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Kevin asked me where one finds in scripture where one finds that righteousness saves a person. Elpidio, You wrote, "As long as we follow a righteous path, Luke, we all be saved."Please show where this is written in Scripture???
If the gospel is God's power to salvation (Romans 1:16) and it is, then how will someone be saved without obedience to the gospel???
-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), September 24, 2004.
Since this is a general topic abpout salvation, then I decided to discuss the 3 main topics discussed about salvation in the New testament.
-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), September 29, 2004
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-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), September 29, 2004.
I believe we have conflicting views also on salvation is because different writers in the New testament focus on different aspects.Matthew, letters of James, Jude,... focus on righteousness. The Catholic Churches :Roman, Orthodox, traditional, Anglican,...tend to focus on this one. So do Messianic, Ebionites,....
Luke, Paul and his letters: Romans,Corinthians, Galatians,...focus on faith. Evangelicals (Protestants), baptists,...tend to support this view.
John, I,2, 3 John, Hebrews, ... focus on love. Pentecostals, Charismatics,...tend to support this view.
Mark is kind of neutral. So is 1 and 2 Peter. Kind of righteousness , grace, love ...mixed together.
Are the Churches of Christ also kind of in between?
I am kind of in between: I support Paul's concept of grace since God Yahweh is merciful enought to forgive sometimes our trespasses.
I also follow a righteous path.
Since I blieve the clue to being with God Yahweh is love, then love is part of my belief system as a means for being saved.
The Christian Yahwist
-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), September 29, 2004.
Elpidiodoes not Our Lord answer this one.
He says to us in St John 15.10 (and elsewhere words to same effect):
"If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love"
Therefore, we see that the Commandments provide the key.
in St Matthew 22, we see:
[36] "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
[37] And he said to him, "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38] This is the great and first commandment.
[39] And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
isn't that code for "righteousness".
we see this here in St Luke C.1:
[5] In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechari'ah, of the division of Abi'jah; and he had a wife of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth.
[6] And they were both ***righteous*** before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), September 30, 2004.
We're saved by an ACTIVE FAITH, not just an ACT OF FAITH."faith working through love"
-- Max Darity (arrowtouch@yahoo.com), October 07, 2004.
Faith and Works.....So, yes, "Active Faith" would mean Faith and Works.
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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), October 07, 2004.
Elpidio,You wrote, "I also follow a righteous path."
You may "think" you follow a "righteous path" but you are deceived.
How can you follow a "righteous path" when you don't even believe that Jesus is God???
If Jesus is "not" God, then I suppose that Thomas lied about Jesus when he said in John 20:28, "My Lord and my God!"
You claim that you "follow a righteous path" but you have "not" obeyed the gospel of Christ.
-- Kevin Walker (kevinlwalker572@cs.com), October 09, 2004.