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Kerry "gives the finger" to a Vietnam Veteran on Memorial Day How very Presidential: John F. Kerry “gives the finger” to a Vietnam Veteran on Memorial Day … in front of a group of school children.

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Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 a.m. Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, “Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here.”

At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about 6 feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN T-shirt.

Kerry then began talking to a group of schoolchildren. Sampley then showed the T-shirt to the children and said, “Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam.”

Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly ‘flashed the bird’ at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, “Sampley is a felon!”

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Kerry's exploits in Vietnam are disputed in best seller

By Rowan Scarborough THE WASHINGTON TIMES

Democrats capped Sen. John Kerry's presidential nomination last night by showing a Hollywood-produced movie of his life, featuring amateur film clips and testaments about his service in Vietnam as commander of a Navy river patrol boat.

But a group of former sailors who served with Mr. Kerry are telling a different story. Rather than depicting Mr. Kerry as a war hero, they are quoted in a new book accusing him of exaggerating and falsifying his experiences.

The group says that of 23 crew members photographed with Mr. Kerry more than 30 years ago in Vietnam, only one supports his presidential campaign. They will announce a nationwide campaign by "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" to tell the American public about what they say is Mr. Kerry's true war record.

The biographical movie shown last night, "A Remarkable Promise," shows "family and friends talking about the courage he has shown as a soldier and a veteran, the fights he has waged for middle-class values and the faith in family he has exhibited as a father and husband," the Kerry campaign said before its prime-time convention appearance.

The film was produced by James Moll, a partner of director Steven Spielberg.

The book, "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," from Regnery Publishing, is written by John E. O'Neill. Mr. O'Neill served in Vietnam at the same time as Mr. Kerry and followed him as commander on the swift boat.

Mr. O'Neill, riled by what he considered Mr. Kerry's false charge in 1971 of widespread war crimes committed by U.S. troops, has waged a public debate with the politician dating back to the "Dick Cavett Show" that year.

The book quotes Mr. Kerry's fellow combatants as saying two of his Purple Hearts came from friendly fire, not the enemy. The veterans also will dispute other stories Mr. Kerry has told.

"Unfit for Command" will not be released until Sept. 25, but the online Drudge Report yesterday broke news of what it called a "bombshell book." The book hit No. 2 on Amazon.com's best-seller list. Radio and TV hosts were clamoring for Mr. O'Neill to appear.

Regnery, which boasts a long list of best-selling conservative books, has put a tight hold on information until the official release.

Some of the book's charges have been aired by Veterans for Truth.

Retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, who commanded Mr. Kerry's task force in Vietnam, is one of the book's sources.

Adm. Hoffmann said yesterday he has supplied several instances of Mr. Kerry's purported lies. One example, he said, is Mr. Kerry's contention that he warned admirals of the folly of a certain river operation. Adm. Hoffmann said he and others were at the meeting, and that Mr. Kerry never made such a statement.

"The real truth is he didn't say a ... word," Adm. Hoffmann said.

Mr. Hoffmann is chairman of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which plans what it calls a grass-roots campaign.

"We're going to tell the truth — the fact that he was a perpetual, habitual liar," Adm. Hoffmann said. "I don't care whether it was perjury or lying before the Senate of the United States, or that two of his Purple Hearts are at least very specious, if not absolutely false, because he filed false after-action reports."

-- j n (jrnpro@yahoo.com), July 31, 2004

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"Kerry "gives the finger" to a Vietnam Veteran on Memorial Day How very Presidential: John F. Kerry “gives the finger” to a Vietnam Veteran on Memorial Day … in front of a group of school children."

I don't suppose their's a source for this?

"The group says that of 23 crew members photographed with Mr. Kerry more than 30 years ago in Vietnam, only one supports his presidential campaign. They will announce a nationwide campaign by "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" to tell the American public about what they say is Mr. Kerry's true war record. "

Umm...did you actualy watch the convention? I beleive they had all the men on Kerry's boat there with him on stage and all volunteered to be involved in his campaign.

BTW, even if Kerry's war record is a bit overblown (which remains to be proven), you have to keep in mind that at that time period, BUSH WAS AWOL SNORTING COCCAINE! Put things in perspective, dumbass.

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), August 01, 2004.


So...

You're saying Bush has more sense than Kerry, or what?

BJ

-- 2 (1@3.4), August 01, 2004.


BWAHAHAHAHAHA, YOUR ARE SUCH A PATHETIC LIBERAL.

1. KERRY DID GOOD IN VIETNAM 2. WHEN KERRY CAME BACK ANTI VIETNAM WAS COOL SO HE GOT IN ON THAT BECAUSE HE WANTED A POLITCAL CAREER. 3. UP ON STAGE HE YELLED ABOUT HOW THE SOLIDERS WHERE BABBY KILLERS AND STOMPED AND SPIT ON PEOPLE'S MEDALS (NOT HIS OWN). 4. KERRY HAS A MAIN PLAN OF PULLING MOST SOLIDERS OUT WITHIN THE NEXT FOUR YEARS, THIS IS A JOKE OF COURSE BECAUSE IN 4 YEARS ANYONE WOULD HAVE MOST THE SOLDIERS OUT. 5. IT IS A FACT THAT MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD HOPE BUSH DOESNT WIN BECAUSE THEY KNOW A LIBERAL WONT BE SO HARD ON THEM. 6. APPEARS TO ME THAT KERRY HAS A PAST OF BEDDING DOWN WITH THE ENEMY JUST FOR A FEW VOTES. HE IS A GRADE A MAN!!!

-- SWORDSWASTIKA (LOL@LOL.COM), August 01, 2004.


Umm...did you actualy watch the convention? I beleive they had all the men on Kerry's boat there with him on stage and all volunteered to be involved in his campaign.

Ummmmm...and you ask other people to bring a source? Is this what you call solid information?

"...Well just ask the people who he served with in Nam. AS of right now, he maintains the support of only one of his 20+ military members with whom he served."

What the rest think of him -www.scaryjohnkerry.com

Kerry has the exact same position on Iraq as Bush. So that would cancel out it between bid for the white house from an "Israeli Puppet." (All of the Presidents of the last 50 years could be called that) That just leaves it as a race between a socialist stooge with an even bigger bullshitter & destructive trial lawyer as a sidekick. Against a moderate.

Next time bring some sources of your own, BOZO!

-- Ralphus (sendspamandviruses@herenow.net), August 02, 2004.


To the person who is posting this thread,

You don't have to keep posting it. You've posted this about seven times. One is enough. We can all respond to this one, no need to post it again.

"You're saying Bush has more sense than Kerry, or what?"

What? I said that Kerry was in Vietnam earning medals while Bush was AWOL snorting coccaine...how did you get that?

"Ummmmm...and you ask other people to bring a source? Is this what you call solid information? "

Seems pretty solid. Watch the convention. It was on all the major networks. Did you watch it or not? If not, go find a video of it. I'm sure CNN and MSNBC will be rerunning clips for the next couple of weeks. Although you don't seem like the kind of person who watches the news. Well, maybe FOX News, but that doesn;t really qualify as news...

Kerry had all the people who were on his boat up there with him on stage, with the exception of one who was dead. I and millions of other Americans saw it, and you would have too if you actualy made the attempt at informing yourself by watching something that challenged your beleifs. Hey, I plan to watch the Republican convention. At the very least, it'll give me more ammunition to bitch about Dubya.

J n made a claim that John Kerry had given the finger to the Vietnam Wall, and I wanted to know where he got that information. But since j n seems more interested in posting the same thread seven times in a row, I'm going to assume he copied and pasted it off of some website like a lemming and has no idea where the information is coming from.

Speaking of not knowing where information is coming from, your "scary john kerry" site, while possessing a rhyme worthy of Doctor Seuss himself (this is about the closest thing to a compliment you're going to get out of me), boasts NO sources for the outrageous claims it makes, and links to a site called johnkerrylied.com which also shows not a single source. If you run a smear website that makes claims as suspiciosu as those, you had damn well better show a few of your sources. Unless of course it's bullshit.

Tell you what, here is an example of a site that backs up every one of it's claims.

www.realchange.org

It objectively exposes the skeletons in the closet of politicians from both ends of the political spectrum. They've got a great page on Bush and they're working on one for Kerry. Check it out.

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), August 02, 2004.



JUDGE ME ON MY RECORD --Kerry

Gets back from vietnam condems commons solider on stage and spits on other peoples medals........ lol and got his ass beat by a navy man in Washington DC.

Will marry a rich woman drain her and move on. Never works a blue collar job ever. George Bush worked in oil fields with the common workers. Thanks to his dad.

Kerry NEVER shows up for work and only casts voted on 2/3 of votes most of his vote was always a NO regardless of the bill.

Kerry in his speach sums everything up in 76 words lol 1010 word speach but can sum up 20 years in 76 words.

In the opening film real of kerry he acts out something he never did with spielberg (jew name) superimposing bullet fire in the water like in saving private Ryan. I hope bush has a reinactment of him flying to Iraq for thanksgiving say "we got to get this turkery to the troops damn you" and rockets goign off all over trying to hit his plane. Anti-Bush if Bush had had that in his opening film what would you say?

-- FacistCarter (Pike159@aol.com), August 03, 2004.


"Gets back from vietnam condems commons solider on stage and spits on other peoples medals........ lol and got his ass beat by a navy man in Washington DC."

What exactly did he say to this soldier? Kerry was right to oppose the war in Vietnam. It was a senseless waste of human life. Millions were killed in a power play between the U.S. and Russia, over whether Vietnam would have a communist dictatorship or a capitalist one. All the Vietnamese people wanted was for us and the Russians to go the fuck home, and that's what we all should have done.

"Never works a blue collar job ever."

Oh yeah, cause the Republicans are just champions of the working class, right?

"George Bush worked in oil fields with the common workers."

I find that very unlikely. He might have trekked out there for the occasional PR stunt, but on a regular basis? I'd like to know where you heard that.

"Kerry NEVER shows up for work and only casts voted on 2/3 of votes most of his vote was always a NO regardless of the bill."

I'm starting to like him more already. We don't need more laws. Especialy not federal laws. We've got too many as it is.

Oh, and by the way, a Bush supporter has no right to accuse Kerry of slacking off. Bush spent the four months out of his first year in office on vacation.

I wonder...if he had been working, could 9/11 have been stopped? I guess we'll never know.

"In the opening film real of kerry he acts out something he never did with spielberg (jew name) superimposing bullet fire in the water like in saving private Ryan."

How do you know it was superimposed? Care to back up that statement?

"Anti-Bush if Bush had had that in his opening film what would you say?"

I'd say that if he really cared about our troops he wouldn't lie to send them off to war.

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), August 03, 2004.


"What exactly did he say to this soldier? Kerry was right to oppose the war in Vietnam. It was a senseless waste of human life. Millions were killed in a power play between the U.S. and Russia, over whether Vietnam would have a communist dictatorship or a capitalist one. All the Vietnamese people wanted was for us and the Russians to go the fuck home, and that's what we all should have done. "

You fucking liberal piece of shit! Are you saying spitting at a US soldier, the highest grade citizen 1 big step above your worthless existance, is ok? Are you saying that when my father came back from nam having hippies like you ride him and call him babby killer is the cool just thing to do? do you think screaming about a war that we could have won prematurly brinign back our boys when the NV say they only had 6 weeks left in their fight when we started to step down slowly is cool?

"Oh yeah, cause the Republicans are just champions of the working class, right? "

everything in a normal republican's economic plan is for the good of workers. under reagan the rich got richer by 12% but the poor got richer by 12% too. so go to hell.

"I find that very unlikely. He might have trekked out there for the occasional PR stunt, but on a regular basis? I'd like to know where you heard that. "

ask rickey ranger a person who has seen the backshot of my hallway my family is very wealthy yet my dad has me go out with spics and pic cabbage and makes me shouvle horse shit like he had to. bush didnt say dude i am a teen let me bust my ass his dad told him too kerry has always been sheltered.

"I'm starting to like him more already. We don't need more laws. Especialy not federal laws. We've got too many as it is.

Oh, and by the way, a Bush supporter has no right to accuse Kerry of slacking off. Bush spent the four months out of his first year in office on vacation.

I wonder...if he had been working, could 9/11 have been stopped? I guess we'll never know. "

once again your a piece of shit. why? because some of the things he voted no on where things like armor for soldiers and a law protecting unborn babbys.... lacy peterson law. clinton had 8 and a government had osama and offered him to clinton yet he turned it down. we had bombings over seas and lost serive men on the USS Coal what did we do hit a abandoned terrorist camp in Afganistan (the CIA told clinton osama wasnt there) and killed sheep farmers.

"How do you know it was superimposed? Care to back up that statement? "

LOL BECAUSE THEY PUT KERRY IN A FUCKIGN POND AND REALLY HAD DINKS SHOOT AK47s AT HIM FOR A POLTICAL RALLY LOL YOU COULD TELL ANYWAY NOTICE THE BULLET BEAM BUBBLED? ANYONE KNOWS IF IN REAL LIFE YOU SHOOT INTO WATER AIR BUBBLES DONT FOLLOW THE BULLET AND LOOK THE BULLETS WHERE THE SAME EXACT EFFECT FROM ANOUTHER JEWBERG MOVIE SAVING PRIVATE RYAN!

HOW DID BUSH LIE HOW DID HE LIE HUH? 14 words turns out now we know sadam did try to buy uranium.

US RUSSIA FRANCE BRITAIN ISRAEL ALL SAID IRAQ HAD THEM OR WAS TRYING TO MAKE NUCLEAR WEASPONS (WHICH HE THAUGHT HE HAD BUT HIS GENERALS DIDNT WANT TO TELL THEM THEY DIDNT HAVE NEW STOCKPILES) lol screw you dude if you where him and intel from your nation and everyone else's came in and said he has terrorist connections with israel he has tried to make nuclear cannons and now we thing he is after it again and may sell them to radicals what would you do? especially after 911 be willing to take anouther chance or say hit him now tell him let us in and check everything or we are busting in. what if he had sold info to terrorists and we dont know it yet???????????????????????????????

-- FacistCarter (Pike159@aol.com), August 04, 2004.


"You fucking liberal piece of shit! Are you saying spitting at a US soldier, the highest grade citizen 1 big step above your worthless existance, is ok? Are you saying that when my father came back from nam having hippies like you ride him and call him babby killer is the cool just thing to do? do you think screaming about a war that we could have won prematurly brinign back our boys when the NV say they only had 6 weeks left in their fight when we started to step down slowly is cool?"

Did Kerry spit on a soldier? I've never heard that. I heard he spit on some medals. Where'd you hear that? If your father didn't kill any babies, no one had any right to call him a baby killer.

The Vietnam War was wrong, and yeah, it was wrong to spit on soldiers, you have to understand their mindset. These were people who were resisting the establishment that the war was merely a byproduct of. The fucking country was coming apart at the seams at at that point it really seemed like "us vs. them". For God's sake, soldiers had murdered four kids at Kent State! The man running the country was a megolomaniacal sociaopath with no morals who was intent on dismantling democracy all around the world. The Democratic Convention of '68 was just a fucking disaster, as people all across the country were calling for a candidate who could take on Nixon, like Hughes or McGovern, but the Democratic Party sold them out and nominated a safe candidate. When the protesters came to Chicago they were met with clubs and fire hoses and pepper spray. Peacefull anti-war protesters. And Richard Daily ordered the police to just be brutal to these protesters. Delagates were dragged off the floor by cops in riot gear when they started defying the Party. Reporters were getting roughed up on the convention floor. Protesters were getting the shit kicked out of them for the simple crime of defying Emperor Nixon. The government was sending kids off to die for a bullshit war in Vietnam. I really was us against them. Yeah, the hippies got a little rash, but you have to understand the times. I don't see you whining about the soldiers that murdered four protesters at Kent State--protesters who were calling for the soldiers to come home!

"everything in a normal republican's economic plan is for the good of workers. under reagan the rich got richer by 12% but the poor got richer by 12% too. so go to hell."

Bullshit. Where'd you get those figures? If the Republicans had their way, corporations could fuck their workers over as much as they want. History has shown that the Republican Party, and conservative politicians in general, favor big buisiness. Labor laws do not come from the Republicans. The minimum wage did not come from Republicans. Corporate responsibility does not come from the Republicans. Environmental laws do not come from the Republicans. Worker's rights in general do no come from the Republicans. What have the Republicans proposed that is good for the average worker?

"ask rickey ranger a person who has seen the backshot of my hallway my family is very wealthy yet my dad has me go out with spics and pic cabbage and makes me shouvle horse shit like he had to. bush didnt say dude i am a teen let me bust my ass his dad told him too kerry has always been sheltered."

Your dad seems like a good guy. No need to use racial slurs, though. They're just guys trying to make a living. If you can't see that, you're dad hasn't succeeded.

Bush never worked a blue collar job either. That's bullshit. Whare did you hear that? And how has Kerry always been sheltered any more than Bush?

"once again your a piece of shit. why? because some of the things he voted no on where things like armor for soldiers

The bill he voted no on wasn't just body armor for the soldiers. It was part of the $87 billion Bush was asking for Iraq. The Pentagon had plenty of funds already. The $87 billion was a complete waste of money. The Pentagon had the money to provide body armor, Dubya just wanted to give it away to Halliburton and let the taxpayers pick up the difference. You want a tax and sopend liberal, look no further than George W. Bush!

"HOW DID BUSH LIE HOW DID HE LIE HUH?"

Well let's see...he said that Iraq was trying to purchase Uranium from Niger, when in fact all credible evidence pointed to the contrary. Then when Joseph Wilson pointed out that the Uranium story was bullshit, the Bush Administration exposed his wife, an undercover CIA agent (which is treason). The documents cited as "evidence" were third-rate forgeries.

In his 2003 state of the union adress, Bush ingored Wilson's report and repeated the lie anyway. Then he said Iraq had imported high- strenth aluminum tubes to be used in a centerfuge. That had also been disproven before the adress by the Interational Atomic Energy Agency.

George Tenet sent multiple memos to the White House telling them that the information they were citing as pretext for war was false, but hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good war?

Bush said Iraq has mobile weapons labs, as well as stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons. Nothing of the kind was found. The two "mobile weapons labs" that Bush claimed to have found were proven by the British to be hydrogen tanks to fill up balloons.

Then Bush said Saddam was in cahoots with Osama bin Laden. He just plain pulled that one out of his ass. Not a single piece of credible evidence was given for that one.

The "intelligence" the Administration cited included a grad student's paper based on twelve-year old documents (parts of the paper were shamelessly plagiarized from other sources). Condoleeza Rice admitted that their "intelligence" was twelve years old--from before the first Gulf War--on Wolf Blitzer. The President knew the intelligence was flawed or at times completely made up, but he still went to war. Need more proof?

"14 words turns out now we know sadam did try to buy uranium."

It was actualy 16 words. And we actualy know that Saddam didn't try to buy urnaium. That story was made up and was proved false by Joseph Wilson. You know, the guy who's wife's life was put in jeopardy by Dubya so he could settle a political score?

"US RUSSIA FRANCE BRITAIN ISRAEL ALL SAID IRAQ HAD THEM OR WAS TRYING TO MAKE NUCLEAR WEASPONS (WHICH HE THAUGHT HE HAD BUT HIS GENERALS DIDNT WANT TO TELL THEM THEY DIDNT HAVE NEW STOCKPILES)"

Now that's just plain bullshit. Tony Blair repeated everything Bush said like an obedient little lapdog, but the rest of the international community kep trying to tell us that the nuclear weapons story was bullshit. The International Atomic Energy Agency reported to the UN that the aluminum tubes story was wrong.

"lol screw you dude if you where him and intel from your nation and everyone else's came in and said he has terrorist connections with israel he has tried to make nuclear cannons and now we thing he is after it again and may sell them to radicals what would you do?"

Saddam had terrorist connections with Isreal? What the fuck are you smoking, buddy? Last I checked, Saddam hated Isreal...

And no, all credible evidence coming into the White House showed that Iraq did not have weapons, but the Bush Administration manipulated the evidence, falsified reports, stretched what little evdince they did have, and just pulled most of the stuff out of their asses.

"clinton had 8 and a government had osama and offered him to clinton yet he turned it down."

Stop repeating everything you hear on Rush Limbaugh. The sotyr you're reffering to is that the Sudanese government had Osama and was trying to make a deal with Clinton to give him up. Bullshit. What actualy happened was that a man CLAIMING to represent the Sudanese government CLAIMED he could arrange the extradition of bin Laden if we gave him a bunch of money. The CIA was unable to find any connection at all between him and the governemnt of Sudan, or that Sydan even had bin Laden. The men was completely unreliable and the CIA decided he was almost certainly full of shit.

When you hear Bill O'Reilly spout out an outrageous claim like that, check up on it and stop wasting everyone's time.

"what if he had sold info to terrorists and we dont know it yet??????????????????????????????? "

What if we actualy had any evidence to suggest that he did? Well, I guess we'll never know...

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), August 12, 2004.


Everything that I've read that is against Kerry is a goddamned lie.

-- TThhee PPeenniiss iinn tthhee RRyyee (astralrero@yahoo.com), August 12, 2004.


"The Wall" is a public monument on Federal property and anyone of any political or moral conviction is welcome there, whenever the park is open. Harassing another individual while he or she may be visiting that (or any other) public monument on Federal property is a misdemeanor and is therefore punishable by law.

Now, from a strictly personal point of view, were I at a public park paying tribute to my dead comrades, and these are my dead comrades, and a man I didn't know came up to me and opened his raincoat, I'd be tempted to hit him in the balls. I may have to reconsider my vote for Kerry because he didn't...no, on second thought, I guess that's still his privledge, isn't it.

Life in America is a privledge, come to think of it, and one element of that privledge is my right to live and work and worship and visit monuments as I choose. I don't have to suffer the indignities of redneck morons exposing themselves to me under any circumstances... and neither does Senator Kerry who actually had the balls to serve in the nation's military.

Over 3,000,000 civilians were killed in that "war" that our nation was too cowardly to call a War, someone killed them? Was it you? Was it you, or you? Did nobody kill them? Were they killed accidentally in the fog of war...whoops! It wasn't a war, was it?

John Kerry asked a pertinent question when he returned: "Who gets to be the last man killed for a mistake?" He was referring to our people, but it's an interesting question and still isn't answered. Some 80,000 people have been killed or maimed sine the "police- action" in Southeast Asia "ended" by unexploded ordinace with which we carpeted the countryside. I mean right now, today, some little kid will step in the wrong place or pick up the wrong ball and...poof! A war crime 30 years later. Just because you personally did not shoot civilians during that time - and many of us did, having no way to tell the good guys from the VC - does not lessen your guilt. Whether you pulled the trigger or just turned your head aside while other terrified kids did, does not relieve you of the responsibility. Not then...not now.

So you keep your monuments and your silly, alcohol fueled pride, and while you're at it you keep ignorant southerners out of office. All they ever cause is trouble. And one more thing; if you're ever at the Wall and you see an old guy about 5-10 and 240 lbs, bald with a big scar on his head, y'all be sure and leave him alone, hear?

-- Dave Viking (TheViking@vikingdave.com), October 07, 2004.


Here's another aspect of the story about Kerry at the Wall that we haven't really explored: the fact that IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. You think Fox News wouldn't jump all over that shit in a second? The poster (a coward who wishes to post his bullshit annonymously, has failed even to provide a source for where that story came from. I've given him numerous chances to do so, and it shouldn't be do hard if it's true. But it's not. Either this dipshit pulled this story completely out of his ass, or he plagiarized it from someone who did.

-- Anti-bush (Comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), October 07, 2004.

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