What is the One True Church?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 05, 2003

Answers

The true Church is made up of the true believers in Christ. It is not a denomination, or a bloody organization.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 07, 2003.

To Identify the One True Church, check out this link below:

Identifying the Church of the New Testament

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), August 07, 2003.

Ooooh, Kevin, I read the article! David, did you? It just goes to show you what happens when you try to interpret scripture apart from history!! Scary!

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), August 07, 2003.

Gail,

One does not need to read history in order to rightly divide the word of God.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), August 07, 2003.

I think when it comes to the structure of the church, yes you do need to read history to see how the Church leaders managed the Church; precisely how they instituted the Church is of supreme value. Remember, the N.T. was not officially canonized until well AFTER the Church structuring was underway (late 300's early 400's). And also there were many many other letters circulating during that time and being read at Mass.

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), August 08, 2003.

Note: Gail says I think

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 08, 2003.

Yes, David I do think. I use logical reasoning. I read and study scripture. My deductions are quite different than yours, to be sure, but who says your way of thinking is better than mine? I certainly am not ignorant of the Word of God.

Apparently, you have been left no argument now but subtle put-downs.

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), August 08, 2003.

Gail,

History is NOT a safe guide for the church because of the very reason Paul stated in Acts 20:29-30, "For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves."

This DID happen, for the result was the Catholic Church. One man in control...Get it!!!

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), August 11, 2003.

The One True Church is NOT the Catholic Church. Check out this web site:

"From Heaven Or Of Men?" The Roman Catholic Church

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), August 15, 2003.

The One True Church is also NOT the Assemblies of God Church. Check out this web site:

"From Heaven Or Of Men?" The Pentecostal Holiness Church, Assembly Of God Church, And Nazarene Church

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), August 15, 2003.

The true Church of Christ is not the denomination of catholicism, Assemblies of God, or churches of christ.

Churches of Christ Part One

Churches of Christ Part Two

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 15, 2003.

Who is the head of the Church? 'Christ is the head of the Church' (Ephesians 5:23)

What is the foundation of the Church? 'No other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ' (1 Corinthians 3:11)

Is there any other Rock besides the Lord? 'Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock, I know not one' (Isaiah 44:8).

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 17, 2003.

David and Faith claim that the TRUE church of Christ is an "invisible church".

Does the Bible state this to be true???

Check out this link to find out: Saved Outside the Church?

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), April 09, 2004.

Kevin.., where in the Scriptures does it say that we have to meet every Suday to celebrate the Lord's Supper? I know that Jesus said to do it whwn ever we had that meal--and I would assume Jesus was speaking of the Passover--which is once a year. My chuech does not limit its celebration of the Lord's Supper to once a year--but that is all I can glean from the Scriptures.

The verse your article quotes (1 Cor. 16:2)--says nothing about the Lord's Supper:

We are told, for example, that the early Christians assembled themselves together on the first day of the week – and every Lord’s day (see1 Cor. 16:2 – NASB) – for the purpose of partaking of the communion Supper. (The verse does not add that notation)... This involved eating the bread and drinking the fruit of the vine (Mt. 26:26ff; Acts 20:7). (That verse says nothing about every Sunday...)

-- (faith01@myway.com), April 09, 2004.

Kevin Christ's Body is spiritual...it is not of this world., and it cannot be divided.

Every earthly institution is divided. There is only one solution--His Body cannot be divided because it is spiritual for now.....

-- (faith01@myway.com), April 09, 2004.

FOR!!!!

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), April 09, 2004.

Faith,

It is obvious that you did NOT bother to read the article, for this article asked the questions: "Can one be saved outside the church? or "does the church save anyone?" and spoke NOTHING about meeting every Sunday to celebrate the Lord's Supper. The link to the article I provided does NOT quote 1 Cor. 16:2 as you state above, NOR was this article speaking about the Lord's Supper. If you wish to talk about the Lord's Supper, please take it to another thread.

If "Christ's Body is spiritual...it is not of this world., and it cannot be divided." as you state, then you should have NO PROBLEM giving us the Scriptural references that speak of His body as being "spiritual".

Yes, "Every earthly institution is divided" because they do NOT want to CONFORM to the teachings that Jesus provided in His word. Your solution "His Body cannot be divided because it is spiritual for now....." makes NO SENSE at all and NO ONE can come to that conclusion by reading the New Testament unless they have been INDOCTRINATED into this belief.

Please explain to me Faith how ALL of these man-made Churches can be DIVIDED and have CONFLICTING DOCTRINES and yet still obey 1 John 9 which states, "Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God"???

Division is SINFUL. (See 1 Corinthians 1:10-13 and John 17:20-21).

To claim there are Christians in all of these different and conflicting denominations is NOT what the word of God teaches.

David wrote, "FOR!!!!"

When are you going to GROW UP David???

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), April 10, 2004.

My response to David's 2 part article found here Church of Christ denomination

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), April 10, 2004.

Maybe Kevin..,

You ought to keep up with your own self!

My post had to do with another link you provided which talked about *Identifying the Church of the New Testament.*

Care to address my legitamate questions? And, no.., I didn't comment on everything your link claimes. I focused on one thing, so you could stay on target--rather than posting long, long replies. And you couldn't even respond....

-- (faith01@myway.com), April 10, 2004.

"It is obvious that you did NOT bother to read the article"

Kevin, do you even read the articles or websites we send you to? I read them, but do you?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), April 10, 2004.

Faith is on this. 1 Cor.16:2 does not say what Kevin's Article uses it for. Perhaps a better verse would have been Acts2:46 which says, "And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eath their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,"

Of course, this verse still does not liken to the thoughts of the Lord's supper in that article, because here we see that they broke bread daily, not simply once a week. It should be noted that this isn't a command.

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), April 10, 2004.

Faith,

Ok, if you are going to respond to an article, if there is more than one posted, please let everyone know WHICH article you are responding to???

I did not realize that I had posted another link previously.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), April 11, 2004.

Faith,

You wrote, "The verse your article quotes (1 Cor. 16:2)--says nothing about the Lord's Supper:"

If you will go back and re-read the article, you will notice that 1 Cor. 16:2 is NOT being used to PROVE that the Lord's Supper is to be taken every week, but that the early Christians assembled together on the first day of the week and every Lord's day"

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), April 11, 2004.

Yes Kevin, the author isn't trying to prove how often we should share the Lord's supper, at least not directly. The article begins with recognition, that is, we can tell who we are by what we reflect. The author's pupose is to challange us to analyze our churches and compare them with the true church, the church Christ intended. He futher shows that a church that does not "mimic" the examples from the New Testament church in every aspect cannot be a true church because they do not teach/practice truth. One could reasonably conclude that the author is implying that whichever churches do not take the Lord's supper once a week cannot be a church of truth.

I'm going back to reread this Article just to make sure I didn't misunderstand his reference.

-- Luke Juarez (hubertdorm@yahoo.com), April 12, 2004.

I disagree Kevin--because the purpose of that part of the article is to infer that communion is to be practiced everytime we meet. It was actually the point.

Here it is:

The Lord’s Supper

We are told, for example, that the early Christians assembled themselves together on the first day of the week – and every Lord’s day (see1 Cor. 16:2 – NASB) – for the purpose of partaking of the communion Supper. This involved eating the bread and drinking the fruit of the vine (Mt. 26:26ff; Acts 20:7).

The article, of course--is surmising that they gathered for the purpose of partaking in the Lord's Supper.

-- (faith01@myway.com), April 12, 2004.