I'm just wondering if as a Catholic, it is ok to recieve the bread and the wine at protestant church services?

-- Matt (slywakka250@msn.com), November 24, 2003

Answers

No it isent. As a Catholic you can not be active at another service.. tech.. as a catholic we cant even attend execpt for mybe weddings and thing like that. But no we an not recive their communin at anything for any reason.

KeV

-- kevin wisniewski (kez38spl@charter.net), November 24, 2003.

Corrention: No we cant.

Sorry for the poor writing skills!

-- kevin W (kez38spl@charter.net), November 24, 2003.

The reason I am attending is because I am in the band. I have taken their communion in the past because then I did know much about my Catholic Faith.

-- Matt (slywakka250@msn.com), November 24, 2003.

Faith, What about being "guilty of the Body and Blood of the Lord"? How could eating a piece of bread bring judgement upon a person. And what about "proclaiming the death of the Lord until He comes", or "unless you eat of the Flesh of the Son of Man you have no life in you". Don't these verses mean anything, or they all to be understood in the context of the verse that you stated? That wouldn't make very much sense, since that type of thinking would also compel you to abandon your belief in the Most Blessed Trinity. In the book of Deut. there is a verse that says "Hear, o Israel, the Lord you God is One" Now groups like the J.W.'s us that verse to try to disprove the Doctrine of the Trinity, however the thing that the J.W.'s fail to see is that this verse describe the Nature of God. So you see what you fail to realize is that the veres that you mention describes the Sacrafice of the Mass as ALSO being a memorial, however that idea is not to overshadow the FACT that the Mass is a Sacrafice. +AMDG

-- Jeff (jmajoris@optonline.net), November 24, 2003.

truthisfreedpdom316, The Mass is a Sacrafice True and Proper, whether you would like to admit it or not. The Bible is very clear on that. In the Epistle to the Hebrews, it is written that the Christians have an Altar. An Altar is also mentioned in the Book of the Apocalypse. Now what is the exclusive use of an altar? The use of an altar is sacrafice. In the Old Testament sacrafices were offered to God by priests in the Temple. These sacrafices covered the sins of the people as they were types of the Sacrafice of Christ. We know that God does not, cannot change, so His requirement of a sacrafice wouldn't change either. Now all of this doesn't not nully the fact the Christ's sacrafice was ONCE. In the Mass the Sacrafice of the Cross is once again made present and offered to the Father. Your going-ons about "bread that molds" has nothing to do with the Mass, since in the Mass there is no longer any bread, rather only the apperance of bread or the accident. At the words of Consecration the substance of the bread changes to become the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Jesus Christ. This is what the eraliest Christians believed and it wasn't until the Reformation that the idea of the Mass being a "memorial" became a firm (though erroneous) belief. +AMDG

-- Jeff (jmajoris@optonline.net), November 24, 2003.

"Many go to mass bound in sin, eating the bread that molds, in Gods eyes they are unjustified, which is why Jesus said one must be born again"

Who are you to say what is right in Gods eyes? You dont even use a full bible...

KeV

-- Kevin Wisniewski (kez38spl@charter.net), November 24, 2003.

Youy are right! We must be born again, of water and the Spirit. What describes a Roman Catholic Baptism better!

-- Jeff (jmajoris@optonline.net), November 24, 2003.

mailto:truthisfreedpdom316@yahoo.com says "so this scripture shows that mass is in disobediance to Gods word."

What about at the last supper "do this in remembrance of me" Please do not quote scripture to counter the existance of the Mass, the Holy Scriptures fully supports the Mass.

Further to this, Christ does not sacrifice himself over and over again at every Mass. PLEASE!!! If you're going to attack the Mass please read up on it before making ignorant comments. He only died once. The Mass is simply the same sacrifice present in Body and Blood of Christ consecrated by the priest in obedience to Christ himself...

"For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was handed over, took bread, 24 and, after he had given thanks, broke it and said, "This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 1Cor 11:23

-- Franc (francois.de-fleuriot@unilever.com), November 25, 2003.

Well if you came to my WELS church we wouldn't invite you to the Lord's table to share the supper. We have close communion too. You have to be in doctrinal unity with us.

-- Jeanie (Mary_kissmiss@hotmail.com), November 25, 2003.

Why? Why is doctrinal unity with your church any better than doctrinal unity with any other church? Is there some reason why the doctrine of your denomination has more authority than that of any other? If not, then why insist on your own doctrine as a prerequisite for participation, knowing that your doctrine has no more likelihood of being true that that of any other group?

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), November 25, 2003.

3. And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 4. Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 5. Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. 6. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you. 7. Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8. For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9. Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10. Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11. If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him? 12. Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. 13. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14. Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. 15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17. Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven

-- Bubbles (9999@444.com), November 25, 2003.

note especially 15 thru 21

-- Bubbles (9999@444.com), November 25, 2003.

Since the truth about homosexuality is clear, how is it that bishops can ordain known homosexuals to be priests? How is it that homosexuals can stand before God at the altar and have no conscience pangs? Maybe they thing that the greater good is to be a priest, despite everything else. Perhaps they are what we might call "spiritually clueless," because they have hardened themselves through self-deceit. It is a quandary. On a practical note, the priesthood can be an excellent cover for their situation, and they gain automatic respect from those who would not give it otherwise. In this latter scenario, there has to be little or no understanding of the penalty for the violation of the sacred or the fear of the deserved wrath of Almighty God.

-- Bubbles (9999@444.com), November 25, 2003.

Bubbles, Use the New American Bible, it's easier to read.

God bless,

-- john placette (jplacette@catholic.org), November 25, 2003.

"Why? Why is doctrinal unity with your church any better than doctrinal unity with any other church? Is there some reason why the doctrine of your denomination has more authority than that of any other? If not, then why insist on your own doctrine as a prerequisite for participation, knowing that your doctrine has no more likelihood of being true that that of any other group?"

Yes, we believe that we are faithful to the Lord and preach the Word in truth and purity. I can't deny that!

-- Jean Marie (Mary_kissmiss@hotmail.com), November 25, 2003.

Jean, I know you do. So does every other denomination, including those whose beliefs are directly opposed to yours. Yet they all reached their beliefs by exactly the same method that brought you to yours. So ... if I were trying to decide which church to join, and I wanted to be sure that what I was hearing was the truth, what could you offer me to convince me that your denomination, and not the 20,000+ others, was preaching the Word in truth and purity?

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), November 25, 2003.

After the Second Vatican Council, many older churches were remodeled, including Sacred Heart Cathedral in Raleigh, NC. It used to have a beautiful interior, but the altar was torn out, and the tabernacle placed off to the side. Where the tabernacle used to be was placed the bishop's chair. The placement looks similar to the setting for the Worshipful Master's chair in a Masonic Lodge. The only thing missing from the remodeled Cathedral seemed to be a higher back to the chair, a canopy over the chair, three steps up to the level on which the chair was placed, and a candle at either end of the table/altar. However, the Cathedral has been remodeled again about two years ago, and there is now a very high-backed chair, which has a canopy over it and two steps up to the level on which the chair is located, plus a candle on either side of the altar [the Masons also have an additional candle somewhat removed from and to the side of the table/altar].

-- Jeanince Lombardo (Nina32@yahoo.com), November 27, 2003.

Jeanince (? typo ?), how would you know this?: " The placement looks similar to the setting for the Worshipful Master's chair in a Masonic Lodge."

Regardless of how accurate your comments are, any similarities that may exist would be due to the Mason's imitating Catholicism, not vice versa. You can be certain of that.

God bless you. John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), November 27, 2003.

john

jeanice doesnt know. why? because hes a schizzy with an agenda. masons are EXTREMELY secret. i know, my uncle (on moms side) is one, and i still know next to nothing about them. jeanice has never been inside a masonic building, and he's betting we havent either... which is why he can BS us so well. talking to my uncle, however, he has assured me that that is NOT what the inside of a masonic temple looks like.

FURTHERMORE... i would like pictures of this altar, since jeanice seems to know so much about it, he must have a picture somewhere to post...

-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), November 28, 2003.

Thanks, Paul H. I don't think we'll be hearing from "Jeanince" again. JFG

-- (jfgecik@hotmail.com), November 28, 2003.

matt,

first, you cannot recieve the bread and wine/fruit juice at a protestant church. why? we know that the eucharist we recieve IS the Body and Blood of our Lord, Jesus Christ. While some protestant churches may try to boast of this fact as well, only the catholic church has the empowerment from Christ himself to cause transubstantiation.

when you take part in the 'communion' of protestant services you effectively cheapen your participation in the true communion of Christ. when you recognize another false communion as being valid enough to take part in, it is an insult to Christ, who gave His very Body and Blood for you.

does this mean you cant attend protestant services? no, not really. i was forced to go as a child and i met alot of friends. ocassionally to this day i go back and sit through their service so that i can say hello. what is integral is that, while i sit respectfully of their worship, i am NOT an active participant because i do not recognize their faith on a level with mine. But there is no sin in attendance.

As to the coward who can't even back their words up with a name...

there are 30,000 + denominations in this world, and that number is growing every day. you say that you can get a proper dose of truth anywhere huh? well, with all these conflicting veiws there can be only ONE TRUTH. others may have a PORTION of the truth, but they do not have ALL of it. now, a portion of truth MAY be enough to get you in, but i'd rather have the fullness of truth.

-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), November 28, 2003.

Paul; You would trust the word of a Mason? for shame!

-- Jeanince Lombardo (Nana32@yahoo.com), November 29, 2003.

Paul; You would trust the word of a Mason? for shame!

you know, i would trust the word of my uncle, because i know my family has honor.

you, on the other hand, are a greasy cur and your insult of the integrity of my family is horrendously unnacceptable.

-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), November 29, 2003.

Jesus only had to shed his blood ONCE for all of our sins. To think that you are eating Jesus and drinking his blood would make his dying on the cross worthless. He said at the last supper to do in REMEMBERANCE OF ME.

-- josh (gt350cobra@hotmail.com), November 30, 2003.

josh, do you read the bible, or just listener to your minister parse the words so that they fit his manmade views???

Jesus tells us unless we eat His Body and His Blood, that we shall not have life in us. Jesus doesnt say anything about a symbolic rememberance. instead He says eat MY BODY and MY BLOOD in rememberance of Me.

next, the gospel tells us this teaching was hard for the people to accept and that many stopped following Christ because of it. If we're talking a purely symbolic thing here, why is it so hard for people to accept??? could it be that you are having a hard time swallowing the truth, and hence you have fallen away in the same way those lost sheep once did?

Finally, Jesus died once on the cross, no one denies this. BUT what we CATHOLICS recognize is that He died FOR ALL TIME. His sacrifice extends even to us, and so does His communion. or do you prefer to believe that when Christ died on the cross it was only for those people living at that particular time... better pray you alone are worthy without Christ if you believe that way.

you think you have the truth, but all you have is lies based on half studied truths... i suggest you hit the books and talk to a real source of knowledge before you presume to lecture US on what the bible says.

-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), November 30, 2003.

Josh,

What He said was "do THIS in remembrance of Me". "THIS" means "what I have just done for you".

"And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."

Can I assume then, since you follow the Bible, that at your worship services your minister takes bread, gives thanks, breaks the bread, and says "This is My Body"? If not, why not, since Christ commanded us to do so?

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), December 01, 2003.

My grandparents come over every Christmas. They are Catholic, and we attend the service at my church (it's an episcopal church) on Christmas Eve. They always receive communion. Although the Episcopal church is Anglician.

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), December 14, 2003.

Catholics may not ever receive the bread and wine (or grape juice) -- which, of course, is not "Holy Communion" -- in a religious service held by an ecclesial community that lacks apostolicity.

Stated in other words, Catholics may not receive in the services of openly protestant denominations -- nor in those that are reluctant to call themselves "protestant denominations" (e.g., Anglican/Episcopalian, so-called non-denominationals, and some Lutheran denominations).

Catholics may always receive in Catholic churches (of the East or West). In certain cases, Catholics may receive from non-Catholic churches that retain apostolicity (e.g., the Eastern Orthodox).

If Catholics take part in a simulated "communion" in an Anglican or Episcopalian service -- and if these Catholics are aware of the fact that this is forbidden -- they commit a mortal sin and cannot receive the valid Communion until they have confessed this sin in the sacrament of Reconciliation.

God bless you.
John

-- J. F. Gecik (jfgecik@hotmail.com), December 14, 2003.