above all of the other apostles, they [the other apostles] most certainly didn't know this to be a fact, otherwise they would not have argued about who would sit at Jesus right hand in Mark 10:35-45.

One more thing, the ONLY time Peter taught the gospel to the Gentiles was when he was sent to the house of Cornelius. The preaching of the gospel for the Gentiles was given to Paul, and NOT Peter. (See Galatians 2:7-9).

Maybe one day before it is too late Eugene God will open your eyes to the TRUTH, for the TRUTH is located in the word of God, and it DOES NOT take a rocket scientist to figure out and understand what God has PLAINLY and CLEARLY taught what one must do to be saved in His word. If God said the Church was to be founded upon Peter, He most certainly would have WRITTEN in language CLEAR enough for ALL to understand. The fact of the matter is, it is Jesus who is head of the Church, and NOT some man who claims to usurp His authority here on earth. You continue to REJECT what God has said, and it will be your words of REJECTION which will judge you on the last day.

Paul,

You do err, NOT knowing the truth, the verse in question is NOT saying Peter is the rock on which the church is built, but rather it contrasts Peter's name to the rock on which the Church would be built. Jesus compared Himself several times to lifeless objects, a temple in John 2:18-22, a door in John 10:7, a vine in John 15:1-11. Here, Jesus compares Himself to a Rock, and this was a name often used for God in the OT (See Ps 31:3, 71:3). The foundation of the church is NOT built on Peter, it was built on the truth that Peter had just confessed, that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God (verse 16).

To say Peter is the foundation would be to put a man in the place of God, which is EXACTLY what the man of "SIN" in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 is said to be GUILTY of accomplishing.

It is Jesus who is the CHIEF SHEPHERD, and NOT the pope. (See John 10:11,14).

To exalt a man into the position of God is blasphemous and those who do so will suffer the vengeance of God for their error.

-- Kevin (Nomail@noemail.com), July 06, 2003.

This is what the Moderator (Paul) wrote after he deleted my post:

Dear Kevin,

Enough is enough. None so ignorant as those choose ignorance by closing the door to truth. Go peddle your silliness somewhere else.

-- Paul (PaulCyp@cox.net), July 06, 2003.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 26, 2003.


Thank you k.v. (aka Mr. Moderator). I try real hard NOT to call anyone names and you will never hear (read) any profanity coming from any of my posts.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 26, 2003.

Agh yes, those were some good times in the Catholic forum. I don't know why they banned me though....I would have gotten tired (just like CS has already) of repeating the same thing anyways.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 27, 2003.

God Bless guys!!!!

David

how is it going? Is this forum home? Boy I tell you that catholic forum has bee a huge experience. Honestly I do not boast on the knowledge the Holy Spirit has given me, and I don't take the credit either because I am not that smart at all. But it was like talking to dead bodies. I feel bad how much wickedness is being taught in that forum. I don't know how God takes so much!

Thanks for the invite. Perhaps we could learn from one another and begin a fruitful forum.

Peace.....

-- Christian Soldier (embasador333@yahoo.com), July 27, 2003.



It's going fine, we need more people to come to the forum, but I'm sure it will attract more visitors in the future. Well one thing I learned from those Catholics is how to witness to Catholics over here in Texas.

Satan has a strong hold on them, the older the catholic the harder it is for him to see the truth. Their pride and arrogance gets in the way. There should be more movements to evangelize to young Catholics, before it becomes to late. I hope we could start a fruitful forum too. In time, it will grow.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 27, 2003.


David?

I tried to warn you about being banned. I guess my post was deleted before you had a chance to read it.

rod

Uh, please don't try to convert me. I am very strong in my faith and I only seek answers. Some think that I'm a Catholic and others see me as a non-Catholic. It is very easy for me. I believe and accept those things that make sense. I beleive that C.S. knows a little bit about me. .. .. ..

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 28, 2003.


Really? I don't remember being given a warning. Well I found a new forum, and I hope your not just an imposter

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 28, 2003.

David-

I made an attempt to warn you, but the message got deleted.
You may believe me or not, that is your choice. I have no reason to lie.

As far as being an imposter? Remember this?

"...next thing...you'll be walking on water..."

rod.. ... .

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 28, 2003.


Hello,

I am new here. I can't get an answer to this question, but could someone please tell me what does the bible say about speaking in tongues.

thanks

SJ

-- Sara Jane (nomailplease@msn.com), July 28, 2003.



"...next thing...you'll be walking on water..."?? What is that suppose to mean?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 28, 2003.

David-

Evidently, you forgot one of our discussion in the other forum. I am
merely trying to prove that I am not an imposter in order to
find remedy for your suspicions of me.

rod.. .. .. ..

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 28, 2003.


Sara Jane-

Speaking in tongues has a reference to the evidence of the Holy Spirit being in one who has accepted Christ as their Savior. This happens after baptism. The Bible also mentions other charisms-or gifts. We are warned that if no person can interpret what is being said while speaking in tongues, it is best not to speak in tongues. The new believers may not gain any faith in witnessing such an event. Some in the church of Corinth, during Paul's time, were speaking in tongues and acused of edifying themselves rather than God.

rod.. .

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 28, 2003.


Sara Jane,

First of all, there are those who take it to extremes. Speaking in tongues is biblical, yet some say that "you must speak in tongues to be saved". Others try to attack this gift of God by saying they have ceased. Speaking in tongues is just one evidence of the Holy Spirit being in you, the others are "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control." (Galatians 5:22,23.)

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 28, 2003.


Ok rod, I believe it's you. So what brings you to this part of LUSENET?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 28, 2003.


David-

As I've stated, I look for the truth. If it makes sense, I'll believe it.

If it doesn't make sense, I study it and study it. I tend to see myself as an open door, not a closed one.

rod.. .. .. . .

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 28, 2003.


My mother is presbaterian and she says that people dont do that any more and its of the devil but my sister does it all the time. It kind of sounds like babygibberish. They argue about it all the time and now they cant even be around each other.

SJ

-- Sara Jane (nomailplease@msn.com), July 28, 2003.


Sara,

It is not of the devil, as it's a gift from God. Some people do misuse it, or fake it. Does your sister go to a United Pentecostal Church? Is she a Oneness pentecostal?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 28, 2003.


Hello SaraJane. You need to listen to yur mamma and stay aways from those people. I don't know why they just can't sit still and play nice like ordinary church people. I just don't know. I don't beleive in all that jumping and mumbling. They are just fakin it all the time.

J.J.

-- Jimmy Jay (junior13@bardale.net), July 28, 2003.


J.J

Prove it's fake.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 28, 2003.


Ok, I agree some people do fake it. But some are genuine.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 28, 2003.

It is difficult to figure out what is real and what is fake. When I sense that it is real, I concentrate on it and make a bigger attempt to understand it, yet I know that my driving force is not to understand, but to believe. I have friends who believe that they are genuine when they speak in tongues. Only they and God know for sure.

rod.. .. ..

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 28, 2003.


Sara,

All of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, Speaking in Tongues, etc. have ceased since we now have the confirmed word of God (the Bible) in written form. Speaking in tongues was a language (in the early NT church) and those who claim to speak in tongues do NOT speak in any intelligible language. Don't let these people fool you who claim that they can speak in tongues, for that is NOT possible today.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 29, 2003.


Sara: Tell your sister that respecting her mother is more important than praying in "tongues".

-- __ (__@__.__), July 29, 2003.

Ok Kevin, show us where in the bible its says that God has stopped giving one of his gifts.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 29, 2003.

Kevin, obviously you have a problem with accepting God's gifts. You do not even accept his free gift of salvation by adding work to the cross. I will let the scriptures speak for themselves

"Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. (1 Corinthians 12:1-11)

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 29, 2003.


Kevin,

If you are going to cut and paste my posts, at least do it honestly.

Here is what you said:

"Unfortunately Gail, God did NOT HEAR your prayer because you are still "IN YOUR SINS". God said in "Now we know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshiper of God and does His will, He hears him." (John 9:31). You are NOT of God, because you do NOT HEAR God's words. (John 8:47)."

and this was my response:

"I think further discussion is pointless."

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), July 29, 2003.


Gail,

I posted EXACTLY what I wrote that was deleted by the moderator (Paul) in the Catholic forum and NOTHING more.

So your claim that I am not being honest is NOT the truth now is it?

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 29, 2003.


k.v.

You see two I.P. addresses from me because one is at home and the other is at work.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 29, 2003.


Ok Kevin, show us where in the bible its says that God has stopped giving one of his gifts.

Go back and re-read 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 which states, "But whether there are prophecies, they will FAIL; whether there are tongues, they will CEASE; whether there is knowledge, it will VANISH AWAY. For we know in part and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away."

Please tell me David where are the prophets in the Pentecostal religion and where is the PROOF that those who speak in tongues speak in an intelligent LANGUAGE???

God said in Mark 16:17-18, "And THESE SIGNS WILL FOLLOW THOSE WHO BELIEVE: In My name they will CAST OUT DEMONS; they will SPEAK WITH NEW TONGUES; they will TAKE UP SERPENTS; and IF THEY DRINK ANYTHING DEADLY, it WILL BY NO MEANS HURT THEM; they will LAY HANDS ON THE SICK, and THEY WILL RECOVER."

Please tell me David, which of your people in the Pentecostal religion can 1. Cast out demons; 2. Speak with New Tongues (of which they have had NO prior knowledge); 3. Take up serpents (without getting killed); 4. Drink something deadly (and NOT die); 5. Able to lay hands on the sick (and they will get well)???

Kevin, obviously you have a problem with accepting God's gifts. You do not even accept his free gift of salvation by adding work to the cross.

Stipulating CONDITONS does NOT negate the free gift of salvation. There IS something that one MUST do in order to ACCEPT the gift.

Check out this website:

A Perversion of Biblical Faith

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 29, 2003.


You posted more than just YOUR words, Kevin. I see MY NAME after MY words THAT YOU CUT AND PASTED.

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), July 29, 2003.


1 Corinthians 13:8-13 "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity."

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 29, 2003.


Well, David, finally you and I agree on something! Though you disagree with your church's doctrine on tongues, YOU'VE GOT IT RIGHT!!

Cessationists love to quote "When that which is perfect comes . . . ," but they fail to realize that Christ is that which is perfect, and when He comes again the imperfect will THEN be done away with. There is no scriptural support to conclude that tongues have ceased.

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), July 29, 2003.


David, Could you do me the slightest favor? Would you look at the top of this thread and see whether Kevin quoted me? He says he didn't but I surely see my name and my words there.

What say ye, David?

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), July 29, 2003.


I need to talk to them about that, they need to re-word their sentences, AoG that is.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 29, 2003.

Kevin said:

Gail wrote, "I think further discussion is pointless."

The point is there has NOT been much discussion from you at all now Gail has there? All you do is point the finger and tell people they do not know what they are talking about and NEVER bother to PROVE IT. You said on another thread that when "PROTESTANTS" couldn't handle the "heat" they would drop the subject and move on to something else. Well this most certainly is NOT the case here now is it??? The word of God is sufficient for "casting down" Catholic arguments that "make the word of God of no effect" through your own traditions.

Gail wrote, "P.S. Kevin, you need some help man, seriously!"

Unfortunately Gail, the truth is right in front of you "in your Bible", and you do NOT see it. Truly you have been blinded by the "god of this age." (2 Cor 4:1-4).

-- __ (__@__.__), July 29, 2003.


Yea he quoted you.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 29, 2003.

THANK YOU, David!!

God Bless

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), July 29, 2003.


Gail,

What I posted IN THIS THREAD was a POST (which I wrote) that was DELETED by the MODERATOR in the Catholic forum.

This was an actual post to you that was DELETED from the Catholic forum.

This was NOT a CUT AND PASTE of your post to me (that is still in the Catholic forum), it WAS an ACTUAL REPLY to you that is NO LONGER able to be seen there and that is why I rePOSTED it here in this forum.

This is why I was able to make the comment, "So your claim that I am not being honest is NOT the truth now is it?"

How hard is that to understand?

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 29, 2003.


David,

Why don't you answer the questions that I have posed to you?

Throwing out a scripture reference (1 Corinthians 13:8-13) does NOT answer the questions I have asked of you do they?

For your information, now that we have the WRITTEN NT, we SEE GOD FACE TO FACE!!! For God said in Hebrews 8:11, "None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for ALL SHALL KNOW ME, from the least of them to the greatest of them."

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 29, 2003.


Why? Because I don't want too.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 29, 2003.

Hi k.v.

I have followed YOUR rules exactly as they have been posted.

Perhaps you should consider re-writing them to mean exactly what
you mean.

I trust that I've made my point very clear to David, yes?

rod..

..



-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 29, 2003.


Kevin said: "Throwing out a scripture reference (1 Corinthians 13:8-13) does NOT answer the questions I have asked of you do they?"

Yes it does. No need for further argument.

-- __ (__@__.__), July 29, 2003.


Why? Because I don't want too.

That is EXACTLY the answer I expected from someone who does NOT have an answer to my questions.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 29, 2003.


Yes it does. No need for further argument.

Go back and re-read what I wrote in reply to your argument concerning this passage of scripture "For your information..."

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 29, 2003.


No, that is an answer from someone who thinks it's pointless to discuss it further. It's a gift! The bible never tells us that God has stopped giving his gifts. It is what it is, a gift, some get it some don't.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 29, 2003.

Why is it pointless? Because you'll misuse and twist the Holy Scriptures to fit your needs.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 29, 2003.

Hi k.v.

As far as I know, David has not broken any of your rules. As far as I know, I haven't broken any of your rules, but some interpretations may differ with mine.

BTW, censhorship can be a double edged sword. Another problem is the banning of people. I would rather not participate in either one, but k.v. this is your forum and you call the shots.

rod.. .

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 29, 2003.


It's a gift! The bible never tells us that God has stopped giving his gifts. It is what it is, a gift, some get it some don't.

Sorry, if there are gifts of the Holy Spirit still available for us today, then you ought to be able to PROVE IT!!! I asked you some questions earlier which you conveniently chose NOT to address and this does not surprise me in the least.

Why is it pointless? Because you'll misuse and twist the Holy Scriptures to fit your needs.

Another accusation with absolutely NO proof!!! David, you are good at throwing out accusations just like those in the Catholic forum, but you do NOT do a good job of backing up your words. If I am twisting the Holy Scriptures to fit my needs then you ought to be able to PROVE where I am guilty of such.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 29, 2003.


Kevin, I don't care where you got MY WORDS and MY NAME, you don't have MY permission to post it somewhere else even if the moderator deleted it off another thread!

In reading some of your threads on this forum, I have noticed that you cannot even get along with David! You are so sure you are right and everyone else is wrong, regardless of the scripture you are shown. Your pride and arrogance are truly as nauseating on this forum YOU created than it was on the Catholic forum. You are shown plain black and white scripture over and over again, and yet you say, "PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT!" You apparently cannot comprehend the simplist English here, just as you couldn't comprehend English over there.

Gail

P.S. David, this fellow cannot even call himself a Protestant because he doesn't agree with Webster's definition. How can you possibly carry on any rational conversation with him? He is blind in one eye and can't see out of the other!!!

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), July 29, 2003.


Yea I've stopped. He doesn't even agree on original sin. I'm not going to debate other topics if he can't even agree on sin.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 29, 2003.

What?!

The lamb and the lion can sit together?

Excellent, David.

Gail, I'm just kidding around.

rod..

..


-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 29, 2003.


Okay, Rod, but which one of us is the lamb, and which one the lion?

Have a great day!

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), July 30, 2003.


Gail,

You wrote, "Kevin, I don't care where you got MY WORDS and MY NAME, you don't have MY permission to post it somewhere else even if the moderator deleted it off another thread!"

I didn't realize that there was a copyright protection on YOUR WORDS and YOUR NAME, nor did I realize I even needed your permission to post what I wrote to you somewhere else. I noticed that even after I posted here that you did NOT even bother to respond to what I wrote so it really doesn't matter now does it?

Gail wrote, "In reading some of your threads on this forum, I have noticed that you cannot even get along with David! You are so sure you are right and everyone else is wrong, regardless of the scripture you are shown. Your pride and arrogance are truly as nauseating on this forum YOU created than it was on the Catholic forum."

Yes, I am sure that I am right because the word of God agrees with what I have said and you have yet to prove where I am wrong in my interpretations of God's word.

Gail wrote, "You are shown plain black and white scripture over and over again, and yet you say, "PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT! PROVE IT!" You apparently cannot comprehend the simplist English here, just as you couldn't comprehend English over there."

Really now Gail? Please go back and take a look at how many questions I asked over there in the Catholic forum that did NOT receive an answer, then you come over here to this forum and you will notice the EXACT same thing. It is obvious that you do NOT understand the word of God, otherwise you would see that the Catholic Church is an APOSTATE CHURCH and all of those who are in there have NOT obeyed the gospel which is God's power to salvation. When people show me scripture, I respond and show them how their interpretation does NOT agree with the word of God. When this fails, and it ALWAYS did in the Catholic forum, I was called all kinds of names and finally thrown out of the forum. The truth has NOTHING to fear now does it Gail?

Gail wrote, "P.S. David, this fellow cannot even call himself a Protestant because he doesn't agree with Webster's definition. How can you possibly carry on any rational conversation with him? He is blind in one eye and can't see out of the other!!!"

That is another FALSE accusation in which Gail does NOT even bother to PROVE, and YES I did use those words AGAIN because those in the Catholic forum and yes even here do a lot of ACCUSING, but NOT MUCH in the way of PROVING where this is indeed the case.

Please also notice that Gail that even though I showed how she did ERR in falsely accusing me, she did NOT even bother to apologize for the incident. Instead, she lashes out at me as do most people when they are presented with the truth of God's word.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 30, 2003.


k.v.

I did NOT mention any specific Catholic doctrines, and if I were to do such, I would make another thread.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), July 30, 2003.


Hi Gail.

Hee..hee!

Obviously, you are the lamb who can roar like the lion! How else can the lamb sit with the lion.

rod..

..


-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 30, 2003.


I can definitely "roar like a lion"

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), July 30, 2003.


Sara,

It is not of the devil, as it's a gift from God. Some people do misuse it, or fake it. Does your sister go to a United Pentecostal Church? Is she a Oneness pentecostal?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@prodigy.net), July 28, 2003.

Hi, I am pasting this and would like to know, David, are you affliated with UPC?

thanks.

-- c. (sezme40@ameritech.net), July 31, 2003.


Dear c.,

I am not affiliated with the United Pentecostal Church. I am a member of the congregation called Assemblies of God.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 01, 2003.


k.v.,

Sorry I didn't see your question, but the reason I have different IP address is because I have a DSL connection, which uses a "dynamic IP address"

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 03, 2003.


Correction: I'm technically NOT a member of AoG. I just go to there youth meetings.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), January 24, 2004.

David thanks for your response please see the suicide thread I began as I would enjoy your imput.

thanks,c

-- c (sezme40@ameritech.net), January 30, 2004.


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