The Way-The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus

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Since many are still confused about the beliefs of a Christian Yahwist

I will begin to discuss my faith. That way you can give me input about what things you don't like or want to know more about.

The Christian Yahwist

The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 15, 2004

Answers

Elpidio, can you make something like a confession of faith?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 15, 2004.

Same topic in EZ board.

The Way-The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus

The Way-The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus is in no way related to the United way or the way international.

The Way-The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus was a name restored for the original Church by Elpidio Gonzalez in 1989 while still a Roman Catholic. It was first introduced in the internet in february 2002. Back then I was known as the Catholic Yahwist. My mission was to write to the Pope about things that might happen.

On January 1, 2004, the final break with the Catholic Church came as a member. Since then, the word, the Christian Yahwist came to be associated with me.

The Man of Yahweh was the word used for me in a dream I had about Prince Roger Nelson better known as Prince, a singer,in November 2001.. I wrote to him in 2002.

The Way international was started by Victor Paul Wierwille. Here is more information on him Victor Paul Wierwille

The Way international uses The Way to refer to their organization. That Church does not use the name Yahweh.See their web pageThe way International

The Christian Yahwist The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 15, 2004.


Confessions, David, like the Augsburg one, are in a question and answer form.

Why is it called The Way-The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus? From Acts: Act 24:14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

See also Acts 9:2, 19:9, and 22:4.

From Mark: Mar 1:2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

Mar 1:3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of Yahweh, make his paths straight.

Gal 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

1Cr 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Who started the Way-The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus? One was Paul-

1Cr 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet [have ye] not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. Eph 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus: 2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Also Barnabas, Timothy(Titus?), Silas , Luke,...

Is the Way-The Church of God open to everyone ?

Yes. God Yahweh wants everyone to be saved, even those who don't look for him.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called [us] with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 15, 2004.


Who created the Earth? Yahweh

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Why were human beings created? Because God yahweh wanted to share what he had created with individuals who could appreciate things the way he did.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Humans do evil. Why then God yahweh create humans? God Yahweh created humans because he believed what he had created was good.

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Why is God called Yahweh?

Exd 6:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I [am] YaHWeH: It means he causes things to exist.

So God Yahweh was known by another name? Yes, El, or El Shaddai. El is usually translated as God in the Bible.

Exd 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by [the name of] God Almighty, but by my name YaHWeH was I not known to them

Exd 2:24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.

Exd 3:6 Moreover he said, I [am] the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Exd 3:15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, YaHWeH God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this [is] my name for ever, and this [is] my memorial unto all generations.

The Christian Yahwist The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 15, 2004.


Is Yahweh as he was known by the Israelites, the same as Jesus? No.

Why Not?

Examples: Jesus calls God good when someone called him good teacher.

Mar 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why you called me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.

Jesus tells people to have faith in God

Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering says to them, Have faith in God.

Jesus recites the Shema, where God Yahweh is exalted as the only God above others.

Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; Yahweh our God is one Yahweh:

Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love Yahweh thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment.

Mar 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:

Jesus came from God and is returning to God. So if he is returning, then he is not God Yahweh.

Jhn 13:3 Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God; Even Jesus tells Mary he is returning to his God. Thus, he is not God.

Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Jesus prayed, thus showing the wasn't God Yahweh. To Whom did Jesus pray?

To God Yahweh.

Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou [wilt].

Mar 1:35 And in the morning, rising up a great while before day, he went out, and departed into a solitary place, and there prayed.

Luk 5:16 And he withdrew himself into the wilderness, and prayed.

Luk 22:41 And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,

What about his disciples and followers. Did they Think Jesus was God Yahweh?

No.

Peter said Jesu was a man and a prophet.

Act 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

[/i]Act 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; [/i] Did Jesus raise himself from the dead? No. God Yahweh did.

Act 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

Act 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

If Jesus is not God Yahweh, is he important for salvation, or not?

Well, God Yahweh has rewarded his sacrifice as a martyr for preaching the Way of Yahweh. He is said to be at the right hand of God, that is, in a high exalted position.

Act 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

In Peter's profession of Faith he states about Jesus that God Yahweh had anointed Jesus.

Act 10:34 Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Act 10:36 The word which [God] sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all

Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

Act 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, [even] to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead.

Same similar message in 1 Peter: 1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1Pe 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

What about Paul. Did he believe Jesus was God Yahweh? No.

Paul always starts his letters with the phrase:

Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

He always mentions God and Jesus as separate individuals.

Rom 1:8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Rom 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Paul calls God Yahweh the head of Jesus:

1Cr 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

Paul says God raised Jesus

1Cr 15:15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.

Paul says Jesus will deliver the Kindom to God (of those saved).

1Cr 15:24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1Cr 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all

What about James, his brother?

Jam 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 15, 2004.



Who is Jesus, Then

The Son of God.

Mar 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

Act 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [him] go.

Act 3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Act 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole

Act 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. Act 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

Act 7:56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

Act 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Act 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

Jhn 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.

Who did Jesus think he was? The Son of Man (as it appears in Daniel and Ezekiel)

Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Mat 26:2 Ye know that after two days is [the feast of] the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.

Mat 26:24 The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.

Mat 26:45 Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take [your] rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mar 2:10 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (he saith to the sick of the palsy,)

Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

Mar 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and [of] the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Mar 9:9 And as they came down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no man what things they had seen, till the Son of man were risen from the dead.

Mar 9:12 And he answered and told them, Elias verily cometh first, and restoreth all things; and how it is written of the Son of man, that he must suffer many things, and be set at nought.

Mar 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.

Mar 10:33 [Saying], Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be delivered unto the chief priests, and unto the scribes; and they shall condemn him to death, and shall deliver him to the Gentiles:

Mar 10:45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Thus, even Jesus never claimed to be God Yahweh.

The Christian Yahwist The Man of Yahw

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 15, 2004.


What about baptism, under whose name is it given?

God Yahweh and Jesus Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Mathew 28 is not in the name of God, and the son, and the Holy Spirit,

but in the name of God, and the son with the holy Spirit. see Mathew Mat 3:11

I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire: [/i]

Should people be baptized? Yes. Why? To be part of the community of believers. Baptism was started by John the Baptist as a way to make people change their life. Even Jesus was baptized by John. Baptims in the Early Church usually done in the name of Jesus.

John baptizing Jesus. Notice John saying Jesus baptizes with the Holy Spirit(Ghost). That is with the power of God’s Spirit. Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:

Jhn 1:33 And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

Mar 1:5 And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.

Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

Mar 1:9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.

When Jesus baptizes he stresses a person’s faith: Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The disciples baptizing in the name of Jesus. Notice people are baptized also with the Holy Spirit(Ghost) of God. This indicate again the Spirit as God’s power.

Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Act 8:36 And as they went on [their] way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, [here is] water; what doth hinder me to be baptized

Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

Act 19:5 When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus

God’s power sometimes precedes Baptism. Act 10:47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? Act 10:48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Purpose of baptism according to Paul Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned

1Cr 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God. Col 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, [do] all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Baptism is for everyone, not just Jews 1Cr 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Cr 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?

What if I have been baptized in the name of Jesus, should I be baptized again if I join the Way? No. Baptism is only given once.

What formula is used by Christian Yahwist to baptize?

In the name of Yahweh and his son Jesus Christ receive God’s Holy Spirit.

Anointing with oil –Consecration of members

Anointing with oil is another way the Way-The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus receives members into a communion.

The early Church anointed the sick with oil.

Jam 5:14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

Abraham was asked to practice circumcision

Gen 17:23 And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.

Yet when Moses took over and priest were chosen to serve Yahweh, oil was introduced in the consecration.

Exd 28:41 And thou shalt put them upon Aaron thy brother, and his sons with him; and shalt anoint them, and consecrate them, and sanctify them, that they may minister unto me in the priest's office.

Lev 16:32 And the priest, whom he shall anoint, and whom he shall consecrate to minister in the priest's office in his father's stead, shall make the atonement, and shall put on the linen clothes, [even] the holy garments:

Consecration also meant abstaining from certain things like sex. Exd 32:29 For Moses had said, Consecrate yourselves to day to the LORD, even every man upon his son, and upon his brother; that he may bestow upon you a blessing this day. Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, [both] of man and of beast: it [is] mine.

Even consecration of firstborns was introduced. Jesus was also a firstborn. Num 3:43 And all the firstborn males by the number of names, from a month old and upward, of those that were numbered of them, were twenty and two thousand two hundred and threescore and thirteen Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. Hbr 11:28 Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them. Hbr 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

NOTE:

The Way –The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus baptizes in the Name of Yahweh and his Son Jesus at least 1 year after birth.

Yet, it consecrates babies after birth, usually 7-8 days after birth . This parallels the Jewish circumcision of males. The Way considers males and females equal before Yahweh. So both are consecrated with oil.

At age 13 we consecrate them again as full members of the community of believers. This parallels Jewish bar mitzvahs and Bat Mitzvahs and Catholic Quinceañeras.

At age 21-full member of the community. Age 30-serve God Yahweh fully. This paralles Jewish consecrations at 20 for army duty and 30- 50 for priests.

Both men and women are treated equally. Why?

because the word of Yahweh has been revealed to women also. Sarah, Miriam, Huldah, Mary mother of Jesus, and Maria Libier Zavala are some of the women to whom Yahweh has spoken directly.

The Christian Yahwist The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 15, 2004.


Jesus came to preach entrance into God Yahweh's Kingdom

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God

Luk 4:43 And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

One enters in purity of heart like a child.

Mar 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

The doors of The Kingdom of God Yahweh are open for everyone

Luk 13:29 And they shall come from the east, and [from] the west, and from the north, and [from] the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

Baptism is a form to register people for the kingdom of God

Jhn 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Even Paul preached the Good news of the Kingdom of God

Act 19:8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

Act 20:25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

Act 28:23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into [his] lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and [out of] the prophets, from morning till evening.

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

Who doesn't enter the Kingdom of God? According to Paul the following:

1Cr 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Cr 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1Cr 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

The Christian Yahwist The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 15, 2004.


So these are some of the basic doctrines of faith.

A person can easily join The Way-The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus.

He only has to confess to belief in Yahweh as supreme God.

Belief in Jesus as the one showing us the way to salvation.

Baptism (water) as a means to join the community of believers for those who were born believers about a year after birth. For repentance of sins for those just joining in age 13 or older.

Consecration of all children to Yahweh 7-8 days after birth with oil. (No circumcision for gentile Christians. Circuncision for those born Jews).

Belief in Yahweh's grace and living a life of righteousness.

Pray to Yahweh in Jesus name.

Understand that only those parts where God Yahweh speaks in the Bible are sacred.

Realize that Yahweh continues to reveal himself to people. He hasn't stopped.

Understand that Yahweh cares for us and wants all of us to be saved, even those who don't believe in him.

Accept that Yahweh has always been there for humanity from the days of Abraham, Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Jesus, to our days. Not only he is the God of Jews and Christians, of Jehovah's witnesses, Yahwists, and Christian Yahwists , but of Budhists (sent a dream to gautama ), of Muslims(sent a revelation to Muhammad in a cave), but of all humanity.

Are Christian Yahwists Christian or Yahwists? Christians believe Jesus is Yahweh. Christian Yahwists and Yahwists don't. Yahwists still practice some rituals or beliefs of the Jews. Christian Yahwists don't follow lunar obervances or circumcision.

Christian Yahwists must visit at least one in their lifetimes some of the places where God yahweh has appeared to people. Examples: Ur, Bethel, Hebron,Jerusalem,...Los Angeles.

Christian Yahwists must help their brothers and sisters in need when they can.

Christian Yahwists will provide their congregations at at least with 1% of their income if they can. Christian Yahwists are not monitored for charity. See Numbers about the priests contributing to God.

Christian Yahwists see themselves as a new prieshood as envisioned in Hebrews. A prieshood of all believers.

Christian Yahwists will not commit abortion, try to divorce (divorce is permitted, but not on demand. We don't encourage it). They will not practice homosexuality and lesbianism. Neither will they try to engage in sex with people under 18. They will have only one wife or husband by following the example of Isaac, Isaiah, Mary and Joseph,...

Christian Yahwists accept that one can have different opinions about who God is, looks like, about heaven,...

Christian Yahwism once in the days of Paul reached humanity like fire. Christian Yahwism is here to stay, this time for good.

The Christian Yahwist The Man of Tahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 15, 2004.


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Basic Beliefs of The Way-The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus

1.      We believe in one God: Yahweh (pronounced Yavéh)” <I>Say this to the people of Israel, Yahweh, the elohim of your fathers, the elohim of Abraham, the elohim of Isaac, and the elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you, this is my name forever, and thus I am to be remembered throughout all generations</I>. Exodus 4:15. We worship our god Yahweh because we truly love him. Deuteronomy 6:4-5 <I> Listen Israel, Yahweh our elohim is the only Yahweh. And you shall love Yahweh with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength.</I>

2.      Yahweh our God wants our pure heart as attested by Jesus (Matthew12: 7 I desire mercy and not sacrifice) in quoting Hoshea 6:6 For I desire steadfast love and not sacrifice, the knowledge of God, rather than burn offerings. We do not sacrifice animals to God Yahweh for that reason. We set up altars with flowers and other plants lighted by candles in our homes and houses of worship. See Exodus 25- 27, and John 4:21-24, <I>23: But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the father in Spirit and truth. for such the Father seeks to worship him.</I>

3.      Yahweh our God continues to work. He did not stop sending messages to those that love him. [Jews think God Yahweh stopped in the days of Ezra and Nehemiah (5th century)]. Protestants in the days of Paul the Apostle. Catholics (Roman) think God Yahweh only appears to them.]

4.      Yahweh our God wants the salvation of all humans. Yahweh our God doesn’t want human beings to perish, but have eternal life. Isaiah 65:1-2<I> I was ready to be sought by those who did not ask for me. I was ready to be found by those who did not seek me. I said: Here I am, here I am, to a nation that did not call on my name. 2) I spread out my hands to a rebellious people who walk in a way that is not good, following their own devices</I>…. Isaiah 66:18-20  …<I> and I am coming to gather all nations and tongues, and they shall come and shall see my glory…</I> so through the grace of God Yahweh we can all have eternal life. As the Apostle Paul says in Romans in quoting Psalm 14:1-3 None is righteous, no, not one…no one seeks for God…

5.      Humans are born good. Genesis 1:31<I> And God saw everything he had made, and behold, it was very good. </I> We were not born sinners. We became sinners. So we don’t baptize babies to erase original sin as other Christians do. We baptize people to make them part of God’s family.

6.      People have freedom of choice (freewill). Otherwise we would not be created in God’s image. Men and women are equal before God Yahweh. Genesis 1:27 So God created human beings (Adam) in his image, in the image of God he created them (him); male and female he created them.

7.      Everyone must be consecrated to God Yahweh. Yahweh made a covenant of circumcision with Abraham and his descendants. (Gen 17:9-14, Exodus 13:1).  In The Way-The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus, people (men and women) are consecrated with olive oil on the 8th day. See Lev. 12:1-4. Jesus was also consecrated on the 8th day. See Luke 2:22-24. The priests were anointed with oil (Leviticus 8:10-13) on their heads. I peter states we are holy priesthood. I Peter 2:4-5.to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

8.      Jesus (Yehoshua, Yeshua) is the one God Yahweh chose to show us the true way to him, the Father.   Deuteronomy 18:15 Yahweh will raise a prophet like me…(see Acts 3:22) and Isaiah 53:1-12 …he shall see his offspring…by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous; and he shall bear their iniquities…. (See Acts 8:26-39). Jesus is not Yahweh. Jesus prayed to Yahweh whom he called Abba (father) Mark 14:32-39, Mark 7:46

9.      Baptism makes us members of the body of believers who accept Jesus as the Messiah or Christ. Peter said to them,” repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”(Acts 2:38). Paul said, "John baptized you with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus. 5) On hearing this they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. The Way-The Church of Yahweh in Christ Jesus baptizes children as young as one year with water in the name of Yahweh and Jesus, and lays their hands on them to receive God Yahweh’s Holy Spirit.

10.  Faith and righteousness are components of salvation. See Habakkuk 2:4, Romans 2:17 He who through faith is righteous shall live. James 2:18 -24But someone will say, You have faith and I have works, show me your faith apart from your works and I by my works will show you my faith…20) do you want to be shown, you foolish man, that faith apart from works is barren? 24) You see that man is justified by works and not by faith alone. But in the end, we all fall under God’s grace.

11.   In praying, we pray to Yahweh, to Yahweh in Jesus name, in the morning, before meals, before going to sleep, on the road, before conducting a major undertaking… We pray to give thanks, we pray to ask for mercy, we pray to worship him, we pray for our fellow humans, for nature, for the animals,…

12.  We care for our fellow human beings. We care for the animals, the plants, sea creatures,…

13.   Prophecy is alive even in our days, and will continue as long as Yahweh our God needs people to return people to Yahweh’s way to salvation.

14.  We believe that eternal life will be given to us in paradise (Heaven) also called the Kingdom of God. Mark 1:15 the time is fulfilled and the Kingdom of God are at hand; repent and believe in the gospel. Those who came a little short of God’s grace will go to the expiation place where they will wait for a time until they are ready. Those who did not get God’s grace go to the dark place until God decides their final destiny. Matthew 25:30 and cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth. We don’t believe in a place of torment like purgatory or a place of fire like Hell. God Yahweh did not create them.

                         

 

The Christian Yahwist on Prince:

I saw a an older mansion. As I entered , I saw the busts of famous people on the ground. Then, I came to the door. A butler came to open. He said, Please come in. He's been waiting for you for a long time. As I walked in, I saw a bust of someone I recognized from the 1980s: Prince.

The Butler said, Sir, The Man of Yahweh is here

The bust was moving. It had no legs, torso,or hands.

I sat. We talked.

This was in November 2001. He was one of three dreams I had. I later realized he had joined the Jehovah's Witnesses.

The Christian Yahwist The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 15, 2004.



everybody wants to start a new religion they think is closest to the orinigal, eh?

Three questions for your new sect:

Is Truth Eternal?

Who alone is Eternal?

Is Jesus Truth?

-- Max Darity (arrowtouch@yahoo.com), July 17, 2004.


In answer to your premise,

No, I did not want to start a new religion. My initian goal when I was a Catholic (Roman) leader was to amke the Roman Catholic Church bigger and better.

The dreams of July 2000-2004 changed all of that. Even Rod and Jim Furst can attest to that how I have changed little by little. I sounded more Catholic when they met me first.

As to your three questions:

Is Truth Eternal? No. God continues to revela more each day.

Do you think cavemen undesrtood more about the body than we do now? They did not know about cloning, evolution,....

Who alone is Eternal? God Yahweh (the one who causes things to exist). I talked to him on July 23, 2000 almost 4 years ago. Also Jesus in the same dream-vision.

Is Jesus Truth?

If you mean by that he is God Yahweh- No. He even said he was going to his God. (John). If you mean everything he said was true-No. He predicted his coming in AD 69 (There are some standing here who won't taste death until....).(Mark)

If you mean the one showing us the true wayto Yahweh-Yes.

That is why I am a Christian Yahwist. otherwise I would just be a Yahwist and follow the Old Testament.

The Christian Yahwist

The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 19, 2004.


Dave,

could/ should we have a rule that one-man threads such as this should be deleted -- ie not archived.

to lurkers, threads lke these might seem like a "done-deal", even though, as i suspect, the Christians here simply feel that this kind of Unitarian aproach is just not worth a response.

it's only a thought; and a tentative one at that.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), July 25, 2004.


Ian,

You are probably right some don't feel responding. Kevin said he would respond to Elpidio about the Trinity, perhaps he could on these threads.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 25, 2004.


Ian, there was a thread that David O. deleted. It had to do with our own personal/church beliefs.

Since I didn't have a Church building or site for people to go to, then I listed my beliefs here.

From another Thread some histroy on the subject.

Elpidio, I knew that you were gonna start a church before you made any hints about it. Do you remember? ...

..

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), November 21, 2003.

Yes, I remember. Remember also I told you that I couldn't do it as long as John Paul II was alive.

I owe obedience to this man because God sent me to be his conscience since 1991 after the death of my first son.

Since then, after many letters, I realize he has done totally the opposite of what I wrote to him.

May Yahweh our God have mercy on his spirit.

Elpidio Gonzalez

The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), November 22, 2003.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 26, 2004.



The Pope will die before November 2004. It is time I start doing what I believe should be done now.

I don't see myself tied up to him anymore. He chose what he thought was best for him and his Church.

May God Yahweh judge him on that.

The Christian Yahwist

The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 26, 2004.


>Is Truth Eternal? No. God continues to revela more each day.<

In order to "reveal" something, it must already exist beforehnd.

>Do you think cavemen undesrtood more about the body than we do now? They did not know about cloning, evolution,....<

Just because they (cavemen) did not know the truth does not mean it did not exist.

>Who alone is Eternal? God Yahweh.<

Is Jesus Truth?

JESUS IS TRUTH "I am the way, THE TRUTH and the Life" - Jesus

YAHWEH'S WORD IS TRUTH Psalm 119:89 "Your Word, O Yahweh, is Eternal; it stands firm in the heavens."

YAHWEH'S WORD IS GOD John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

YAHWEH'S WORD BECAME A MAN John 1:14 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us."

You must face the TRUTH...

Jesus is God's Word. Even Yahweh calls His Word Eternal. The Word became flesh and dwelled among us.

Let me quote what you said: "Who alone is Eternal? God Yahweh."

If only God is Eternal, and His Word is Eternal, and Jesus is God's Word, then we must conclude that Jesus is Eternal God, that He is God from God, Light from Light.

And if God's Word is Truth...

"Your (Yahweh's) Word is Truth." - John 17:17

And Jesus is Truth...

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" - Jesus

Then you cannot avoid the conclusion:

Jesus is Eternal. He has always existed in God and with God, because He is One with God.

Jesus is Eternal Life. If you do not have the Eternal Jesus, you do not have Eternal Life.

-- Max Darity (arrowtouch@yahoo.com), August 01, 2004.


Max, I had a similar argument with Eugene Chavez at the Catholic Forum. He said Iam meant God Yahweh, and Jesus says also calls himself Iam in John.

Then I said, I AM Elpidio, am I God? Of course not.

Just because many of the words used by Jesus in John are also used by God that doesn't make him or any other one God Yahweh.

Other examples

Isa 54:5 For thy Maker [is] thine husband; Yahweh of hosts [is] his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

God Yahweh is called a husband. Iam also a husband. Am I God? Of course not.

He is also called father

Psa 68:5 A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, [is] God in his holy habitation.

I am a father, Am I God? Of course not.

If those words apply to me and I am not God, neither was Jesus. God Yahweh doesn't kneel down to pray to himself.

God is not a mediator between himself and God if he is God. Thus, the only choice is Jesus. He is a true mediator.

In other threads, max, I have said that your arguments are solid.

But not here.Your arguments here Max don't qualify to proove Jesus divinity. Think of better ones.

The Christian Yahwist

The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), August 02, 2004.


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