No, Im not makign his up...the Moonies claim the cross is divisive, and thus ought not be allowed ot continue, an is a symbol of shame and suffeirng, and hat God himself sheds tears over mankinds tirnign tothe Cross. Instead,w e shoidl look for the new Messuah. ( which f corusse is the reverend Moon...)

se the article below for detials. Link included.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), December 23, 2004

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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp? ARTICLE_ID=42039

Both President Bush and his father have expressed their support for a group of mostly black church leaders that endorses the practice of throwing the cross into the trash – literally.

According to an online column by John Gorenfeld, the American Clergy Leadership Conference sponsored a nationwide "Tear Down The Cross" day for Easter 2003 during which pastors led ceremonies where traditional sanctuary crosses were tossed into dumpsters. Over 100 crosses reportedly were trashed.

Writes Gorenfeld, "This [cross removal], movement leaders said, cleared the way for a new age and second messiah."

Last week, the movement's leaders presided over a Washington prayer breakfast featuring messages of thanks from both Bush presidents.

Though ACLC's website says part of its purpose is to "promote through fellowship the unity of the body of Christ," it also aims to "foster cooperation and understanding among all religions." That cooperation is evidenced by the involvement of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, the founder of the Unification Church who was dubbed the king of peace at a coronation ceremony in the Dirksen Senate Office Building earlier this year.

The organization also works closely with both Muslim and Jewish clergy.

Two sponsors of last week's breakfast, the International and Interreligious Federation of World Peace and the American Family Coalition, are both affiliated with Moon.

"One series of photos found on Moon's website, but purged after receiving unfavorable attention earlier this year from evangelicals, shows Massachusetts preacher John Kingara taking down the cross from his church, hauling it behind the old brick building and hoisting it into a dumpster," writes Gorenfeld. "Another shows a ritual in Israel disposing of the cross in the earth.

Pastor John Kingara of Worcester, Mass., throws his church's cross in the dumpster.

"Kingara, embracing the ACLC's new gospel, declared in remarks found in the Unification News, 'The fact that the cross is a symbol of division, shame, suffering and bloodshed prove that it is not of God but Satan.' He continued, 'On this 18th day of April 2003, we are beginning a new history. Pastors, please, help me to bring the cross down, because it is not of God but the devil.'"

Moon was the keynote speaker at the Washington breakfast last week.

Writes Gorenfeld: "In Moon's teachings, God himself is shedding tears over mankind's obsession with the cross, which prevents us from recognizing the real 'returning lord': Moon himself. It's no secret. This is something he's patiently explained to many audiences of congressmen and former Republican presidents over the years, in Washington pageants that hardly ever make the news."

The columnist says Bush sent a "warm letter" of support presented at the breakfast by a state senator, in which the president and first lady sent best wishes to the sponsors -- and thanked them for rallying his "armies of compassion."

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), December 23, 2004.

Zarove, this is a chilling article. Never before have we seen such a wholesale revolt against Christianity in this country. I guess you have heard, main stream department stores and schools, banning "Christ"mas carols, banning the Salvation Army! I posted an article about two Christians being charged with crimes that could get them 47 years in jail. And what was their crime? Preaching the gospel at a "gay" event.

I note that hardly anyone clicked into my article or commented. I fear we are more interested in debate that facing the truth of what's happening around us. What a trick of the ENEMY!

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), December 23, 2004.

I notived the article and have been followgn it since before you posted it. I merley had little to say of suhc an event that becomds all too common. I expectd little on this one as well, but it is torubling.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), December 23, 2004.

I've read, but haven't commented.

BTW, all of my Christmas concerts have "Silent Night" and a few other sacred choruses in them, whether they like it or not. The focal point of the concert has always been Christ as the meaning of Christmas. So far, I haven't received any flak from unfriendlies.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), December 23, 2004.

I fear we are more interested in debate that facing the truth of what's happening around us. What a trick of the ENEMY! - Gail

You're right Gail. Guilty as charged. Thanks for pointing out what's really important. I know I'm guilty at times of missing the war we're fighting against the world. Sometimes I get too caught up in our little "Ask Jesus" world here.

-- Andy S ("ask3332004@yahoo.com"), December 23, 2004.

If you go to World Net Daily's TODAY headlines, there is even more startling news!

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), December 23, 2004.

I don;t know much about World Net Daily. Are they pretty reliable? I'll check it out either way. Thanks.

-- Andy S ("ask3332004@yahoo.com"), December 23, 2004.

I read the article too, Gail.

I just didn't comment for the same reason as everyone else. We know it's true and there is nothing to debate.

But I suppose we could give a *kudos* for good posts that don't cause argument.

Sorry for not commenting. This kind of thing is only going to get worse, as predicted in the Scriptures. That doesn't mean we shouldn't fight it though.

-- (faith01@myway.com), December 24, 2004.