Last night, on Hannity & Colmes, the issue of Cupertino’s Stevens Creek School disallowing fifth grade teacher Steven Williams’ usage of US historical documents (containing references to God) was addressed and discussed. The argument between Mr. Williams and the Stevens Creek School pertains to these historical documents’ references to the Judeo-Christian God. For many years, the leftist ACLU and [other] secularists and atheists have been in the process of working toward the dissolution of Christianity from the United States of America. One can debate the actual date when this process began but, most agree that the Engle decision in 1962 (in which SCOTUS removed prayer from the public schools’ classrooms) was a benchmark decision. However, my argument pertains to those who state that the ACLU is working toward removing all religion and religious reference from the public forum. Even Sean Hannity has continued to propagate this incorrect assumption and contention. The ACLU is not working toward dismantling all religions; only Christianity.

In California, a “mandate” has been put in place in the public school system that Islam shall and must be taught to students. Some have argued that this mandate does not exist. But, it does. Melanie Morgan (a California talk-show host) advises that when her son was in 7 th grade he was not allowed to graduate to the 8 th grade until he could recite and explain the Seven Pillars of Islam. If that is not a mandated public school requirement, nothing is. Although the command is that the Islamic religion must be studied, references to the Christian religion are not allowed. The ACLU has not objected to this.

In Palm Beach, Florida, a Menorah was allowed to be displayed during Chanukah but, Christian Christmas symbols were not. The ACLU did not oppose this action. However, the atheist and rabidly anti-Christian ACLU has consistently and intensely fought to remove any and all mention of or allusion to Christianity. The reason for this is evident. The majority of people in the United States still profess to be Christian. Unless the ACLU and its minions are able to destroy the Christian faith (placing it in an “underground-worship” position), they will not be able to create the Socio-Communist country that they both want and crave. And, if they are successful in doing so via additional leftist judicial fiats, all references to the Christian religion will be removed and summarily discarded. From its past and present actions, it’s clear that this is the ACLU’s ultimate goal.

Unless we-the-people continue to fight the ACLU on each and every one of its battle fronts, the anti-Christian contingent will win. This is no time to be complacent.

Sher Zieve http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/archive/yz/z-misc/zieve/2004/zieve121004.htm

-- R. Pereira (generra@hotmail.com), December 12, 2004

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-- Cameron (shaolin__phoenix@hotmail.com), December 12, 2004.

clarification-- was the california "mandate" served by the government of that state, or does this involve ONE LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT? i think this is an important distinction.

let me just say that the separation of "Church and state" is not the same as separation of "God and state". there IS no one "christian" church in a sense-- christianity in general is more a faith and values system. (i know, i know, the Catholic church is Christ's church, but face it, non-catholic christians would differ on this matter.)

our founding fathers wanted freedom from the King and freedom from persecution by the Anglican church. but their hope for the new republic was based on their faith.

i think the ten commandments and other symbols unique to our faith, manger scenes, etc, SHOULD be allowed to be displayed on public grounds, provided that it is sponsored with non-tax dollars.

-- jas (jas_r_22@hotmail.com), December 13, 2004.

Changing God Bless America to God xless America? well yes.

But I feel that unless every right is defended, we may not have rights. There has been too much erosion in this area.

So, do you want to see one established church rule in America? What if it is not Catholic? Basically, do you understand where those rights came from and why they were needed? And why they are still needed?

I wish that instead of banning faith oriented approaches, we allowed almost every faith based approach, in tasteful symbols. The Atheists can have a 'Just say No" campaign. complete with a international NO symbol. The wicans can have a star, just not a skyclad ceremony with a goat sacrifice. And we would have to tolerate the Satanist symbols, but it would be more inclusive, and on one level, festive fun, not restrictive discord.

I strongly dislike: I feel that right is not needed, lets do away with it.

-- Sean Cleary (seanearlyaug@hotmail.com), December 13, 2004.

If Christians are to be free in this country they must have the right to speak about what they believe - just as free as the homos who can go to public schools and talk about their morality or atheists can stand up and preach about their beliefs under the guise of evolution or Planned Parenthood types can get up and talk about their moral values under the guise of sex-ed.

If Christians can't talk about Christ, then why are Jews and Muslims allowed to talk about their religions under the guise of culture or holidays?

What the hell is Kwanza? None of my african friends celebrated it...it's a made up feast day suddenly promoted to the four winds.

Public schools ought to be open to the public. If not, then call them FEDERAL schools. If the Public is 90% Christian than they ought to have free access - to put up public displays of their religion or philosophy or sports team or whatever.

If the 2% of Jews want to put up a Menorah on their feast day, fine. They ought to have that right as they too make up the "public". Ditto for Muslims. It's not like we have overlapping feast days.

If atheists or Hindus want to erect idols to their gods (Marx or Vishnu) fine! They are citizens, ergo, part of the public, so ought to have that right.

-- Joe (joestong@yahoo.com), December 22, 2004.

What the hell is Kwanza?

Good Question. Is it THIS

or THIS

-- Brian Crane (brian.crane@cranemills.com), December 22, 2004.

Yeah! Yea! Joe!

And we must also support the athests with a Just Say No sticker too. No sarchasm, just part of letting everyone express their views.

Sean

-- Sean Cleary (seanearlyaug@hotmail.com), December 23, 2004.

No major religion's feast days overlap. Hanakka was on Dec. 8th, Christmas on the 25th, Kwanzaa on the 26th...

Now, if 80% of Americans are Christians, I think Chirstmas ought to take precent - after all if only 2% of celebrate Hannakka, and less and .000002% celebrate Kwanzaa, the only HOLIDAY celebrated every year in late December is CHRISTMAS.

So having Merry Christmas posted everywhere including schools and town halls doesn't seem to me to be errecting a church but acknowleging the religion and religious/cultural sensitivites of 80% of the USA.

If the absolute minorities of Muslims, Hindus and everyone else want to have their sensibilities respected, fine. Let them. They have feast days and celebrations - and can have their parades too. But not on our holy days.

-- Joe (joestong@yahoo.com), December 27, 2004.

i must say, this is one of the reasons that i homeschool. as parents, it is up to us to raise our children. handing them over to a godless system to raise them and form their opinions seems evil. by the way, my husband and i choose to be "poor" rather than let the system chew up our children and spit them out as brainwashed little atheists. that's what happened to me.

anyway, i thought we had freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion.

-- marina (emailmarina@yahoo.com), January 07, 2005.