I read in the archives that there are supposedly 15 secret tortures of Jesus. Has anyone else heard of this? Is it true?

-- Cameron (shaolin__phoenix@hotmail.com), December 18, 2004

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-- Cameron (shaolin__phoenix@hotmail.com), December 18, 2004.

Cameron, where's the thread on which you read this?

-- Emily ("jesusfollower7@yahoo.com"), December 18, 2004.

I don't know how to make a link, but this is the URL:http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl? msg_id=001Qkq

And then there is a link within the thread that goes to here:

http://www.thesacredheart.com/secret.htm

The secret tortures are as follows:

1. They fastened My feet with a rope and dragged Me over the stepping stones of the staircase, down into a filthy, nauseating cellar.

2. They took off My clothing and stung My body with iron joints.

3. They attached a rope around My body and pulled Me on the ground from end to end.

4. They hanged Me on a wooden piece with a slip knot until I slipped out and fell down. Overwhelmed by this torture, I wept bloody tears.

5. They tied Me to a post and pierced My body with various arms.

6. They struck Me with stones and burnt Me with blazing embers and torches.

7. They pierced Me with awls; sharp spears tore My skin, flesh and arteries out of My body.

8. They tied Me to a post and made Me stand barefoot on an incandescent metal sheet.

9. They crowned Me with an iron crown and wrapped My eyes with the dirtiest possible rags.

10. They made Me sit on a chair covered with sharp pointed nails, causing deep wounds in My body.

11. They poured on My wounds liquid lead and resin and, after this torture, they pressed Me on the nailed chair so that the nails went deeper and deeper into My flesh.

12. For shame and affliction, they drove needles into the holes of My uprooted beard. They tied my hands behind My back and led Me walking out of prison with strikes and blows.

13. They threw Me upon a cross and attached Me so tightly that I could hardly breathe anymore.

14. They threw at My head as I lay on the earth, and they stepped on Me, hurting My breast. Then, taking a thorn from My crown, they drove it into My tongue.

15. They poured into My mouth the most immodest excretions, as they uttered the most infamous expressions about Me.

-- Cameron (shaolin__phoenix@hotmail.com), December 18, 2004.

Dear Cameron:
I do not believe Jesus reveals this at all. The words seem uninspired, banal. If I'm wrong, may God forgive me; but I say it only to give you good counsel.

Jesus gains nothing by offering you morbid examples of human disgrace and horror. Every believer knows the salient details of His Passion and Death, as the gospel truth. These ''secrets'' don't correspond to a gospel, they freeze our blood. It isn't like Jesus Christ to whine about loathsome excess on the part of His tormentors.

Though we can be sure He suffered to excess, there's no excuse whatever for ''secret tortures'' to be revealed to those who love Him. They are committed already to the facts. He is the immolated Lamb of God and His blood is shed for sinners. Whatever else truly happened to him during His cruel way of the cross, it hasn't been a secret. No one can add even more from a secret revelation.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), December 18, 2004.

The Secret Tortures were apporved by Pope Clememnt II.

Altough private revelations are never binding on the fiathful and are never dogmas of artciles of good faith - especially ones like these that have seen approval in the sense that one may believe them.

-- Andrew (andyhbk96@hotmail.com), January 07, 2005.