Papal and Catholic Biblical Interpretation

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Why is it that Protestants when discussing biblical interpretation always seem to disregard that the pope is able to interpret the Bible? You talk about personal interpretation but don't seem to believe that the Pontiff can interpret the Bible. Just wondering why?

-- Scott (papasquat10@hotmail.com), July 21, 2004

Answers

"You talk about personal interpretation but don't seem to believe that the Pontiff can interpret the Bible" - Scott

First of all, which passages has he (or any past one) "infallibly" interpreted? Show me the documents.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 21, 2004.


John.6.53 So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you;

-- James (stinkcat_14@hotmail.com), July 21, 2004.

James,

I want the document/canon/whatever where it says the pope infallibly interpreted it.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 21, 2004.


Personal interpretation of Scripture is not part of the job description of the Pope, any more than any other individual. The accurate interpretation of Scripture comes through the Magisterium of the Church, which is not a specific body, but the collective teaching authority given to the Church by its founder, Jesus Christ. Correct interpretation comes about by the Holy Spirit's influence on theologians, scripture scholars and others, who pray, study, discuss, and receive collective guidance as the Lord fulfills His promise to His Church ... "the Holy Spirit will guide you to all truth". A Pope may or may not directly contribute to such interpretation, depending on his background as a theologian. But the Pope does confirm any doctrinal/dogmatic statements based on the Scriptural interpretations of the Magisterium.

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), July 21, 2004.

Actually Protestants accept the Popes ability to, withhte Holy spirit, interprett he Bible, tey merley do not limit it tohim, or the Magesrum, and acept that all men can do this.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), July 22, 2004.


Zarove

that's a very eloquent comment but it also explains why we hve 30,000 deniminations and growing.

the Holy Ghost inteprets Scripture.

yu and i have our views but they are foolish and plai wrong when they collide with the views of the Holy Ghost.

we are, after all, only human!!

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), July 22, 2004.


SPEAK FORYOURSELF!!!

Online I am a Pterosaur.

That said ( Rather loosely) we do not have 30'000 denoinaions, uts more like 8000. Please check the facts.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), July 22, 2004.


The figures also cite over 2,400 Roman Catholic denominations.

30,000 Protestant Denominations?

30,000 Protestant Denominations--Revisited

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 23, 2004.


I have met many individuals in my experience with church. It is in inescapable reality that many church goers tend to have their own interpretations despite their churchly teachings. I can sit with Methodist, Apostalic, Catholic, and you name it. They will generally recite what they have been taught, but they will also recite what they actually believe. It is interesting to notice that their doctrines and beliefs are two different things, not drastically different, but different. People are different and experience things differently. I guess that explains why their faith can be so diverse.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 23, 2004.


How do you deal with what you are supposed to believe vs what you actually find yourself believing. Christianity seems very concerned with correct belief

To some extent belief seems almost out of our hands. Its difficult to believe a teaching simply because you are supposed to. For me, my own ideology that has unconsciously developed over the years tends to sift through the dogmas and doctrines I should embrace, and out pops a belief that is different or somewhat different than the Church. I once mentioned these as doubts to JFG and he suggested they may only be difficulties. I prefer to think of them that way.

More often I simply try not to think about my "difficulties" and concentrate on what I do believe. If you ask me,--- I'm Catholic. If you were to disect everything I honestly admit to believe, you might wonder. (Bodily resurrection after the last judgement is one such difficulty. I know what I'm supposed to believe,--- but do I really?)

-- Jim (furst @flash.net), July 23, 2004.



Ypu are absolutely right, Rod,

They will generally recite what they have been taught, but they will also recite what they actually believe. It is interesting to notice that their doctrines and beliefs are two different things, not drastically different

especially Catholics and to a lesser extent Protestants hold totally to their own interpretations of dogmas, beliefs,...

Ask a Catholic who Jesus is? The Son of God. Is he God? No, he is the son.

Only those who attend on a regular basis will say he is God in the flesh.

Ask a Protestant about 666, the rupture, The Apocalypse, and you get so many interpretations too.

The Christian Yahwist The hristian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 23, 2004.


"Ask a Protestant about 666, the rupture, The Apocalypse, and you get so many interpretations too." - Elpidio

Does that have any impact on somebody's salvation? No. I think you misunderstand the Biblical concept of unity

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 23, 2004.


David, do I know whar salvation is? Yes I do. I have more unity in belief with Kevin, a Protestant, than anyone else here. Our only main difference is Jesus divinity. That is why you hardly see me arguing with him. Our common unity is trying to get at the core of original Christian beliefs.

We are using the same Bibles. How can that be? Our own personal interpretations.

Even tough I accept part of Calvinism, in the sense that Yahweh chooses certain people before they are born to be saved, it doesn't mean for me that the rest of the people (99%) are damned.

remember the sheep?

Mat 18:12 How think ye ? if a man have an hundred sheep , and one of them be gone astray , doth he not leave the ninety and nine , and goeth into the mountains , and seeketh that which is gone astray ?

Mat 18:13 And if so be that he find it , verily I say unto you , he rejoiceth more of that [sheep], than of the ninety and nine which went not astray .

What about Jesuscompassion? Mat 9:36 But when he saw the multitudes , he was moved with compassion on them , because they fainted , and were scattered abroad , as sheep having no shepherd .

So biblically, then David, even the lost are predestined to be saved!!! Why? Because Yahweh sent Jesus do do it. That is why!!!

The Christian Yahwist

The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 23, 2004.


Elpidio, you and him are both seriously messed up. His screwball theology has lead him to believe he can actually keep the law and attain perfection.

Your beliefs, are way unorthodox. You deny Jesus is God which makes you ipso facto a non-Christian.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 23, 2004.


"We are using the same Bibles. How can that be? Our own personal interpretations."

This is because you both don't hold to Sola Scriptura. Your heretical friend ignores half the Bible-the parts he doesn't like. As I told rod, your arguments are not with David Ortiz, but against the World of God.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 23, 2004.



My fight is not against the words of God Yahweh, David.

My fight is with those who think they know the words of Yahweh. That word of God was written by men, David. It was also revised.

Compare Exodus with Deuteronmy. Compare I_II Samuel and I-II Kings Unless with I_II Chronicles. Whatever happened to the Book of Jasher? The Book of the Wars of Yahweh?

Why do Mark, Matthew, Luke, John, and the Gospel of Thomas share common sections? (that is copied from each other)

Why does I John is the introduction of John?

Why is Revelation (Apocalypse) related to Daniel and Ezekiel? Because they copied from each other.

Try to discern God Yahweh's true words from revisions, copying, alterations, ....David.

The Christian Yahwist

The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 23, 2004.


Elpidio, you cannot find ONE error in the King James bible. The scholarship held by those men surpasses the "scholarship" of today. I believe God's promise to preserve His Words, and he did just that. Your arguments have been refuted elsewhere on the Net'. You can do a simple search and read them.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), July 23, 2004.

David, THE KING JAMES may be one of the best English translations, but IS NOT FREE FROM ERROR,

and you know it. I have pin-pointed that to you so many times.

And no, you or no one else has ever refuted me. If you did, then I would admit that whatever you presented to me was true,was from God, from Jesus,...

What is the KING JAMES BIGGEST ERROR, not using God's name: Yahweh, even though it appears 7000 times in the Old Testament at at least 200 times in the name from the Old Testament quotations.

That is why you see me changing the word Lord into Yahweh. Lord means master. Yahweh doesn't mean master, but he who causes things to exist.

The Christian Yahwist

The man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), July 23, 2004.


I need to get me a Wycliff Bible. I'm not sure, but I think it uses Yahweh throughout. At least, that was my first introduction to Yahweh.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), July 23, 2004.


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