Do Homosexual/Lesbian Marriages Have Babies, How?

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I honestly do not intend to be funny or insulting in anyway with this thread. It is just that I wonder how a homosexual/lesbian marriage intends to be fruitful and multiply? How do they have babies? How can such couples adopt children?

There are many issues that have yet to be posted; I'll get around to it eventually.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 17, 2004

Answers

A problem with logic in the homosexual view point.

If homosexual assertions that one is born with a predetermined preference, then how does a homosexual couple justify adopting children, knowing that their sexual lifestyle will influence the children into confusion or wrong preference tendencies, without knowing the child's "predetermined" sexual preference? It is obvious that the converse is not an issue; homosexuals come out of the "closet", sort of speak. So, heterosexual preferences do not deviate the child's preference, something else does.

Delicate issues here.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 17, 2004.


Adoption usually. oR else they have children before they "Discover" their homosexuality. ( Rad "Become gay")

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), May 17, 2004.

Rod, Lesbians tend to be insiminated.

So the child is theirs.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 17, 2004.


What a mockery of men by lesbian women! They don't need men, but only their sperm. God meant us to becoming of one flesh. The Gnostics had the same ideas.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 17, 2004.


Gnostics had that asexual relationship between men and women, that is.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 17, 2004.



That's true, Rod.

Look at the Catholic priesthood. Celibacy is one of those things inherited from the Gnostics.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 17, 2004.


Adoption?

-- (@@@.@), May 18, 2004.

My point is:

How can a Homosexually married couple justify having children?

Is it fair for a child to be conditioned into living in a homosexual environment?

The arguement goes that homosexuals believe their preference is instilled in them before birth. So, how does a homosexual know the child's/infant's preference? Will the homosexual raise the child as a heterosexual--against the couples lifestyle-- or homosexual-- against the child's implied preference and God's will?

It really isn't about the mechanics of having a child; it is about the moral issues in having the responsibility of raising a child correctly,as far as sexuality is involved.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), May 18, 2004.


Supposedly their is no difference between gay an striegh cupls and both can suppy the chold wiht a lovign environment. Also, supposeldy, if heir sexuality is innate,t he chidl will "Discover' his own sexuality later on, and be gay or streoght, hwoever hsi genes detemrine.

Recent studies hwoever reveal children reared in Homosexual households actually grow up wth a confused sence of sexuality. They also have higher rates of social dysfunction, and depression, as well as suicidiality.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), May 18, 2004.


no matter if you are bi gay or lesbian it doesnt matter.if god wants u to be happy it shouldnt matter the body parts one has. to have a baby only depends on the love you will give it not if it has a daddy. two parents despite the sex is better then one.it will grow up to love whatever sex they please even if your not straight it doesnt mean they dont have to be. but this is just my oppinion.i think it is rediculus how so many people have a problem with this. it shouldnt matter the body parts of your lover you arent in love with them because of the body parts they have.i mean come on get real. and if your really religious then you should know that god wants you to be happy no matter what. and your already forgiven if your saved for sinning so now tell me the problem???

-- sarah double (speciallilgurl3@yahoo.com), June 29, 2004.


sarah,

Homosexuality is plainly against the Bible. Canada already allows same sex marriage, and America will too in a couple of weeks. And if not now, in a few months. I don't know how people can still want Jehovah to "Bless America"

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), June 29, 2004.


Sarah

How, exactly, do you know what is in God's mind? Do you speak with God? How is it that you can say with extreme certainty that God wants us "happy" with any "body parts"?

How do you know that it is ok with God that homosexuals and lesbians can fall in love and marry each other and have sexual relations?

What else do you know about what God wants?

Logically, if God wants homosexuals to live as one, then please explain Genesis and the creation of Man and Woman? God did not creat a homosexual union. How, in light of this reality of Genesis, can Sarah say that God wants Man 'happy' regardless of "body parts"?

How could this world be populated unless God created the heterosexual order?

Body parts have a lot to do with the survival and population of our world. It takes a man and a woman to unite as one.....duh!

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), June 29, 2004.


Where the hay are homosexuals and lesbians gonna get their little babies, unless it took heterosexuals to make the babies? Homosexuals want what heterosexuals can make--babies. How can homosexuals deny God's creation of regeneration? It is so obvious that the nature of homosexuallity goes against God's will. Two homosexuals can not make a baby. How clearer must this simple truth be in order for people to understand God's will?

But, a heterosexual couple is not just a baby making union. The couple must also nurture the infant throughout the infants childhood and sometimes beyond. God's Scriptures note that a man and woman must be joined in "becoming" as one. That takes a life-time. The child born to God's will involves the mother and father as role models for the child. We are to become as one--a man and a woman. That is God's will. Homosexuality and Lesbianity goes against the very basic fundamentals of Christianity and Humanism, not to mention simple survival.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), June 29, 2004.


Sorry, change that to "Humanity" instead of "Humanism", please.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), June 29, 2004.


There are so many unloved, unadopted children. Why deny them the chance to live with a loving, nurturing couple, even if that couple is of the same sex?

You talk of homosexual couples influencing their children towards homosexuality, but how much sense does that make? Children of heterosexual couples still grow up and find themselves homosexual, so clearly the influence of heterosexual couples isn't enough to override a child's natural tendency. Do you really believe the influence of homosexual couples is any stronger?

On top of this, homosexual couples likely grew up themselves in households where they were pushed and shoved into an orientation that wasn't theirs (heterosexual), and so would know well the heartache that comes with it. They'd probably be very careful not to visit it on their own (adopted) children, and instead be supportive however the child ends up.

-- Famelica Prima (qunfangirl14@yahoo.com), August 08, 2004.



"Children of heterosexual couples still grow up and find themselves homosexual, so clearly the influence of heterosexual couples isn't enough to override a child's natural tendency"

You seem to forget that the majority of childern of heterosexual couples, do in fact grow up to be, heterosexual. Is it wrong to believe the same will happen if they were homosexual?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 08, 2004.


Sorry,

But once homosexuals can reproduce on their own, which out science or adoption, then maybe it can be considered.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 08, 2004.


*with out*

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), August 08, 2004.

no matter if you are bi gay or lesbian it doesnt matter.if god wants u to be happy it shouldnt matter the body parts one has.

{The rela issue here is, can you be happy dpign sokehign that is fondaentlaly destructive to your body and Mind? The answer is no. Homosexuality is inherently disordered. Lets face relaity here, those Body Parts just don align for sex with two men, or two women. Likewise, the rate of unhealtjy relationships and depresison is nearly 40 times Greater in Homosexual couples than in Heterosexual couples.

They wheren't designed to be togather sexually, and this defeats the whole idea of happiness.

God wants us to earn to be happy leadign a life of righeousness in acocrdance ot his will, not a life of sin and depravity. One can be extremely happy as a serial rapist and murderer, this doesnt mean the same person coudnt be happy with another lifestyle. The same applies to Homosexuals.}-Zarove

to have a baby only depends on the love you will give it not if it has a daddy.

{Not acordign to standard Biologt texts. all babies, 100% ofthem, have boht Mothers and Fathers, regardles of if their biological parents are rpeasent in the upbrigning.

My father died when I was 5, but I still have a father. I know another guy whose father died before he was Born. He was6 months inside his mothers womb when a traffic accedent took his father. He still has a father, who is regretabely now deceased. Your statement is logiclaly flawed.}-Zarove

two parents despite the sex is better then one.

{Not always. Woudl you think this if I told you of two abuseive parents, and ocntras tthat with a lovign and nurturing sigl Mother? Of coruse not! Likewise, studies indicate that Children reared in Homosexual homes show signs of mental upsets andpersonality disorders, woever the end results arent bakc yet.}-Zarove

it will grow up to love whatever sex they please even if your not straight it doesnt mean they dont have to be.

{The problem is that he bulk of the hcidlren n he world tend to mimic their home lives, this is why peopel who are abusive often had abusive parnts htemselves. Homosexual couples may indeed influence their childrens sexual identity. Likewis,e it may be even deepr intrenched than curent trends.}-Zarove

but this is just my oppinion.i think it is rediculus how so many people have a problem with this.

{We have a problem withhtis for reasons. One is th safety and welfare of the children invovled, which you just assume will be OK. Well, what if the end result is, on average, severe mental illness broguht on bu the confusion of this lifestyle? You cant say for sure the ramifications of rearign a child in a Homosexual environment, but you assume its OK and no different, this asusmption may very well lead to issues.

Likewse, Homosexuals tend themselves ot lead poor relational lives. On average the number of probelms and infidelity and promiscuity are greater in the Homoseual community than anywhere else. Likewise, ther forms of depression and neuriosis ar eocmmon even among those not persecuted by opponants of Homsoexuality and that liv in acceptign envrionments. Homsoexuals on average cant keep thr own life going right, so we shoudl let hem raise children?}-Zarove

it shouldnt matter the body parts of your lover you arent in love with them because of the body parts they have.

{Body parts matter, men and wmen are psycologiclly and biologiclaly designed ot be compatable.Likewise, love can be expressed nonsexually. I have many onsexual male friends, and nonsexual female friends. Also, you DO in fact cntrole your felelings. As you think, so you feel. Your feeligns are a byproduct of your thoughts. Thus, feed your mind a certain type f thought, an you instantly fidn yourslf feelign a certain way.}-Zarove

i mean come on get real. {You mean poinig out hte mental and phycial risks of Homoseuxality, the potential risk of rearign Children in a Homosexual run household, and showign how patently absurd your statements ar sint real?}-Zarove

and if your really religious then you should know that god wants you to be happy no matter what.

{This sint true. God wants you to be righeous and follow his Divine Law and Will, and learn to truly love others ad strive for compasison nd mercy, and built to perfection. No where in the word of God do we read God say " All I want is for you to be Happy."

The peopel in Sodom where probabely happy, they where still oblitorated.}-Zarove and your already forgiven if your saved for sinning so now tell me the problem???

{Saved form past sins, this doesnt mean future sins are OK...}-Zarove sarah

There are so many unloved, unadopted children. Why deny them the chance to live with a loving, nurturing couple, even if that couple is of the same sex?

{Because its unhealthy? Recent studies idicate signs of trouble, and future sudies may well indicate a high level of risk. The fac that we DONT KNOW if the same sex coules CAN produce a healthy envrironment for chuldren shoudl at elats gve us reason for pause. We cant just assume that its alovign environment therfore cn do as well a a Heterosexual cuple. We canno risk out children based on an asusmption that itsself is based on an asumption tat Same Sex coules are identical to Heterosexual couples, which is based on a Politically Correct line of thought and not hard science, which refutes this idea.}-Zarove

You talk of homosexual couples influencing their children towards homosexuality, but how much sense does that make?

{A lot, since Heterosexual couples often inlfuence them into beign Homosexual. What is Politically incorrec tto dicuss is the fac that the majority of Homosexuals have had abusive childhoods, or soem other triggerign mechanism that begins the proccess of them actually being Gay, that is later reinforced by a continued Homosexual lifestyle.

Homosexual environments themselves widl b worse, since the constant image of family is now Imposed full time. Then theirs the fact that most chuldrn learn of the way a family works by their own family. This is why children of abusice parents often end u abusive themselves, or with abusive spouses... tey imitate teir childhood.Do you relaly think this will be different for children reared in Homosexual homes? Likewise, and I ask agin, is it worth the risk to the HCildren to do soemthign we canot prove is safe and have evidence agaisnt it beign safe?}-Zarove Children of heterosexual couples still grow up and find themselves homosexual, so clearly the influence of heterosexual couples isn't enough to override a child's natural tendency.

{False analogy. As David noted, most tsill turn out Heterosexual.

Likewise, most Homosexuals tend to come form an abusive background.r where mlested as a Child themselves. Or had soem other insedence or chain of events that lead them to it. You ASSUME that their is a natural tendancy to be Gay, this si implicit in your post, most of the Datsa however suggests its a proccess that comes baout as te end result of several factors collidign in ones life.}-Zarove Do you really believe the influence of homosexual couples is any stronger?

{YES!!! Since the Child is exposed to it constantly as the normatie environemtn and children tend to imitate their hme life. Not all Chrldren do, but most!!!}-Zarove On top of this, homosexual couples likely grew up themselves in households where they were pushed and shoved into an orientation that wasn't theirs (heterosexual),

{This is further proof that you assume that the Homosxual is somehow intrinsiclaly Homosexual, ad that hey have a set orientation that canno change. Again, this is false. How do you explain peoepl who stopped beign Gay?

Homosexuals on average come form abusive backgrounds and express their feelings from these experiences in the form of Homosexual oreintation, this happens to a minority of cases, but if we allow ppel to be reared in a Homosexual environemt the level of Homosexuals will likely increase, sinc this will be what the children imitate.}- Zarove

and so would know well the heartache that comes with it.

{You know nothign of huma nature, do you? Peopel who come form abusive backgrounds know how much it hurts, but they often become abusive themselves in imiatation of their own upbrigning.

Again, can you PROIVE that a Homosxual ouple raising a chld will not be able to affec ttheir chice of orientation?>}-Zarove

They'd probably be very careful not to visit it on their own (adopted) children, and instead be supportive however the child ends up.

{Yeah Gay cupels ar emuch more supporting tan steigh tones...sorry, not buyin it, I know too much of Human nature to beelive this drivel...}-Zarove

-- Famelica Prima

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), August 09, 2004.


History shows that once a nation practices homosexuality openly, then it becomes bisexual. It happened to Greeks, some Canaanite nations,....

Pau when writing Romans says that at one time speaking to members of his Church that once they were that way. But now, they must live that lifestyle behind.

Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), August 09, 2004.


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