Please translate into english the latin ibi cubavit lamia.. I'm only looking for an answer to to the aforementioned and do not wish to join a catholic discussion group. PLEASE DO NOT distribute my email address. Dated 10:01 a.m. 15 November 2003

-- helen ryan (helenryan@fuse.net), November 15, 2003

Answers

helen,

LOL! You'll need to discuss this for some time if you intend on getting a consensus on what is meant by "lamia" here. The passage you want is Isaiah 34:14, and if you are interested in the latin you can find the Vulgate of St. Jerome on line (free to use) here.

Isaiah 34 14 et occurrent daemonia onocentauris et pilosus clamabit alter ad alterum ibi cubavit lamia et invenit sibi requiem

I think there's an old thread or two on the various meanings of lamia, whether to say "night creature" or "demoness", but in English the line could be translated:

Isaiah 34 14 The desert (1) creatures will meet with the wolves, The (2) hairy goat also will cry to its kind; Yes, the night monster will settle there And will find herself a resting place.

As it is in the New American Standard Bible (which is also online or

14 And demons and monsters shall meet, and the hairy ones shall cry out one to another, there hath the lamia lain down, and found rest for herself.

As it is in the Douay-Rheims.

The big question is does a lamia mean a witch, a demon that can look like a woman, a bloodsucking corpse, what? Perhaps someone else can definitively enlighten us...

Frank

-- someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), November 15, 2003.

Hi, Helen.

You didn't understand the nature of this discussion forum. There is no registration here. Your e-mail address is visible to the whole world at this moment. Do you just want privacy, or is it that you are a Protestant who doesn't want fellow Protestants to know that you asked Catholics for an interpretation of "lamia"? (Don't be embarrassed. After all, Catholics wrote the New Testament and chose which OT and NT books were inspired by God and ought to be included in the Bible. Ours is the only Church that Jesus founded.)

Here (http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00AoHJ) is a recent thread wherein the verse in question was discussed.

God bless you.
John
PS: "LOL" -- ??? (Is it becoming obligatory to "laugh out loud" when reading or replying to people? I seem to be seeing that tiresome abbreviation all over the place. I find it hard to believe that normal people are really "laughing out loud" so much. Things here are very rarely funny enough to generate guffaws. I'll have to start writing "COL" for what I do more than "LOL" -- i.e., Crying Out Loud. This forum causes far more pain than pleasure under present circumstances, what with ineligibles permanently in harassment/proselytizing mode.)

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), November 15, 2003.

Things here are very rarely funny enough to generate guffaws.

I disagree. I've personally guffawed, chortled, snickered, sprayed monitors & keyboards with beverage droplets, and really Laughed Out Loud reading this forum.

Personally, though, I do observe a strict no-LOL policy. Not that I mind seeing it, but its overuse tends to diminish its impact.

This concludes another unsolicited opinion. I will send an invoice for my $0.02.

-- jake (j@k.e), November 15, 2003.

"... an invoice for my $0.02"

Don't hold your breath waiting for a check. Not even us "eligibles" get paid -- much less you "ineligibles."

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), November 16, 2003.

ROTFLWVBFEMBWMWFTTDSSTERSHATSTAIEWMNDATDOTTPCFTCOLWAYCB!!! (Rolling on the floor laughing while various bodily fluids escape my body without my wish for them to do so secondary to extreme rib- shattering hilarity at the same time as I'm engulfed with mind- numbing despair at the depths of things that people can find to criticize, oh Lord when are you coming back?)

Anyway, when something strikes you as funny, you might as well express it. God didn't make us robots, you know. If He did, we'd probably use oil on ourselves, instead of in our cars.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), November 16, 2003.

Frank, I'm convinced that if you murdered somebody and I then criticized you for it, you'd try to defend it.

How pathetic! Some people just cannot face the facts and admit them. They make life into a purgatory for everyone else.

Mr. LOL thinks he's more infallible than the pope! A man with REAL courage and insight into things would have written something like ...
"Well, I'll be darned! I hadn't noticed that, but you are right. I have been overusing that trite abbreviation (LOL) all over the place. From now on, I'll save it to use when something is overwhelmingly hilarious. Please excuse me."
I hope that, some day before you die, you can approach a situation somewhat like that, instead of your childish "ROTFLWVB [etc]."

JFG

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), November 16, 2003.

John,

Let me get this straight: are you saying you feel it's YOUR job to tell me how much I should be enjoying this forum, and that I'm currently enjoying them too much?

You write this:

How pathetic! Some people just cannot face the facts and admit them. They make life into a purgatory for everyone else.

about someone writing LOL when something makes them laugh? PURGATORY? Sheesh, if that's purgatory, I might as well escalate my sinning!

Frank

P.S. John, I think events here have you overwrought. Why not take a few days off and collect yourself? The schismatics will still be here when you return.

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), November 17, 2003.

Jmj

Frank,
You wrote: "about someone writing LOL when something makes them laugh? PURGATORY? Sheesh, if that's purgatory, I might as well escalate my sinning!"

Why do you ask me a question and then not wait for MY answer, but answer it yourself -- and answer it wrongly? With every move you make, you make my life less pleasant.

You should have figured out that I was not saying that the "purgatory" you inflict came merely from defending your "LOLs." It has come from almost four years of your defending the indefensible. Every time you have ever written something that is wrong and I have pointed it out to you, you have inflicted purgatory on me by failing to accept my correction, but continuing to defend your errors.

I don't need a few days off. I don't need to "collect" myself. And I don't need advice from a guy like you. You are just another "enabler," who failed to ban the pseudo-trads when he had the chance -- and who continues to fail to advise the new moderator to ban them. No, I don't need advice from you.

God bless you.
John


-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), November 19, 2003.

John,

You should at least *consider* advice given to you by anyone. To not do so is foolish. As the old saying goes, even a broken clock is correct twice per day. OTOH, if you don't want to listen, that is your choice.

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), November 19, 2003.

No, Frank, not "anyone" and everyone. Unfortunately, some people have no good advice at all to offer to adults.
Probably your small children can benefit from some elementary advice you give them. But not adults. Your track record proves that to me.
It's not that I "don't want to listen." It's that I want to listen to a person who possesses wisdom and facts.
JFG

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), November 19, 2003.

That's fine John. I know you think ad hominems are a GOOD part of debate, so I'll just assume you think you are trying to be helpful insulting people all the time. LOL, I guess it's a good excuse to act inappropriately, if nothing else, keep up your "work".

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), November 20, 2003.

Jmj

Frank, what's worse --
(1) to mix in a biting but honest comment [you call it an "insult"] or
(2) to lie about someone?

Your behavior tells me that you think that #1 is worse, but I know that #2 is worse. Here is an example of you pulling off #2 just now:
"I'll just assume you think you are trying to be helpful insulting people all the time."

The fact is that, lately, due to your unjust attacks on me, you have been stung to the quick by justified words I have spoken -- biting, honest comments. But that doesn't give you the right to lie about me, claiming that I "insult" everyone I address "all the time."

Unless you are blind, you should know that the vast majority of my comments at forum have nothing to do with criticism of people who say and do wrong things. I work very hard to help people in most of my messages. (You even used to recognize this and compliment me.) But, because of your year-long hatred for me -- and my unwillingness to be your obedient little "son" (talking like some kind of sissy, rather than an adult male) -- you seem to have gone blind to what I actually do here. Well, I pity you for that. Go in peace.

God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), November 20, 2003.

John,

because of your year-long hatred for me

Just so you know, I don't hate you at all, and never have. I do admit I feel sorry for you at times, but I don't hate you. Why would I?

Frank

-- Someone (ChimingIn@twocents.cam), November 20, 2003.

Ahh, come off it.

-- Catherine Ann (catfishbird@yahoo.ca), November 20, 2003.

LoL (and yes it's genuine) came here looking for answers and came up with this comical retort between what i hope are 2 children, but i could be wrong... In all honesty, who cares if someone uses abbreviations or not, as long as they are trying to learn something? Well thanks for the laughs people, and seriously, it's only abbreviations.

-- palin (Cold@Heart.com), December 31, 2003.

What really amuses me, is the idea that poor Helen might just be looking for a translation of the title of a song written by the band Siebenbürgen....the whole Protestant/Catholic mess would really be over the top if that was the case.

-- Lars M. (moulder@sol.dk), January 14, 2004.