I wanted to write my version of history(from a textbook). very short but the point will be clear. Whites were not innovative till recently. I saw a show on African tribes and they had to work all day to feed themselves . They had no time for devoloping culture. It turns out Well known societies needed access to a water source and food source. One of the first was, The African nation of Egypt, was built around the nile river. They had Impressive architecture like pyramids. Egypt developed tools for surgical precedures and even found a way to disinfect wounds.They spread these discoveries with the East. Civilizations in CHina and India also started around rivers. Greeks grew around the aegean sea. Skipping ahead Romans were made up of 3 non white groups. they were the Latins, The Etrucans, and the greeks. Europeans may have had swords and less civilized dwellings but along with various resources white slaves were brought down into spain from britian. White slaves were taken from the European part above Italy then called Scandanavia. After the fall of Rome European kingdoms started up. What were the ubermensch up to?? Creating spaceships and such i bet... no they were still poor compared to constantople and bagdag. In my opinion, there were very little innovations, they basically adpated preexisting roman technology. This went on for about 1000 years. They spent most of this time reforming religon building churchs,and politics with other european nations. Asian nations became more advanced and even took baths.. Europeans would not take up this daily practice for some time. New ideas And the Renaissance began in italy in 1300. By wanting to bring back the past they made something new. Innovations in war and art among other things. it would take about 200 years before spreading in northen europe. Before 1500 European scholars decided what was true or false by quoting an ancient greek or roman author, Such as aristotle unless the bible said different. Thanks to these movements, Science started up in germany, other wise they would still be chucking spears.

-- (...@..com), November 20, 2004

Answers

Chuckers, you're still a moron. Get over your inferiority complex over the color of your pale, putrid skin and maybe you'll start seeing what everyone's been talking about.

-- (you're @ moron.com), November 20, 2004.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-99005

"they were hamitic, not aryan, they had no connection with with peoples. look at copts, this coptic girl represents a great example of an ancient egyptian They look like neither white nor black." "Those who are too black are cowards, like for instance, the Egyptians and Ethiopians. But those who are excessively white are also cowards as we can see from the example of women, the complexion of courage is between the two." (Aristotle, _Physiognomy_, 6)

Why were whites going to Desert? They had no business there and they did not evolve there. http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/MESO/SUMER.HTM Among the earliest civilizations were the diverse peoples living in the fertile valleys lying between the Tigris and Euphrates valley, or Mesopotamia, which in Greek means, "between the rivers." In the south of this region, in an area now in Kuwait and northern Saudi Arabia, a mysterious group of people, speaking a language unrelated to any other human language we know of, began to live in cities, which were ruled by some sort of monarch, and began to write. These were the Sumerians, and around 3000 BC they began to form large city- states in southern Mesopotamia that controlled areas of several hundred square miles.

-- (...@...com), November 20, 2004.

Well UpChuck, still posting bullshit links, eh? StormFront is just another typical website filled with lies and deciet. I checed those links out and they're all useless crap, just like you. Every post you make only further erodes what little credibility you even wish you had. Just keep posting this line of tripe and further humiliating yourself and your daddies and we'll keep laughing at losers like you.

-- (AKO'S Mom is doing 360's in her@ grave.com), November 20, 2004.

I don't need to read that stuff.. if u or anyone else believe there was white people in the middle east.. Why were they there? how were they able to travel that far? Asian society is like no european society, they didn't need white men to hand them a society because once it found water a society grew. If white men even in small minorities were at head of these societies there would be more evidence, hence a diff history completely. also this small minority would have to have been a constant presence For the supposed blonde hair blue eyes= Brillance= civilization theory to hold true.

-- (..@..com), November 20, 2004.

Anyone interested in history or the facts presented go study.. my version while true was simplified and short..

-- (..@..com), November 20, 2004.

Hey douche bag Nordic honkies did travel about but how would they gain power in egypt? they were foreigners. egyptians were depicted with BROWN SKIN AND THICK LIPS SUCK MY DICK

CASE CLOSED

-- (..@..com), November 20, 2004.

HEY Honky CRAcKA PIECE OF SHIT Pharoahs were not depicted as white.. maybe they depicted brown skins just because.. this has never been done before in all of history..

-- (..@..com), November 20, 2004.

Honkies would not have any reason to goto egypt to start an advanced civilization PERIOD CASE CLOSED

-- (...@..com), November 20, 2004.

Funny, Ako, I was under the impression they were all crusty and brown after 4000 years in a box. Why don't you send a credible link this way, and stop being such a dumbass. And by the way, were all those hyrogliphs lying? Were they all lying about being white? Because they look pretty brown to me.

-- U msut Feers Me (Dubyalovesblow00@hotmail.com), November 20, 2004.

I checked the encyclopedia and found no info on any summerians being white. only that they were at what is now modern day iraq. I saw conan the barbarian and he is supposed to be summerian.. stop watching these movies! I checked under egypt and once again no talk of white boys. THIS IS MAINSTREAM HISTORY! your alternative history if true should be taken to historians. Perhaps the books i checked will be rewritten.. also i am not black ur insults do not disturb me... honky!

-- (..@..com), November 20, 2004.

When the Ice Age started, the mammoths were moving across the Beringia/Siberian landbridge. During this time, in the Ice Age, the Asians needed food to survive. So they followed the mammoths across the landbridge (Beringia/Siberian landbridge). Everyday they caught mammoths to eat. After years and years walking across the landbridge, they came to a land which is now called Canada. They continued following the mammoths. Since the mammoths were going south, the Asians went south. They came to a land which is now called America. They then traveled Southeastern to the East . The Asians lived for years living off the mammoth, using every part. The skin was used for clothing, the bones were used for tools, and the meat was used for food. After their travels they would rest for 1 or 2 days so they built temporary homes out of whatever they could find. Then the Asians would follow the mammoths to where ever they were going.Now you can see it was a rough place out there in the Ice Age.

SUCK MY SALTY BALLS

-- (...@..com), November 20, 2004.

http://library.thinkquest.org/J001457/how_they_traveled.htm

-- (...@..com), November 20, 2004.

There is evidence of these movements unlike ur supposed whites.. and notice i mentioned a motive dumb ass

-- (..@..com), November 21, 2004.

YOU DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM ACCEPTING THAT THE MONGOLOIDS TRAVELLED TO THE AMERICAS AND EVENTUALLY WENT DOWN TO SOUTH AMERICA TO DEVELOP THE CIVILIZATIONS SUCH AS THE MAYANS. HIstorically they are accounted for every step of the way to present day.

YET WHEN IT COMES TO THE WHITES WHO TRAVELLED TO EGYPT AND STARTED THE EGYPTIAN CIVILIZATION, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

YOU ARE NOT BEING CONSISTANT WITH YOUR LOGIC. THe only logic i've applied was Opening a book to see if it was true. I can say the romans had rocket cars but when checked or brought before an expert it's obvious they didn't. Personally, if you brought this before an expert i would love to be there, TO WITNESS YOUR DELUSIONAL ASS HIT WITH SOME REALITY!

-- (..@..com), November 21, 2004.

lose the damm caps, do you feel you need to shout to be taken seriously? have you got some kindof inferiority cmplex of your own?

Whats with all the 'honkey , craka' stuff? I bet your some white guy pretending to be black. Looser.

-- .. (losethec@ps.already), November 21, 2004.

Caps used for emphasis.. Do you only have problems with the white racial slurs?

-- (..@..com), November 21, 2004.

just the facts. (truth@last.net) Something tells me ur this guy so i am done with you..

-- (..@..com), November 21, 2004.

My final statement: My post was not to discredit European achievement but to point out our modern civilization as more a multi-cultural effort. This is not surprising to anyone who has studied it. Why hasn;t sbm posted..? we were talking about rome and islam. the post disappeared and this was part of a response. not important now i gues.... Fin

-- (..@..com), November 21, 2004.

I saw on PBS somthing about the oldest know artifacts in the Americas where found in South America and not presentday Canada as would be assumed with the Land Bridge Theory. They then gave several alternative explanations as to how the Native Americans got here... Including peoples from Western Africa navigating the Atlantic and landing here.

-- Dick Tator (inneedofliberty@yahoo.com), November 21, 2004.

To All: Greetings from the Oracle. Perhaps if the gentle readers would allow, the Oracle would like to interject as an uninterested third party and provide some apparently much needed input. During His extensive research and reading He wandered across this item.

If any brave reader would take the time to visit the provided link, they will discover how a state government of the United States OFFICIALY classifies Egyptians.

The link is in PDF format.

http://www.schs.state.nc.us/SCHS/pdf/SCHS139.pdf

On page three of the seven page document you will find the following: North Carolina submits its vital records data to the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) as part of the National Vital Statistics System. Under a contract where the NCHS provides funding for these data, states are required to incorporate NCHS coding specifications for demographic and other items on the vital records, including race. North Carolina vital records are still coded to a single racial group. For birth and death certificates, all text entries for race are converted into one of the following ten categories: White, Black, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Hawaiian, Filipino, Other Asian or Pacific Islander, Other Entries, and Not Reported.

In addition, there is an Appendix in the NCHS Coding Instructions that lists hundreds of terms that might be written in the race box on the vital certificates, with an indication of which of the ten fixed race categories should be assigned to them. For example, Hispanic, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Egyptian, Cuban, Moroccan, Persian, Syrian, Turk, and Yugoslavian should be coded to White. African, Dominican, Jamaican, Liberian, Mulatto, Octaroon, Quadroon, and West Indies should be coded to Black.

It should be noted that the great state of North Carolina views Egyptians as members of the white race. Also keep in mind that these statistics are entered into the larger NATIONAL database.

Let there be no more doubt or debate as to the race of Egyptians. It is quite clear. Do not take the debate up with Me. North Carolina and the United States of America have spoken on this matter. Debate them.

As always, the Oracle knows what you are thinking before you think it. One may claim that NOW, in modern times, the population of Egypt is white, but you are tempted to testify the Ancient Egyptians were black. If you are counted among those, be prepared to provide an acceptable reason why the Negroes abandoned their advanced civilization, their pyramids, their science, their technology and turned their gaze southward to the jungle with the grandiose plan of rebuilding their empire one mud hut at a time.

-- Oracle (sitdown@backofthebus.com), November 21, 2004.

In addition, there is an Appendix in the NCHS Coding Instructions that lists hundreds of terms that might be written in the race box on the vital certificates, with an indication of which of the ten fixed race categories should be assigned to them. For example, Hispanic, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Egyptian, Cuban, Moroccan, Persian, Syrian, Turk, and Yugoslavian should be coded to White. African, Dominican, Jamaican, Liberian, Mulatto, Octaroon, Quadroon, and West Indies should be coded to Black.

Hispanic, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Egyptian, Cuban, Moroccan, Persian, Syrian, Turk, and Yugoslavian should be coded to White UHH good post but since they are not aryan i am pretty sure they won't be able to play in your reindeer games.

-- (..@...com), November 21, 2004.

Oracle are you saying all Non black people are white??? Spics wet baks??? Chinks??? all white??? All the links you provided are biased... Unbiased text books say different. Egypt started with the nile river not the appearance of caucasian foreigners.

-- (..@..com), November 21, 2004.

http://pirate.shu.edu/~wisterro/cdi/Pharaoh%20Crowned.jpg

-- (..@..com), November 21, 2004.

http://www.geocities.com/enbp/ One of the most common ways of assessing population relationships has been the comparative analysis of skull types. Such a study was carried out by the physical anthropologist C. Loring Brace and five co-researchers (Brace et al., 1993) who statistically analyzed a range of 24 cranial measurements from diverse world samples, including ancient Egyptians. The results of the analysis suggest that ancient Egyptian crania had elements in common with those from Southwest Asia and Neolithic Europe, as well as North and Northeast Africa. However, the Egyptian skulls showed very little similarity to African crania from the more distant south and west. The plot below shows, as accurately as is possible in two dimensions, the relationships between craniofacial configurations of the various regional samples. The predynastic sample from Upper Egypt lies very close to the West Eurasian group but also shows tendencies toward some neighboring African groups; this should not be surprising given Egypt's geographical position near the crossroads of Africa, Asia, and Europe. The northern Egyptians deviate even more strongly from the tropical African pattern, and indeed their closest relatives appear to be western Eurasians and coastal North Africans. Notice that the pooled group of Sub-Saharan Africans from the southern, central, and western regions of the continent does not resemble Egyptians at all: this group is plotted very distant from both ancient Egyptian samples. Similar conclusions are reached by Howells (1989, 1995) and Froment (1992, 1994)

Numerous mummies with hair still attached to the skulls show that straight, wavy, or lightly curled hair types were common in ancient Egypt. For example, in a study (Titlbachova and Titlbach, 1977) involving detailed microscopic investigation of hair samples taken from several ancient Egyptian mummies, most were determined to have been naturally straight, wavy, or gently curled, with a roundish cross-section typical of modern Eurasian and North African peoples. Only a minority showed evidence of structural characteristics traditionally called "Negroid"; even in these the "Negroid" elements were weakly manifested.

Joann Fletcher, a consultant to the Bioanthropology Foundation in the UK, in what she calls an "absolute, thorough study of all ancient Egyptian hair samples" — relied on various techniques, such as electron microscopy and chromatography to analyze hair samples (Parks, 2000). She discovered that most of the natural hair types and those used for hairpieces were made of what she calls "Caucasian- type" hair, including even instances of blonde and red hair. Fletcher surmises that some of the lighter hair types may have been influenced by the presence of ancient Libyans and Greeks in ancient Egypt. However, this type of hair was also found to be present in much earlier times.

Likewise, when the ancient writers described Egyptians as melas or melanchroes, they almost surely meant "dark-complected" rather than literally "black." Any ambiguity in such descriptions can be resolved by noting that other classical writers such as Manilius specifically identified the Egyptians as medium in complexion rather than "black," and that the Egyptians portrayed themselves as lighter and finer-featured than their African neighbors to the south.

cya

-- (..@..com), November 21, 2004.

Good post ur link let others decide. I think u made the mistake of me being a poor weak indivual posting "NIGGER THEORIES AND LIES" somehow by calling me nigger dipshit i would be embarressed and lose. i cannot lose! I HAVE BEEN A REPRESENTATION OF CONTEMPORARY HISTORY ,were you to change history i still would not lose because i have only quoted the facts. I have had the opposite affect my post will become reference points, it will open more arguments to those facts that no one is supposed to argue over. This being my last post, I go out like Obi wan kenobi Mother fucka In death stronger then eva before NIGGA!!! SUCK MY WASHINGTON APPLES BITCH!!

-- (..@..com), November 21, 2004.

...did Ako seriously just say "WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD"? I don't think he's been there yet, how can he tell people to go?

-- U msut Feers Me (Dubyalovesblow00@hotmail.com), November 21, 2004.

I read all this shit and all I know is ako is using this as a tool to rally racist. He has no intention to make his stuff credible.

-- (AKO'S Mom is doing 360's in her@ grave.com), November 21, 2004.

"If you are counted among those, be prepared to provide an acceptable reason why the Negroes abandoned their advanced civilization, their pyramids, their science, their technology and turned their gaze southward to the jungle with the grandiose plan of rebuilding their empire one mud hut at a time."

They did not abandon their nation, they were conquered by the (white) Greeks who turned on them. The advanced culture of Egypt started in what was known as Kush, by people who are today called Ethiotians. If you take one look at King Tut's funeral mask, you can clearly and instantly see that he was of Ethiopian origin. The science and technoligy of the Egyptians was contained in the Library of ASlexandria which was burned (again by the whites) almost FIVE TIMES. But not before many the ancient scrolls were spirited away to Rome across the Mediterranean.

You are right about be being bored of this subject, but I have loads of supporting evidence. Besides the fact that I have actually been there as a tourist and seen the heiroglyps first hand. There is no way to change the appearance of the clearly Negroid and other mixed race peoples depicted in them. The clincher is that there are also white traders depicted in the heiroglyps....but the Pharoahs were depicted as either medium brown or black...not white. Why would white kings depict themselves as brown? It doesnt really matter what we say in this thread. AKO just wants to create a focus on race where the rest of us dont.

I have stomped on him with this too many times over the years, and Im just bored of his asinine responses and lame links from StormFront. Here is a link which leads to a short article:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3639

Egypt was the first great "melting pot" (as all great nations have been). There were no race based separations in the cosiety, and the whole concept of racial "superiority" was absent altogether. Seems that the whole racial supremacy issue is an invention of the whites, with the rest of humanity wondering why its such an issue for them.

FOR THE "Oracle":

"For example, Hispanic, Mexican, Puerto Rican, Egyptian, Cuban, Moroccan, Persian, Syrian, Turk, and Yugoslavian should be coded to White. "

BWAHAHAHAHA.

Also the Indians and Pakistanis are supposed to be "coded" as white. WHY? They are very VERY dark. Most Indians are darker then most African Americans, and many shades darker than Hispanics. BWAHAHAHA. There is nothing white about them. The Hispanics of Europe can be called white, but not the Mexicans (whose mixed sSouth American Indian blood is derived from an almost non-existent "Red" race which was to include all of the North and South American peoples formerly known as Indians. Members of this group became a distinct phenotype, but was borne from the Asian group which crossed the land bridge in the Bering Strait. There is evidence that Africans crossed the Atlantic THOUSANDS of years before any europeans did, and settled countries in South America. The Olmecs are an example.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 22, 2004.

Oh, and something I needed to print which pretty much closes the foolish notions of AKO and Oracle: Egypt was started at the source of the Nile River (Upper Egypt), and as it grew over the thousands of years, expanded into what became Lower Egypt. Because of our American viewpoint, people assume that the Nile flows from the Mediterranean "down" into Africa. WRONG! The Nile begins in Ethiopia (where Upper Egypt is). The First Pyramid was built in Upper Egypt, not Lower Egypt. The First Pharoah was born in Kush (Ethiopia), as were many thereafter. Even today, the Ethiopians have chisled features and do not look like the stereotypical flat nosed thick lipped Central and West African peoples. BUT, they ARE African negroes, and they started Egypt.

The revisionists have even started their own pseudo-science (Egyptology), specifically to address this embarassment to white supremecists who refuse to accept the truth. The French artist who first saw the Sphinx did an etching of it (nose and lips intact). Why are so many noses on Egyptian statuary broken off? I bet you cant guess. Here is a link to that etching: http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/diop1.jpg

Why would a white man depict the Sphinx as a black Bantu??? Its better to read the account of Egypt as written by Asian scholars who dont have the propensity to revise history to suit their needs. I will not waste the time of readers here by engaging AKOFUCK yet again on this subject. YEARS ago he was banned from our boards.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 22, 2004.

I really enjoyed those posts

-- (...@..com), November 22, 2004.

Egypt was the first great "melting pot" (as all great nations have been). There were no race based separations in the cosiety, and the whole concept of racial "superiority" was absent altogether. Seems that the whole racial supremacy issue is an invention of the whites, with the rest of humanity wondering why its such an issue for them.

While I agree that the Egyptions were black, I cannot however see what would make you say that the concept of Racial Superiority was absent. Dont you remember the Jewish Slaves that their society was based on?

-- Dick Tator (inneedofliberty@yahoo.com), November 22, 2004.

I saw a show penn and teller bullshit.. While this is just a show, Experts talked about no egyptian evidence of jews in egypt. The episode was about debunking the bible and the history inside it.. If there were jews, Romans also had slaves and they did not believe either the aryan germanic tribes or those from etopia, regardless of genetics, to be equal to rome regardless of genetics. it's hard to say if this was the case with egypt since it was only the jews. If there were more slaves it would be easier to discriminate.

i said i wouldn't post anymore but perhaps it's a control issuse and i am an addict.

-- (..@..com), November 22, 2004.

i said i wouldn't post no mo i swears this is it...

-- (...@..com), November 22, 2004.

The Jewish slave issue was not one of race. It was one of socio- economic indentureship (to repay debts), or to stabilize their income. You could consider the employer/employee relationship as a Master/slave relationship under the Egyptian model.

http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/2001/9/8a/article_01.htm

"Some Jews voluntarily became slaves to their fellow Jews in order to repay debts. This practice protected people from starvation and actually allowed many to recover from poverty. Furthermore, at key junctures in the Jewish calendar, slaves were to be released if they so desired.* (Exodus 21:2; Leviticus 25:10; Deuteronomy 15:12) Commenting on these laws regarding slaves, Jewish scholar Moses Mielziner stated that a "slave could never cease to be a man, he was looked upon as a person possessing certain natural human rights, with which the master even could not with impunity interfere." What a stark contrast to the abusive systems of slavery that mar the annals of history!"

There are no racial laws or migogyny rules or caste systems which were in place based on race. The whole race thing, the superiority thing, started in Europe and nowhere else. Slavery was not originally based on race at all.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 22, 2004.

India IS in Europe (Eurasia). Racism started in Europe. You are a moron, and you are beneath me.

-- KOBE SBM (KOBESBM@KOBEHQ.COM), November 22, 2004.

"TO ALL VIEWERS ,YOU SEE KOBE TOBY ACTUALLY BELIEVES THAT THE WEAK ASS SHIT HE HAS POSTED REFUTES THE MANY LINKS I HAVE PROVIDED."

Any link which includes the word "stormfront" in it should be disregarded. I believe what I post, because its the truth. Apparently, everyone else here (except Oracle) agrees. You have no supporters here, and nobody is chiming in to back up what you say. Why bother posting it?

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 22, 2004.

Dont talk to me about not answering questions. In "AKOBADAGETH's debate thread", only one question was asked of you, and you still have not answered it. I dont even know what question it is you are asking.

DO YOU HAVE A BLACK FRIEND? That was followed up with DO YOU HATE BLACKS (which you sort of answered, but not clearly).

As I said here before, I DONT HATE YOU AKO. I dont understand you, and I dont like you, but I know I dont hate you because you are American (a poor example, but American anyway). As such, I cannot hate you. All of the racial shit you keep trying to push doesnt interest me. I will only continue to post CREDIBLE links to refute what you say. Cant we move on to another subject? Why is it so important for you to feel superior to someone? Its okay to be disabled. Many people are.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 22, 2004.

Okay, I have my answer (and my proof). Now, ask your question and I will try to answer it.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 22, 2004.

"KOBE TOBY ,STUPID NIGGER, EUROPE AND ASIA ARE TWO DIFFERENT CONTINENTS"

I specifically said EURASIA because unlike you, I know that "Europe" and "Asia" is actually a single land mass, not separate continents. The misnomer is for scientific convenience only....but you knew that, of course. The "Oracle" must be in jail, since he has not come here to "embarass" me as you said he would. Perhaps he has decided not to engage me in a debate. He thought I was some "ordinary" nigger, just like you did. BWAHAHAHA

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 22, 2004.

Put your dick back in your pants, boy. I will answer your questions and you will have to accept the answers I give as MY ANSWERS to your questions. Wether you agree or disagree is irrelevant. You have asked me to answer your questions, and here are my answers:

"IF THE NIGGERS WERE THE CREATORS OF THE EGYPTIAN CIVILIZATION THEN WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THEM?"

Um...didnt you read the posts above? Egypt was finally conquered by the Greeks, who stole most of their culture from them. The Greeks had infiltrated Egyptian politics and destroyed it from within. The Egyptians were not a warlike people, and did not have an army or a navy (in the military sense). Little or no resources were devoted to defense from attack. The concept was not known to them when Egypt was started. The written knowledge of the Egyptians was first STOLEN from the Great Library, and then the Library was burnt to the ground at least FIVE TIMES. Having destroyed the history and culture of the great Egyptian civilization, there was no way to retrieve it. The tribal blacks (primitives and think lipped/flat nosed) of central and southern Africa were never part of Egyptian culture.

HOW DID THEY GO FROM BEING THE MOST ADVANCED RACE AT THAT TIME TO LIVING LIKE PRIMITIVE ANIMALS AS THEY STILL DO TODAY IN AFRICA

As I said above, the tribal blacks you refer to were NEVER part of the establishment of Egypt. They live now as they did thousands of years ago. Why? Because food and water are abundant, and there is no need to develop "high technology". Why would they need it? Whites have developed many attack strategies and war technology because they came from a region where food was scarce, shelter and other resources were limited. No such development in that behavior occured in the plentiful regions of the Earth where there was plenty (South America, Africa, Central Asia). The whites are warlike and aggressive and terrirorial because they HAD to be.

EXAMPLE:

If I live in a tree, and that tree bears fruit which is my only food, and I get my water from that fruit, why would I need to develop hunting behavior? Why would I need to learn how to climb or to run from predators? You dont understand anthropology, or the logic would lead you to the answers to many questions.

I HAVE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS. Do not make that statement again about me not answering them.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 22, 2004.

"ALSO IF WE WHITES WERE THE CAVE DWELLERS AS YOU SAY, THEN HOW DID WE CAVE DWELLERS MANAGE TO RISE UP AGAINST THE NIGGERS AND DEFEAT THEM AND TAkE OVER AND RULE THE WORLD EVER SINCE?????????????"

Caucasians WERE cave dwellers, and arose shortly after the last Ice Age ended. They did not exist before then. The hunting behavior, the territorial wars and fighting aggressively for resources was a NECESSARY part of Caucasian behavioral development and survival. The whites seem to be the only ones interested in "rising up and defeating" other peoples. Nobody wanted what THEY had (which was a resource depleted and food deficient region). Whites seem to be the only people interested in "ruling" others. Now, the nation-states of the world are ruled by persons of many races, and in the United States, the whites have chosen to share the highest levels of power with BLACKS. Not Asians or Hispanics, but BLACKS. Please explain why your beliefs are not shared by the vast majority of white people?

This is but one possible final solution to the problem of racism. Here are some of the best solutions people have made (specifically excluding all of the more violent suggestions) regarding what to do with racists:

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 22, 2004.

Actually, there are several types (just as there are in Caucasians). Saharan Blacks are different from East African blacks, which are different from Central African blacks, which are still different from West African blacks (Ethiopians). They look different, behave differently, speak different languages and established the Kingdoms of Kush, and later Egypt. Too bad we cant post pictures here. Look it up and you will see what Im saying is true.

As for the jungle comment, you are a fucking moron about that too. There are the rainforests, the savannah, the desert, the rivers....all giving rise to different cultures all over Africa, centering around water sources. Unlike Europe, Africa is game-rich all over the continent (except the desert areas), and always has been. The Ethiopians were brilliant, and had their own calendar and a language which may have given birth to Hebrew. They have the same exact chiseled features as those of Queen Nefertiti, and still look the same today. They are AFRICAN NEGROES. You can read about it here:

http://www.ethiopianhistory.com/articles.html http://exodus2006.com/cal.htm

(sidenote: Did you know that the Indians of India are technically ARYANS?, even though their skin is as black as the blackest African?)

Today, Ethiopia is a poor country,and people are dying by the thousands from AIDS

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 22, 2004.

EITHIOPIA WAS ONCE A WHITE COUNTRY

OMG.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 22, 2004.

is it just me or does ako have the writing mannerism of an obnoxious fat man? don't attempt to argue the legitimate stuff taught in schools with the stormfront history.

http://www.reidkelly.com/New%20Folder/images/fat-man.jpg

-- (ako@fatman.com), November 23, 2004.

I did not make the post immediately above this one. Some desperate loser did. Im still recovering from the statement AKOFAG made:

ETHIOPIA WAS ONCE A WHITE COUNTRY

BWAHAHAHAHAHA. Anybody care to produce any evidence to that statement? Take your time.....

AND THIS:

"IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR A PEOPLE OF THAT IQ LEVEL TO HAVE BUILT THE PYRAMIDS. THEY COULDNT EVEN PUT TOGETHER A LEGO SET LET ALONE THE FUCKING PYRAMIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

As I said before, all IQ tests measure is the ability to take tests. Whites invented the IQ test....for what reason? There are idiot savants who can calculate devision of two fractions out to 10 decimal places, yet cannot tie their own shoes. An IQ test not only would not be able to measure that ability, but it couldnt properly calculate an IQ level based on the score.

Answer me this, O'Retarded One: If whites are the architects od Egypt, why cant they figure out how "their" pyramids were built? What happened, did they achieve technological greatness and then suddenly LOSE it? Why did they discover that the Earth travelled around the Sun, then change their minds and believe (for more than 2000 years) that the Earth was the center of the Universe? WHY, did the mythical whites of Egypt build all of their great monuments (whose build dates are being revised to almost 7000 years BC), then decide to go across the Mediterranean and live in caves and create primitive rock piles like Stonehenge? Why did they change from the complex heiroglyphs (which they can "no longer" read) to primitive runes? You got your head in your ass, boy. The truth is already revealed, but you simply refuse to accept it. I dont have to defend the Truth...it simply stands there in front of your cum dripping face LAUGHING at your "UNDISPUTUGABETLE FAXTS". Pathetic.

What's next....whites also built the pyramids in South America and the monuments in Asia too? BWAHAHAHAHAHA.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 23, 2004.

BWAHAHAHA. So you are trying to convince me that the "white man gods" gave all knowledge to the Egyptians, the Mayans, the Chinese, etc, yet in Europe (the CRADLE of the White Race), "science" was trying to turn lead into gold. Intelligent scientists were being burned at the stake because they believed "correctly" that the Earth travelled around the Sun. And lets not forget, while your mythical White Gods were supposedly building pyramids in South America and Egypt, Causasians (as a race) were living in the caves of Europe gnawing on bones to get at the marrow and scrawling stick figures on the walls. Sorry, AKO, your fantasy doesnt hold water. There is too much evidence to the contrary, and it still stands today.

No matter what you write, and no matter what figures you concoct, you ARE intellectually and socio-economically INFERIOR to me, KOBE SBM, and you cannot do anything about it. Take your watermelon and shove it up your hairy ass. BWAHAHAHAHA

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 23, 2004.

BLAH BLAH BLAH.

I dont care about primitives like the niggers in Africa or your neighbors in Oklahoma who live like feral hominids. All I care about is wether or not Starbucks has enough Kona to make my venti Vanilla Latte, and when those non-English speaking dudes at the car wash will be done detailing my Mercedes.

I dont have time for you, loser.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 23, 2004.

By the way, I do know about the mummies. All the other races were building great civilizations long before whites ever emerged from their caves in Europe. When the Caucasians were emerging from the Stone Age, the first bricks were being laid for the Great Pyramid (almost 7000 BC). The Incas were building pyramids too. The Asians were advanced as well. You talk about those peoples worshiping white man gods, but what does that have to do with the pyramid building or monument building or science??? How would these white gods be in a position to "give them their knowledge" if they did not have it themselves? If they DID have the knowledge, why didnt they use it to build an ancient WHITE civilization? The whites are living their advanced civilization NOW, and they didnt do it on their own.

There was a worldwide cataclysm, and many of the ancient civilizations perished. The only human phenotype designed to survive caves and darkness are the whites.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 23, 2004.

"TO ALL OTHER VIEWERS, THIS SILLY NIGGER KEEPS TRYING TO SAY HE IS SMARTER THAN ME EVEN THOUGH I KEEP KICKING HIS ASS WITH THE FACTS"

How come nobody else agrees with you on that? Talk about self- praise! All the other readers here agree with me, and keep telling you how stupid you are, yet you keep saying your "BEETING MY ASZ". Doesnt seem that way, AKO.

NOTHING you write or find anywhere in Reality is going to make you smarter than I am. NOTHING. You will always be my intellectual inferior. You will ALWAYS be socio-economically inferior to me, and there is nothing you can do about it.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 23, 2004.

If the whites built the Pyramids in South America and in Egypt, how come there are NO PYRAMIDS in Europe???

-- PasserBy (reader@logic.com), November 23, 2004.

anyone who reads this will clearly see you posted the truth and did what i couldn't with grace effortless wisdom..

-- (...@..com), November 23, 2004.

Good point! Apparently, pyramids seemed to be the design of the day, yet there are NO pyramids in Europe. Just "mounds" and primitive (relatively speaking) sites like Stonehenge and Avebury. There is nothing like the heiroglyphic writings of Egypt or South America anywhere in Europe.

The mummies AKO keeps talking about were certainly not those of kings or monument builders. They may have been white, but so what? Just because they were there doesnt mean they were rulers. He doesnt know any better. He keeps forgetting that Im black and white, and I am equally as supporting of my white heritage as I am of my black heritage (and my Puerto Rican heritage). Im only supporting the TRUTH, not some biased bullshit. Racism is the center of his pathetic life.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 23, 2004.

Um, that's gonna be difficult since they no longer exist. But then you are left with trying to explain who these "White men Gods" were (they certainly werent Caucasians!), and why there is no evidence of their influence in the regions in Europe which are KNOWN to be the birthplace of the Caucasian race and culture.

What makes you think the "white man Gods" are related to white Caucasians? Think about that while you are milking your goat tomorrow. Also keep in mind that the Indians (from India) are BLACK CAUCASIAN ARYANS. Are you going to call them "shitskins" and say they are inferior too? Suck my light brown glistening cock, AKO.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 23, 2004.

Fuck your stupid IQ tests. They didnt even exist 100 years ago. That didnt stop the Egyptians and the Mayans and the Incas and the Aztecs from building their great civilizations. I dont need to know your IQ score to know that you are an imbecile.

I have been to Egypt, and I have seen the heiroglyphics first hand. I have walked through the Temple of Karnak, and I have seen the artifacts in the Museum of Cairo. They speak for themselves, and there are no white people depicted as Pharoahs. It might be easier if there were NO white people depicted at all, but that is not the case. There ARE white people depicted, as traders. Its the brown and black figures which are depicted as Pharoahs and Regional leaders.

You once claimed that you had been to Egypt, but I know that's bullshit. You couldnt prove that. If/when you travel to Egypt, and you get a chance to walk through Karnak, you will be surrounded with the truth and your whole racist pathetic little world will come crumbling down around you.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 23, 2004.

AND ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY THAT THE NIGGERS BACK THEN HAD HIGHER IQ'S THEN TODAY?

No, Im saying that IQ tests dont mean shit. Isaac Newton didnt take an IQ test. Neither did Michaelangelo or any of the great scientists in China or Egypt. That didnt stop them from doing what they did. Not only that, but having a high IQ is not a guarantee that one will do great things either. Most IQ tests consist of subtests measuring various qualities, such as factual knowledge, short-term memory, abstract reasoning, visual-spatial abilities, and common sense. Intelligence is always measured relative to a particular culture; "culture free" tests of intelligence do not exist. IQ tests do a good job of predicting academic success. They are not good at measuring such qualities as interpersonal skill or creativity.

IF SO ONCE AGAIN THAT BRINGS US BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION WHAT HAPPEND TO THE NIGGERS .DID THE VULCANS COME DOWN AND DO A VULCAN MIND ERASE ON THEM????????????????????????????

No, I told you before that the knowledge of the Egyptians was collected in a great library at Alexandria. The Greeks infiltrated the Egyptian culture and politics and arranged for many of the most important books to be transferred to Rome, and they burned the library to the ground FIVE TIMES to insure that whatever knowledge was left would be lost forever. The books still remain in Rome, but nobody can decipher them (HAHA). Perhaps the Annunaki came down and took them to Nibiru. BWAHAHAHAHA

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 23, 2004.

IN REALITY THE SUMERIANS ARE MORE INTERESTING ,MOST OF WHAT THE EGYPTIANS KNEW WAS PASSED DOWN TO THEM FROM THE SUMERIANS WHICH WERE ALSO WHITE. THEY WORSHIPED THE SAME GODS (DIFFERENT NAMES BUT THE SAME GODS),THEY ALSO HAD THE SAME BLOODLINE ,THE SUMERIAN KINGS LINEAGE WAS THE SAME LINEAGE THAT BECAME THE PHAROAHS OF EGYPT.

Um, sorry, but the Sumerians were black too.

http://www.africawithin.com/black_history/overview_chapter6.htm

"The Sumerian civilization can only be attributed to the arrival of black migrants from Africa's Nile Valley. According to writer Runoko Rashidi, Sumer flourished during the third millennium. In their own literature, the Sumerians referred to themselves as "blackheads." Sumer was only one of numerous Nilotic Cushite colonies implanted in the early Asia. This empire consisted of a major urban center surrounded by smaller satellite towns and villages, mostly independent states. The Sumerian city-states merge to form a powerful unified kingdom led by provincial leaders granted divine status"

In case you need reminding, the Cushite (Kushite) Empire was the name of the Ethiopian Empire. The ultimate Niggerland. Got any more "UNDISUETFGSHDTWE FADTRCS" for me to debunk, AKO?

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 23, 2004.

Yeah, I read the book and found it quite interesting. If you would only stop pushing all this racial bullshit in my face, maybe we could talk about something more interesting!!!!

Please tell the rest of the people here why you post in all caps. You think it doesnt matter, but it does. Tell them why you MUST type in all caps because you have no choice, will you?

I will say some nice things about you (gag).

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 23, 2004.

More evidence about the black Sumerians. Here are links, and here is an excerpt:

http://www.saxakali.com/Saxakali-Publications/runoko31.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/sd/occultic/hebrew.html

http://www.cwo.com/~lucumi/sumerians.html

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 23, 2004.

Organize your dumbass thoughts into one post, dipshit. It gets embarrassing for you to post five times in a row without an answer.

-- U msut Feers Me (Dubyalovesblow00@hotmail.com), November 24, 2004.

Hey Feers, I think he has reached the threshold of his organizational capabilities. I have found, over the years, that he is much like a lab rodent. He is very predictable, and enjoys running around in circles, as long as he doesnt see his tail. He can be stimulated in a variety of ways to perform a limited number of tricks I have taught him. I dont think you can do the "roll over and play dead" thing with rodents (can you?). Unfortunately, he isnt quite housebroken. He shits all over internet forums and leaves his stinky ALL CAPS shit all over the place. Quite distasteful, dont you agree?

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 24, 2004.

And you AKOFAGGOTASS just flunked it big time!!! You're no debator, just a pathetic little nobody with a fucking God complex and no true writing skills at all. Kobe SBM had you pegged Charlie, you're a moron and you can't stand the fact that there are people here that are far more intelligent and can make relevant points on just about any subject, something you CAN'T do at all.

-- (AKO'S @ Braindead Twit.com), November 24, 2004.

Lets not forget to define who the "Annunaki" are supposed to be:

Zecharia Sitchin:

"the Anunnaki-gods came down to the Earth 445,000 years ago from a planet known as Marduk or Nibiru – a planet which remains in our solar system on a vast elliptical orbit of 3,600 years. The Anunnaki then created Homo sapiens, partly in their own image, using a process of genetic engineering. The purpose of this ‘creation’ was to engage Homo sapiens as a slave, and thereby increase the efficiency of the Anunnaki’s gold mines on Earth. "

BWAHAHAHAHA.

He would rather believe that little green men in space suits (some people who believe in this Annunaki shit say that the Annunaki were REPTILIAN) came down and created Egypt, the Mayan civilizations, etc rather than to believe that people did. And he calls ME stupid?

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 24, 2004.

Look, AKO: I bought the book just as you suggested. After reading it, I thought it was interesting, but I just dont buy it. Besides Sithin, there is no real evidence for his theories. That's why his writings are THEORY and not FACT. I keep "The 12th Planet" on my bookshelf right alongside "Acient Astronauts" and "Chariots of the Gods", which I also thought was interesting. Thing is, there is simply no REAL evidence for his theory.

According to several links I found, the Annunaki were thought to be REPTILIAN. Here are a few links:

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Annunaki

http://groups.msn.com/UFOsTheHiddenTruth/sitchindanikenerrors.msnw

http://www.reptilianagenda.com/research/r112399a.html

http://members3.boardhost.com/ETtracker/msg/162.html

CMON! Those stories degrade into political marriages between Princes and Princesses and Kings and other bullshit. That alone exposes it for what it it: BULLSHIT. Monarchism is a primitive political system. The Annunaki myth was concocted by the same mindset as the Wizard of Oz. Oh, I suppose the lizards are white too, huh? BWAHAHAHAHA

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 24, 2004.

This from a retard who doesn't know jack about History and Genetics. AKOFUCKADUCK, get out of your fantasy world and GET A FUCKIN' LIFE!!!

-- (Sick of this @ delusional bullshitter.com), November 24, 2004.

Notice how I post LINKS to the informaton I cut and paste here? Notice how, despite how thoroughly I explain the history (from MAINSTREAM SOURCES), he ignores it and then says that I dont know what Im talking about? How about this:

"FACT# 2.THE WHITE RACE CAN BE TRACED BACK TO ABOUT 2O,000 YEARS AGO, THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN THE NIGGERS 30,000 YEARS TO CREATE A CIVILIZATION BEFORE THE WHITE RACE EXISTED, YET THEY HAD NOTHING"

The human race is from 100,000 to 300,000 years old, not 30,000 years. The first Caucasians appeared shortly after the Ice Age (about 20,000 yeas ago as he said). Before that, the civilisations he says the blacks didnt create were well established and flourishing:

Sumeria, Egypt, and the Cushite Empire

Where do you get your information, AKO? Perhaps you read it in a comic book? None of this really matters to me, because I dont see any racial superiority/inferiority issues in my life. I love my fellow man, black, white, Asian or other EQUALLY. No white man should be made to feel responsible for the fucked up shit some of their ancestors may have done. As soon as the stupid AKO-like racists and backwards thinking racists from other races are dead and gone, the bullshit they created will die with them.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 24, 2004.

Oh, and I forgot to point out that until the appearance of the original white people, everyone else got along very nicely. It wasnt until this strange white human started taking aggression out on other people and cultures that 1000 year old civilizations began to fall. The migration from Europe by whites did not establish the Egyptian Empire, it established the GREEK Empire, which is responsible for the downfall of Egypt (after her culture and written knowledge was stolen). The jealous Greek Empire then used much of what they learned from the Egyptians to further their aggression against other nations.

Its like the docile honey bee. The original bees get along with other bees and animals. Now, there is an aggressive Africanized bee which attacks other bees, other animals, and does so without provocation. That is what the white man did to human civilisation. Today, whites are getting along with their fellow man, and taking a look at the past in a more human way. There are only a few who still cling to the more primitive mindset (like AKO). Good thing is that he MUST die sooner or later.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 24, 2004.

More bullshit brain-turds from your distorted little mind? WHERE IS YOUR BACKUP? Here is mine:

"The human race is from 100,000 to 300,000 years old, not 30,000 years."

http://anthro.palomar.edu/homo2/modern_humans.htm

EXCERPT:

"Anatomically modern humans are classified as Homo sapiens sapiens. Every human today belongs to this variety of Homo sapiens. They first began to appear 120,000-100,000 years ago in association with technologies not unlike those of the early Neandertals. It is now clear that they did not come after the Neandertals but were their contemporaries."

SUCK MY ANCIENT ANCESTRAL DICK, AKO.

"The first Caucasians appeared shortly after the Ice Age (about 20,000 yeas ago as he said). Before that, the civilisations he says the blacks didnt create were well established and flourishing. Sumeria, Egypt, and the Cushite Empire."

http://www.africawithin.com/jgjackson/jgjackson_ethiopia_and_the_orig in.htm

http://www.historyguide.org/ancient/lecture3b.html

http://www.thinkquest.org/library/site_sum.html? tname=22845&url=22845/kush/index.shtml

"The accident of the predominance of white men in modern times should not give us supercilious ideas about color or persuade us to listen to superficial theories about the innate superiority of the white-skinned man. Four thousand years ago, when civilization was already one or two thousand years old, white men were just a bunch of semi-savages on the outskirts of the civilized world. If there had been anthropologists in Crete, Egypt, and Babylonia, they would have pronounced the white race obviously inferior, and might have discoursed learnedly on the superior germ-plasm or glands of colored folk." - Joseph McCabe

(harder slap upside your head)

Now before you say I dont provide proof (despite the many links here and in my other posts above this one), think about what the readers will think. You have already given all of us enough entertainment in this thread. Now, you might end up with our pity as well. What HAPPENED to you, man? Why are you so hung up on being WHITE? If you were blind, you wouldnt be able to tell who is who and what is what. You would be FORCED to see the truth.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 24, 2004.

Vincent Sarich and Frank Miel? CREDENTIALS, PLEASE.

Why are they not scholars, or doctors, or psychologists or any other type of respected scientist? Can you find any other works by them? BWAHAHA. I dont think you can. However, I can find HUNDREDS of sources which state the 100,000 to 300,000 year figure, and they are verified by hundreds of DIFFERENT scientists.

Here is a link which gives a 500,000 to 300,000 year figure: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1997/TroyHolder.shtml

Here is one from the BBC which says 120,000 years:http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/africa/features/storyofafrica /2chapter2.shtml

I HAVE HUNDREDS OF CREDIBLE SOURCES TO BACK ME UP. Do you? FUCK NO. Why the fuck would the "rough" estimate start at 100,000 to 300,000 years ago, and be revised to 50,000 years? Do you ever read what you write and realize what nonsense it is? The age of the Great Pyramid was recently revised to 11,000 years. That means that the EARLY civilizations predated them by at least 5,000 years. NONE of those early civilizations were white, because the whites were still living in the caves of Europe.

The first humans were black. The first family was black. The first human emotion was felt by a BLACK man. Whites came from the black man, as did all other humans. Hating blacks is like hating your family. Im sure the rest of your family isnt as intellectually impaired as you are. They see your obvious weaknesses and flaws, yet they still probably love you (hopefully). Most retarded people probably dont realize that they are retarded. Perhaps that is how you should be viewed. It makes your stupidity make more sense.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 25, 2004.

Details details.....

"It is clear from geological studies that the Nile has changed course and location in its history, and this fact may be extremely important in uncovering ancient civilization. Although geologists debate the exact dates, they do not dispute the evidence that the Nile once flowed about 8-10 miles west of its present course and may have been almost 100 meters higher than its present levels. We found much evidence to indicate the ancient civilization of Khemet drew its water from the west, from the ancient Nile. Particularly, the sites of Sakkara, Abusir, and Dahshur, located today west of the present Nile Valley and River, had remains and ruins of aqueducts and sluices that once flowed from west to east or from the ancient Protonile, as geologists refer to it. We observed this because the aqueducts flowed downhill from the west. If further research bears this out, and most scientists agree the present Nile is 10,000 to 20,000 years old, it is obvious that ancient Predynastic Khemet must have been older than 20,000 B.C."

http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue14/ar14search.html http://www.reach.net/~wbarton/usnisa/kephara http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/6040/flood10.htm

"Most scientists agree the present Nile is 10,000 to 20,000 years old, it is obvious that ancient Predynastic Khemet must have been older than 20,000 B.C."

YOU STILL HAVENT ANSWERED MY QUESTIONS.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobesbm.com), November 25, 2004.

Dont forget it says B.C., meaning that Pre-dynastic Khemet (Egypt) is actually OLDER than 20,000 years if you count the time A.D. The best you will ever be able to do here is to try to back up your personal racist theories. Dont even try to debate with me using TRUE undisputable facts. You will lose very time. I dont have to look very far to find 10 sources to support my information to your once source. The facts are the facts, and still more are yet to be discovered under the shifting sands of the Sahara, in the hidden tombs of South America, and in the yet-to-be-discovered ancient texts. There can only be ONE Truth, and yours aint it, moron.

I commend the moderator who deleted your new racist thread. Im not interested in discussing this subject anymore. You have lost miserably, and you have embarassed yourself yet AGAIN. You simply are on a different level, and Im tired of stooping to it. There are more interesting subjects to comment on.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 25, 2004.

Hey Kobe, you might make a good lawyer! That other guy needs some serious help.

-- Janet (janetgirl@peopleweb.com), November 25, 2004.

Im done trying to talk to you. You are just too stupid to be believed. I have made my case, and the readers agree with me and not you. I have chosen to ignore your posts for the most part. I will no longer engage you in the subject of race, because it serves no purpose. If you post an INTERESTING subject, I may comment. Seeya.

-- KOBE SBM (kobesbm@kobehq.com), November 25, 2004.

AKOFAGGOT, please GET A LIFE!!!! You're still making a damned fool out of yourself! Kobe SBM has outsmarted, outmaneuvered, and totally outclassed your rather pathetic pea-brained ass like the fucktard you really are. You are in no position to argue since you clearly lost EVERY argument you start. You're an idiot. Kill yourself.

-- (AKO'S @ fucktard.com), November 27, 2004.

First off there is nothing in your house that you use that wasn't invented by a Black person. Your Iron your Refrigerator, you fuking hair brush. As for all this shit about chucking spears, Science Started in Africa, Whites learned Medicine, Astrology, and many other sciences form the africans. Where did the well to do ancient Whites go to get their education, from Africans. Christopher Columbus the great white hope, lived and sailed in africa for 23 years. Thats where he heard of the New World, which was a known and populated by BLACKs, even after slavery started. Whites are greedy, point blank. Our "Great Civilization" is about to die because these greedy "Capitalist" want everything for themselves.

As a matter of fact the True Americans and West Indians died out because of the Deseased and dirty "White poeple" who came into contact with them, bring all kinds of shit. Think of all the plaugues in society, where did they come from, fuking rats and white folk.

Im not racist, but I can smell bullshit a mile away. All you white people that praise your history as great, seem to forget how many of your own people where used as slaves before all the other races. The first slaves brought into the americas came from Europe, Asia and india. Africans were the last resort, and turned out to be an easy buy, because african tribes and kingdoms where in competition with each other and sold slaves to the Europeans. Europeans never went into africa and took any slaves, they bought them from the africans in africa.

The great societies of the whites, have allways been curupt. And to this day, even America which is praised by many, is full of shit. Racism still exist here to a far degree, but Americans feel they have a right to tell someone else how to be free. Seek first to understand before you diagnose people. It will make your wiser.

-- ronin (l@hell.com), February 22, 2005.

WOW THIS FAG RONIN SHOWS UP AFTER KACYE THE BITCH DELEATS ALL MY POSTS , THERE WOULD BE NO REASON FOR ME TO RESPOND IF MY POSTS WERE STILL HERE.

-- AKOBADAGETH (AKOBADAGETH@INDISPUTABLE FACTS.COM), March 01, 2005.

BLACK INVENTIONS? HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH , HERES THE FACTS STUPID NIGGER!

Black Innovation?

Recently, it has become popular to spread yet even more misinformation, this time regarding black inventions. While history has proven that blacks have failed to contribute anything significant to the building of civilization, campaigns are spreading across America attempting to credit black "inventors" with certain inventions. One such campaign is promoted by IBM who offers a poster of "Famous Black Inventions." Included on this poster are pictures of blacks and their supposed inventions - including the traffic light.

While the black Garrett A. Morgan did submit and receive a patent for a traffic signal in 1923, he did not invent the traffic light. The first "traffic light" was created in London in 1868, used to control the traffic of pedestrians and buggies. It was illuminated by gas using green and red colors, and was manually operated by policemen who turned a lever to reveal the appropriate color to the appropriate lane of traffic. Railroads were already using a lighting system as well. It was a police officer, William Potts, who first improved on the gas-light invention, which required a police officer to operate. William Potts recognized the need for something better when he observed that police officers were spending much of their time directing traffic after the invention of the automobile. He created an electric lighting system using red, amber, and green to control automobile traffic in Detroit. It was first used in 1920 and was the herald of the modern traffic light. William Potts was not black. Garrett A. Morgan's traffic light of 1923 did not contribute significantly to the traffic light of today, but resembled train switching lights already in use.

When reading these lists of so-called inventions, which are especially prevalent on the Internet, it becomes painfully obvious the lies contained within those lists. These lists are especially popular on college campuses. Afrocentrism is the term used to describe the attempts to cover-up the truth of history by spreading lies which claim that the blacks of Africa actually created civilization. This ridiculous theory is being taught in many schools and even universities. Many college graduates think they are being intelligent when they state that without H. A. Jackson, we wouldn't have a kitchen table, which he "invented" on October 6, 1896. This is how ridiculous these lists have become. I am sure that the kitchen table was invented centuries ago, although I don't believe the blacks in Africa were furnishing their mud huts with kitchen tables. H.A. Jackson may have submitted an idea for a patent which was a special modification of the kitchen table, but he certainly did not invent it, and neither did his patent have any significance on the civilization of the world. This is also true for W. R. Davis, Jr., who is credited with inventing the library table - in 1878!

What many are doing is obtaining patent lists of blacks and then attempting to pass them off as inventions. Most of what these people are doing is taking a certain invention, modifying it in some way, and then patenting that modification. In other words, they are not patenting original creations. Many are just outright lying. One list credits Sarah Boone, a female black, with the invention of the ironing board in 1892. White people were ironing clothes on ironing boards long before 1892.

J. Standard, another black, is credited with inventing the refrigerator in 1891. Yet, the truth of history reveals this is another lie. William Cullen demonstrated the first known artificial refrigeration at the University of Glasgow in 1748. In 1805, Oliver Evans, an American, designed the first refrigeration machine, and in 1844, John Gorrie used this design to build a refrigerator which he used to cool the air for his patients suffering from yellow fever. This all happened well before J. Standard ever submitted his patent. Furthermore, the concept of refrigeration was known by whites long before the first artificial devices were ever created.

The lists go on and on. One credits the invention of the two-stroke gasoline engine in 1950 and the internal combustion engine in 1958 to a black, Frederick M. Jones. The truth is that thermal engines were created as long ago as the 1600's by whites. Almost one hundred years before Frederick M. Jones, N. Otto developed the first successful four-stroke spark ignition gasoline engine in the 1870's. The same year, Dougald Clerk built the first successful two-stroke engine, which remains in use today. The first person to actually experiment with the internal combustion engine was a Dutchman, Christian Huygens, who did so in 1680. Most of the modern gasoline engines are descendants of Gottlieb Daimler's creation of 1885. For those who don't know this, Daimler was a German. Frederick M. Jones is also credited with the invention of the starter generator in 1949; however, electric ignitions had already been introduced in 1924. On the same note, another black, Andrew J. Beard, is credited with inventing the rotary engine in 1892. This is completely unfounded. The first practical rotary engine was created by a German, Felix Wankel, in 1927.

On a lighter note, Lydia O. Newman, a black, is credited with inventing the hairbrush in the late 1800's, despite the fact that white women have been brushing their hair for centuries. Burridge and Marshman supposedly invented the typewriter in 1885, despite the fact that Remington and Sons had already been selling the typewriter since 1874, and the original machine was created in 1868 by Christopher Latham Sholes. The initial typewriter did not have lowercase letters, but the shift key of the Number 2 typewriter, manufactured by Remington in 1878, allowed for lowercase letters. Other claims include riding saddles, which were supposedly invented by W. D. Davis in 1895. Again, this is claimed despite the fact that riding saddles were in use long before 1895, primarily by whites.

Another famous claim is that a black, Paul Williams, invented the helicopter. Again, a little research will prove this to be false. The fact is that no one person "invented" the helicopter. However, Leonardo da Vinci did pen down his own version of a helicopter long before Paul E. Williams was born. Furthermore, the first successful lift-off of a helicopter was accomplished in 1907 by a Frenchman, Paul Cornu, and Etienne Oehmichen, another Frenchman, was able to fly a helicopter 1 kilometer in 1924. This flight lasted 7 minutes and 40 seconds. From that moment, white engineers advanced and perfected the helicopter, and in 1937 the first practical helicopter was introduced. Not surprisingly, this first practical helicopter was a German creation - the Focke-Wulf Fw 61. Igor Sigorsky, a Russian, is credited with many innovations and record setting flights after this time which greatly enhanced helicopter engineering.

Perhaps one of the most ridiculous claims is that a black, W. A. Lavallette, invented the printing press, which he had patented in America. This was undoubtedly news to Gutenberg, who had already invented the printing press in 1445, long before America was even a country and almost fifty years before Columbus even landed.

The list goes on and on, and each and every so-called "invention" can be refuted in a similar manner, from the biscuit cutter (A. P. Ashbourne, 1875) to the "portable shield for infantry" (H. Spears, 1870). Anyone familiar with history should be aware that whites have been using devices to cut out biscuits long before A. P. Ashbourne, and I am sure that Roman soldiers from the first century never went into battle without a "portable shield for infantry." Michael Harney, another black, is credited with inventing the lantern. Why not credit him with inventing light or fire? Again, these claims are so ridiculous as to boggle the mind, yet many Americans blindly accept what they are being told as truth - white or black. What is worse, children are being taught these lies in schools supported by our tax money. There are also federally funded "black history" museums throughout the country spreading such lies.

Even the claim that the mulatto George Washington Carver invented peanut butter is false. The truth is that early civilizations often crushed peanuts into paste and Civil War soldiers ate "peanut porridge." As far as modern peanut butter is concerned, a St. Louis physician encouraged a food company owner to produce and sell peanut butter in 1890 to individuals who had difficulty chewing food. The physician had experimented with grinding peanuts and recognized peanut paste to be highly nutritious. Bayle, the owner of the food company, sold peanut butter for 6 cents per pound. Additionally, the first patent for peanut butter was obtained by John Harvey Kellogg, another physician experimenting with sources of protein for his patients. George Washington Carver didn't even begin his "peanut research" until 1903. Most of the so-called black inventors are mulattos like George Washington Carver, and do not deserve to be called black anyway.

Lies such as these are harmful not only to whites, but to blacks as well. Black children are armed with such flimsy lies which are easily torn down, and white children are taught to appreciate so- called "black culture" as being better than "white culture." White children are no longer allowed to be proud of their heritage, which is full of white men and women who have built nations, constructed civilizations, and who have contributed to a full history of art and science.

While many of the claims stated above are almost comedic in their absurdity, it is no laughing matter when lies such as these are spread. Some promoters of so-called "black inventions" go so far as to claim that blacks created, among other things, civilization, chess, medicine, paper and the alphabet. Liars use the fact that early white civilizations created some of these things on the continent of Africa. Thus, they state that "Africans" invented all of these. While the geological identification may be correct in some instances, the race is certainly not. It is a well-known fact of history that Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, and so on were white people who created their respective civilizations. Cleopatra was not black, and neither was Marc Antony. Both were very clearly white people who bore no resemblance to the blacks or mongrels we see in America today. Alexander the Great was a white man, though he may have visited the continent of Africa. The builders of the pyramids were certainly not kin to the mud-hut builders of the desert. Socrates, Hippocrates, Plato, and so on were also certainly not blacks. Even Ethiopia was once a nation of white people, ruled by white kings and queens, until only recently when the blacks took over. These are all facts of history and easily verifiable, especially when one has the ability to read the historians of the time, who were, once again, also white. Unfortunately, most of these great nations toppled in the wake of the plague of mongrelization, a story which has been repeated in every great nation founded by white men throughout history.

All of these attempts to change history and discredit white culture are merely the beginning when it comes to the deviousness of the mongrel mind. Martin Bernal of Cornell University attempted to rewrite history over a decade ago with his books: Black Athena The Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization 1: The Fabrication of Ancient Greece 1785-1985 (London: Free Association Books. and New Brunswick: Rutgers University: 1987) and Black Athena 2: The Archaeological and Documentary Evidence (London, Free Association Books; New Brunswick: Rutgers University:1991).

Bernal's works attempted to credit black Africans with the creation of the Greek Civilization and therefore western civilization in general. The works were easily refuted by leading Classicists and experts, yet Bernal's "work" continues to garner unwarranted attention. Bernal's work consists of trying to prove an Egyptian- Phoenician influence on Greek Classical culture. Even if his interpretation of history were correct, which it is not, it is certainly not correct to state that the ancient Egyptian and Phoenician civilizations were created by Negroes. Bernal's books are simply extensions of an earlier work and an on-gong attempt to change the truth of history. In 1954, George G.M. James published a book entitled Stolen Legacy, which offers no proof for his claims of African influence on Greek philosophy. In one argument, he states:

"[The Greeks] did not possess the native ability essential to the development of philosophy ... the Greeks were not the authors of Greek philosophy, but the Black people of North Africa, the Egyptians."

Again, his claims that the Hellenists stole their philosophical ideas from the Africans are unfounded. Even more unfounded, however, is that the "Black people of North Africa" were the same creators of the Egyptian civilization. The builders of the pyramids and Egyptian rulers were most certainly white. Even Cleopatra was a Macedonian Greek, whose family went to extreme lengths to preserve their Greek racial line, even to the point of incest.

Two other works have been written refuting Bernal's claims. The first, Not Out of Africa by Mary R. Lefkowitz easily discredits Black Athena. More recently, Black Athena Revisited, Edited by Mary R. Lefkowitz and Guy MacLean Rogers, offers over 500 pages of proof written by numerous scholars against "Afrocentrist" claims of the black creation of civilization. One popular claim is that Aristotle and Alexander raided the library at Alexandria (which is in Egypt) and that was where they stole their ideas from the Egyptian civilization and that Aristotle was black. This, of course, is utterly ridiculous for several reasons. First of all, the library at Alexandria was not built until at least 25 years after Aristotle's death. Secondly, this library was assembled by a Greek student of Aristotle, Demetrius, and contained books written almost entirely in Greek. Thirdly, the city of Alexandria, though located in Egypt, was by no means an "Egyptian" city. It was the ruling center of the Ptolemies, the Macedonian Greek family of which Cleopatra was a member. It was even designed by a Greek architect. The name of the city was, of course, taken from the Greek ruler, Alexander the Great. Even the colony of white Judeans living in Alexandria, which numbered over 1,000,000, were a Greek-speaking people, as recorded in Philo. The Bible says, "No lie is of the truth ... "no liar has eternal life" and "the lake of fire was created for all liars and all who help make a lie."

-- AKOBADAGETH (AKOBADAGETH@INDISPUTABLE FACTS.COM), March 01, 2005.

More cut-and-paste lies from a white LOSER like you AKOFAGGOTBREATH. All you're inventing are lies and stupid revisionist history. Go read a REAL book instead of your Stormfront trash and your kiddie porn, sicko.

-- JEEZ LUEEZE (You're @ Dumbshit.org), March 01, 2005.

DAMN THIS FAGGOT GARRET FORD ^^^ABOVE^^^^ IS A TOTAL NO LIFE GEEK.

THIS IDIOT MUST SPEND ALL DAY SCROLLING THROUGH EVERY SINGLE THREAD ON THESE BOARDS LOOKING FOR THE DOMINANT MALES LIKE ME AND THE ORACLE.

TO BAD FAGGOT FORD YOU WILL HAVE TO STICK TO THE NIGGERS FOR YOUR DAILY DOSE OF SPERM INJECTED INTO YOUR ASS!

-- AKOBADAGETH (AKOBADAGETH@INDISPUTABLE FACTS.COM), March 01, 2005.

Who's Garret Ford you dumb fuck? Whoever he is, at least he doesn't post stupid bullshit like you do shit-for-brains.

-- (ain't tellin' @ you.com), March 02, 2005.