Please explain what it sais on the Pope's hat in English...Thanks

-- George Felouzis (geofel@pghmail.com), August 18, 2004

Answers

Nothing. There is absolutely no inscription on the Pope's miter ("hat").

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), August 18, 2004.

George Felouzis, May be you should have asked what was written on the Pope's hat prior to the change around the 1950's. The information I have is that, " Vi Vi Vi " were the markings on the front.

Vernon7

-- Vernon L Morgan (vernon7@clear.net.nz), August 18, 2004.

actually, paul m is quite correct.

there is nothing written on the papal mitre, nor on the formerly used papal crown. there was an inscription on a crown given to the pope in the middle ages, but that was never used by the pope, it was merely a gift.

the common myth, to which it would appear george is trying to entrap us with, is that the papal mitre is inscribed with the words "Vicarius Filii Dei" which would (using horrible roman numeral manipulation) add up to the number 666. HOWEVER, in order for this scholarly misapplication to apply one must first change the letter u to a v, otherwise one only comes up with a disappointing 661. furthermore, one must realize that the term "vicarius filii dei" isn't even gramatically correct in latin. the proper term, which is the actual title of the pope, is "Vicarius Christi" or vicar for Christ. incidently, loosely translated "vicarius Filii Dei" translates to vicar of the Son of God, but that doesnt account for the incorrect grammar used.

again, however, no title, nor any other inscription, is written on the papal mitre, not even "Vi, Vi, Vi" (which, one notes, adds up to 666 also) which is a myth that, as a catholic, i hadn't even heard yet.

-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), August 18, 2004.

I wonder where you got this Information Vernon?

-- Jacob R. (jacobrainey@hotmail.com), August 18, 2004.

Paul H

Just out of curiosity, why is 'Vicarius Filii Dei" grammatically incorrect? Is it the word order?

-- Similis summe confusus, hic. (no@ddress.com), August 18, 2004.

"Vicarius Filii Dei" - "Vicar of the Son of God" - is not grammatically incorrect; however it is not and never has been an official title of the Pope, so it would be an odd thing indeed to appear on his miter. Sort of like "King of the USA" appearing on the Presidential Seal on George W. Bush's podium. In fact the phrase has never appeared on any papal miter or on anything else associated with the Pope, or in any official teaching document of the Catholic Church.

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), August 18, 2004.

actually, paul m, i had been told that it IS gramatically incorrect...

that is, that vicarius filii dei translates directly to vicar of the Son God. in order to make it mean vicar of the Son of God it would have to be vicarius filius dei.... although thats just what i've been told.

-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), August 20, 2004.

paul h,

Vicarius filii dei is grammatically correct because vicarius is used as a noun.

Vicarius: Vicar --

Filii: of Son --

Dei: of God --

The better order for "vicarius filius dei" would be "filius vicarius dei" since vicarius is used as an adjective to the nominative case filius = substitute son of God. It would also be grammatically correct but would make terrible sense anyhow. Paul M is right.

God bless,

-- Vincent (love@noemail.net), August 20, 2004.

ei ubi es ut non Rex Amrica ?

( forgive the cride Latin, Im rusty, and am takign coruses.)

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), August 20, 2004.

Sit stillabit sed amanto hiscat!

-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), August 20, 2004.

LOL!

Would this work?

Adversus sit stillabit sed paulum hiscat :D

-- Vincent (love@noemail.net), August 20, 2004.

Nevermind, it's not as funny.

Thanks for the good humor, Paul.

-- Vincent (love@noemail.net), August 20, 2004.

Dear Friends: As I went through this thread I was wondering how is it that the same question is asked over and over again. It is difficult to know to what denomination the person asking belongs. In any case the question about he POPE'S HAT or MITER is as old as the Catholic Top Level.

The first mesage was sent on January 6, 1998 and on January 17 of the same year there was this question:

-- What does the Miter say on it in English?

And from that day on here are the different times and questions asked about the same subject:

-- Pope's Head Piece, April 20, 1998

-- How is it that the Pope is Vicar of God.....? April 29 2000

-- Pope's Headress, February 3, 2001

-- What are the name os the hat the Pope wears? May 12, 2000

-- What does the title on the Pope's crown mean? Sept 23, 2003

-- What does Vicar of Christ mean? May 27, 2004

When you enter the title page of Catholic Top Level if you slide down the page you'll come to a section reading:

Older Messages (by category) and there you'll see how many times this question has been asked.

I am wondering:

1- The people asking are they Catholics wanting to know more about their Church ?

2- Or are they Catholic bashers with no intention whatsoever of learning more about Catholicism?

3- In order to avoid going again, and again, and again on the same subject, could the Moderators just have a link to all the answers given so far?

I am a novice about how computers work and I don't know ho to go about it, but the Moderators have sufficient knowledge to do this work in an excellent way.

Enrique

-- Enrique Ortiz (eaortiz@yahoo.com), August 21, 2004.