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-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@gmail.com), November 28, 2005.

"Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost" (2 Peter 1:20-21).

The Catholic Church uses this to show that we are all stupid and cannot learn from the bible ourselves. However, as you see they omit verse 21 so show 'proof' that Protestants are in 'chaos' and 'the Holy Catholic Church' is 'united'. A claim that is not true.

Peter is not talking about one's own interpetation of scriptures, but the origin of it. He is talking about the prophets themselves. The prophets did not invent the scriptures. They were instruments of God in writing his word,"...holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost."

This verse does not discourage us from reading and understanding the bible, but gives us confidence that it is not just a church book. It is the Word of God.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 06, 2003

Answers

I will comment on this one later:

"And I say also unto thee, Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church and the Gates of Hell shall not prevail against it" Matthew 16:18.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 07, 2003.

You're reading an aweful lot into the scripture, David. I have come to find in my study of the Bible, that scripture usually means what it plainly says, without a lot of pontificating. Apparently, our forefathers in the faith thought quite differently than you, especially with regard to Peter!

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), August 07, 2003.

What?! How is that reading 'aweful lot into the scripture'. I see, you just like to isolate the verse so it can agree with catholic doctrine.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 07, 2003.

I didn't isolate any scripture, David, I just don't need your commentary on this scripture or any other, but thanks anyway! Rather than trying to read into the text what you want it to mean, why don't you just read it at face value.

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), August 08, 2003.

Gail I do no such thing. Yes I get I should just isolate this verse "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation" and ignore the rest, and say "Geeesh, the Catholic church is right, they have the authority, I'm stupid and cannot read the scriptures without a infallible pope. Give me a break! That is exactly what your doing.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 08, 2003.

No, David, I have spent a lot of time THINKING on all of these matters of which we are discussing. I have done a lot of research on these topics as well, on my own. I was not forced into Catholocism by anyone other than the Holy Spirit, to whom I am eternally and forever grateful.

I do not need YOU to interpret scripture for me according to YOUR biases.

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), August 08, 2003.

You were led into Catholicism by the Devil!

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 08, 2003.

Research? So how often do you read the bible, maybe if you did that you'd see the RCC is a false religion.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 08, 2003.

I am really tiring of your personal insults, David.

Gail

P.S. Perhaps the Devil led you into Protestantism. (He loves rebellion. Ever hear of Korah?)

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), August 08, 2003.

...and David will be the next moderator. It is a mistake. Now, you know the thoughts of the devil, amazing, David, amazing!

rod..

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), August 08, 2003.

"the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15).

This verse that is quoted says nothing about infallibility or interpretation.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 17, 2003.

what religion is RCC david

-- mike (Blackmajictrix@yahoo.com), January 06, 2004.

Roman Catholicism.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), January 06, 2004.

Gail,

You wrote, "I was not forced into Catholocism by anyone other than the Holy Spirit, to whom I am eternally and forever grateful."

Can you please explain this statement???

As far as I know, the Holy Spirit does NOT lead except THROUGH the word of God.

If the Holy Spirit leads any other way, please show me how this is the case.

If the Holy Spirit led you, then He most certainly did NOT do it THROUGH the word of God for many Catholic doctrines CANNOT be found there.

-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), January 06, 2004.