Did Jesus hate Judas?

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Jeanie seems to think that hating people is a Christian virtue. Of all of the people in the Bible, Judas comes accross as one who was definately in with Satan. My question to you is: Did Jesus hate Judas?

I don't think he did, but I really haven't studied the issue much. Perhaps someone here has.

Thanks.

-- James (stinkcat_14@hotmail.com), December 08, 2003

Answers

The Bible actually doesn't say whether he went to heaven. The only thing the Bible says is that it would be better for him never to have been born. Is this a reference to eternal damnation, I am not sure. I don't know that anyone has opined on this issue?

On the other hand, just because someone doesn't go to heaven doesn't mean that Jesus doesn't love us.

-- James (stinkcat_14@hotmail.com), December 08, 2003.


Well, Judas wasn't saved to begin with.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), December 08, 2003.

Actually David you mean that there was no evidence that he was saved. We can't dismiss the possibility of a final repentance, even though I would argue that it is highly unlikely. Even if he wasn't saved, it doesn't imply that Jesus hated him.

After all, Jesus looked at the rich young man with love and we don't know whether he accepted salvation.

-- James (stinkcat_14@hotmail.com), December 08, 2003.


Judas committed suicide. Jesus Christ sets us free, and gives us hope and life.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), December 08, 2003.

Jeanie, www.thebereancall.org, You might want to check out his book "A Woman Rides the Beast". It's about the Roman Catholic organization and prophecy.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), December 08, 2003.


It's hard to believe that any person of reasonable intelligence could possibly believe that other people of reasonable intelligence would pray to a statue. :-)

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), December 09, 2003.

Lol they ask if Jesus hated someone... If we dident go to heaven that doesnt mean he ws hated. Who are you to say if he was saved or not.... I love how hipacritical you guys are if you expect to convert people from our "satanic church" then why do they judge people on a public forum, daosent help your case when people show up and read that. just go on hating people as "Jesus did" you are in for a big suprise when you come face to face with Our Lord and He askes you if you loved every person. What shall you say? WHat will the excuse be for hating people?

KeV

-- Kevin wisniewski (Kez38spl@charter.net), December 09, 2003.


wisniewski,

If by 'they' you mean 'us', then no. We did not ask if 'Jesus hated anyone'. James did.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), December 09, 2003.


Yes,

I asked if Jesus hated Judas. So David, what is your opinion, yes or no?

-- James (stinkcat_14@hotmail.com), December 10, 2003.


Obviously not. Jesus cannot hate him. How can Jesus hate Judas, if he is the one that tell us to love our neighboor?

Oh and by the way, I am not from any religion in particular, perhaps in a time soon, Wicca.

-- Jorge (thecodefreak@hotmail.com), December 28, 2003.



Matt.26:50....Jesus still calls Judas 'Friend' even at his betrayal. One may assume this was an affectionate term.

-- Gillian Dickenson (Gilliantwin@msn.com), February 06, 2004.

St Matthew 27

[3] Then Judas, who betrayed him, seeing that he was condemned, repenting himself, brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and ancients, [4] Saying: I have sinned in betraying innocent blood.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), February 09, 2004.


Hi Jorge.

How do you pronounce your name? (with the "H" sound or the "G" sound)

It would be nice if you stuck around this forum before you make any final decisions on your next faith system. Please ask questions about Salvation.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 09, 2004.


Jesus is in the image of God. He loves all, even satan himself. Judas was no different. Now he doesn't like what Judas did, but in the same way a parent loves a son or daughter, Jesus still loves him. Jesus loves all. You can't just say that Jesus doesn't like Judas because just as he hurt God, we all hurt God. "there is none good, no not one." Romans 3:10. Technically, We're just as bad as he was.

-- doug hanna (douglas684@yahoo.com), July 11, 2004.

Are you a Calvinist, Doug?

What is your definition of the word "hate" as used in Scriptures?

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 11, 2004.



CHRIST IS LORD YESTARDAY TODAY AND FOREVER. GUYMEN I DON LAND HERE FOR JESUS.

-- (MAGA@MUGU.NET), July 23, 2004.

Judas was neccessary, though. Without Christ's betrayal, he would not have been crucified. Without the crucifiction, we could not be saved. The Bible gives us not the slightest hint about Judas - 30 pieces of silver wasn't a lot of money back then, and this man had cared enough about Jesus to follow him around through his ministry.

-- Famelica Prima (qunfangirl14@yahoo.com), August 08, 2004.

I really don't see how you could think that Jesus hated anyone. As the Son of God, surely he was beyond such Earthly vices? The love of Christ would have extended to Judas, even after his terrible betrayal. Forgiveness is a central plank of his His teachings.

-- Father Graham Smith (graham.smith@wanadoo.fr), October 11, 2004.

I agree completely.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), October 11, 2004.


Well, father Graham: Jesus did not hate Judas, but totally dislike the religouds authorities.

He called them whitewashed tombs and vipers.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), October 11, 2004.


I think the situation of Judas can be related to all people. The bible sais we are all sinners, all fall short, and not one is good. Every time we sin we betray jesus. The bible says if one commandment is broken then the whole law is broken. All sin is the same, in that it separates us from God. Peter denied jesus three times and jesus redeemed him. Sin can be a buiding block in our relationship to God because it can humble us and cause us to turn to him. I think that Judus' situation could have been an awesome testimony to God's abounding grace if Judus would have just asked for forgiveness, but sin can lead us to some crazy places. To me this (grace) is really basic but an extremely critical doctrine to the Christian faith. Jesus definetly did not hate Judus, he loved him like a father loves his lost son.

-- Kris Ramos (kram@spinn.net), January 16, 2005.

The difference Kris.,

Comes in our understanding of who Jesus is and our willingness to receive Him.

Judas regretted having betrayed Jesus--but he never went to Jesus for forgiveness. His concern was in receiving forgiveness from men.

It is a great lesson to us all.

Judas was lost forever--unlike a prodigal son who returns home eventually. Judas never belonged to Jesus. His faith was not real. He was very much concerned with the things of this world.

The same cannot be said of Peter--whom may have denied Jesus three times--but who knew where to turn when he needed forgiveness.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 16, 2005.


I answered the question, JESUS DID NOT HATE JUDAS. Jesus loves us all the same.

-- Kris Ramos (kram@spinn.net), January 16, 2005.

Perhaps you asked the wrong question though.

There is no question that jesus loves all of his creation and all people.

But we aren't saved based on whether God loves us.

The question is, "Do you love God?"

Judas did not love God.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 16, 2005.


Judas did not love God? Well, look at his actions that lead to his suicide/self-execution.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 17, 2005.


Here's a thread about Judas

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 17, 2005.


In response to "Do you love God", apostle paul makes it clear that salavation is not earned, but an accepted gift.

If anyone think this incorrect please contact me through my direct email.

-- Kris Ramos (kram@spinn.net), January 17, 2005.


You are correct Kris.

Salvation is a gift that comes to those who love God. They must receive His Son Jesus--who is that gift of salvation.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 17, 2005.


"Salvation is a gift that comes to those who love God?" I think that your wording might be incorrect. Are you saying that you must first love God, then we will be saved?

-- kris ramos (kram@spinn.net), January 17, 2005.

In loving God--we receive His Son. This is how we love God--we believe Him and we want to be part of His family.

A gift doesn't do anyone any good if they don't *receive* it. You must receive Christ. Jesus said that the work of God is to believe in the One He has sent.

Those who believe in His Son and have confessed Jesus Christ is Lord, have obeyed the gospel and thereby shown that they do love God.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 18, 2005.


"Those who believe in His Son and have confessed Jesus Christ is Lord, have obeyed the gospel and thereby shown that they do love God."

Kris,

Don't believe everything that you read... The post that Faith made above is not correct... She believes that one is saved by "faith alone" and this doctrine is not taught in the Bible...

God says in Matthew 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."

Those who say "Lord, Lord" are the faith alone crowd and claim that they are saved when in fact they have been deceived...

The only way that one can be saved is by obedience to the gospel of Jesus Christ. In order to obey the gospel of Christ, one must first hear the gospel, then they must believe the gospel, then they must repent of their sins, confess their faith in the gospel and then be baptized for the remission of their sins... Once they have obeyed the gospel, then they must live a faithful life and grow as Christ has commanded...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), January 18, 2005.


Kevin,

You miss an important revelation in the verse you provide:

God says in Matthew 7:21, "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven."

In its context:

Matt 7:15-23

“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Two things are clear from this passage. First of all--our fruit or good works are evidence of our salvation in Christ. They are not the reason for the salvation--but the proof.

Secondly, Jesus sends those false Christians away, not because they didn't do all the good works that even you list as being what qualifies a person for heaven--they were *doing* everything you say they have to dThe answer comes from Jesus when He says that He never *knew* them--which says that a personal relationship with Jesus is what saves.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 18, 2005.


Kevin, we are saved by faith alone. The evidence of a true conversion will automatically bring fruit. That is what makes Christianity so different from any other religion. Even Catholism, though by faith they do teach salvation by works also. The scripture you quoted pertained to the religous people and false teachers. You might have taken this scripture out of context.

I agree with faith. We are on the same page i think i just mis understood you.

-- kris ramos (kram@spinn.net), January 18, 2005.


Christ was the ultimate Sacrifice to end all sacrifice. It seems peculiar that "Faith Alone" would be part of His plan. Sacrifice is a "work". Had Christ taught "Faith Alone", why His Sacrifice and not just one Miraculous Symbolic Sign "I'm Here, Just Believe IT"?

No, He suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day, He arose in accordance with Scriptures. Another "work". He also taught us to love one another--"work". "Faith Alone" is not enough.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 19, 2005.


So much do you have to work?

-- kris ramos (kram@spiin.net), January 19, 2005.

I understand what your saying. I believed, i asked for forgiveness, and this true conversion prompted me to change my lifestyle.

-- kris ramos (kram@spinn.net), January 19, 2005.

"...true conversion prompted me to change my lifestyle. "-- kris.

You see the "work" that you have started? Staying away from sin takes work. Doing God's "work" is work. Feeding your brother, showing him the right path, teaching him the Gospel, and worship to Christ is all work. It doesn't mean a thing unless you have faith, of course.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 19, 2005.


It is because you have faith and have been saved that you perservere and do the work of God.

It is not that because you do the work you are therefore saved.

Faith precedes salvation and salvation--which is rebirth--enables you to resist evil and do God's work.

This fruit comes because you are alive in Christ--you are not alive in Christ because you bear fruit.

Which comes first, the tree and its branches or its fruit?

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 19, 2005.


The Bible says we're saved by "grace" alone, not "faith alone." It also says we have NOT saved by faith alone.

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), January 19, 2005.

How does the Bible say we receive grace?

Through faith.

Ephesians 2:8-10

For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it (salvation) is the gift of God– not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 19, 2005.


Can God create a human that He can not forgive? (Sort of a stretch from the heavy rock thread.) Would that give us predestination?

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), January 19, 2005.

God predestines us to certain blessings based on His foreknowledge of what we did with His Son. He predestines us, for example, to eternal life. He also predestines us as His adopted sons and daughters.

Never will you find that God has predestined anyone to salvation or to hell for that matter.

So the answer to your question is that God can not create anyone that He can not forgive--His desire is that we all would come to a saving faith in His Son. Not everyone does, of course, because we are free to reject His Son.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 19, 2005.


I agree with you Faith.

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), January 19, 2005.

"faith" is correct. You cant earn salavation. The book of james is talking about "good deeds" to show your faith to man, not god.

-- Kris Ramos (kram@spinn.net), January 19, 2005.

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