what is the rapture?

greenspun.com : LUSENET : Ask Jesus : One Thread

what is the rapture?

-- greg (greg_pisahov@hotmail.com), January 06, 2005

Answers

bump

-- (bump@bump.bump), January 06, 2005.

rapture is sort of like judgement day. it is actually but in i think catholic or some other protestant bibles they actually describe it more than christianity. its when people who is faithful to jesus lifts up from the world to the heavens with jesus while many are left behind to suffer whatever God has in store for them. Try to watch a movie called Left Behind 1 and Left Behind 2. The first one is when it all begins. And many people who is left behind starts to kno what is happening. A main character starts believing in god in the first one. the second is to try to stop a man who is anti-christ from telling the world that he is messiah with the same characters.

-- JoeKP (joekinplaya@orangeday.net), January 06, 2005.

I was raised Catholic and never heard about "The Rapture." I'm sure it came from somewhere else.

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), January 06, 2005.

The rapture is a Protestant recent devlopment in thelogy, inwhich the True Bible beliving orn aain Christjsn are taken off the earth prior to "The Tribulation", a period of natural disasters such as earthquakes, locusts, diseases, and othe unpelsnetries run rampent, and the evil anti-Christ is elevatd to power to controle the world and oppress all. The beleivers that whr elet behind for not accpeting on time band who ressit the antichrist and do ntkt ake the mark fo the beast are Tribulatin saints.

The Cahtolci hruch does nto teach Rapture theory.

Neither do many protestat chirhces.

Neither do Mormons.

Nor chruhc f christ.

by the wya all, Greg is a troll...

I reject the Rapture thdeory.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 06, 2005.


"I reject the Rapture thdeory."

Amen... This false doctrine is not taught in the word of God...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), January 06, 2005.



Zarove,

I've heard the term "troll" used before, but I'm not savvy enough to know the definition. Please forgive my ignorance. What exactly is a "troll"?

I'm guessing it's not something from the Lord of the Rings.

-- Andy S ("ask3332004@yahoo.com"), January 07, 2005.


Andy, on these forums the term 'troll' is used to describe a person who jumps from thread to thread, forum to forum, causing trouble.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), January 07, 2005.

Thanks David.

-- Andy S ("ask3332004@yahoo.com"), January 07, 2005.

It is like the troll that lives under a bridge who means to trip up any passing travelers. Trolls don't want anything more than to stir up problems for people. We could spend all day with a troll and accomplish folly.

...............

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 07, 2005.


Enoch was raptured in Gen5 Elijah was raptured in 2Kings6 Isaiah was raptured in Isaiah 6 Philip was raptured in Acts 8 Paul was raptured in 2Cor12 The Two Witnesses are raptured in Rev11

You see Zarove, the concept is already in Scripture. If you have a problem with the word "rapture" not being in the bible, refer to it as the "caught up".

The 'caught up' is not a "Protestant recent devlopment in thelogy". It's happen in the Bible before, and it will happen again with the 'caught up' of the church.

"The Cahtolci hruch does nto teach Rapture theory."

This organization is largely apostate.

"Neither do many protestat chirhces."

Many believe in a rapture, but disagree to the timing of it.

"Neither do Mormons."

Cult.

"Nor chruhc f christ."

Don't get me started on them..

"I reject the Rapture thdeory."

Why?

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), January 07, 2005.



David, the "apostate" Church you refer to; i.e., The Catholic Church most assuredly does believe in, trust in, and rely upon the 2nd coming of Christ, just not the new-fangled heterodox view foisted on Christendom by a handful of people that there is a "secret gathering" BEFORE the 2nd coming.

Super-Calvinist R.C. Sproul does not even believe in this "secret gathering, nor does Hank Hanengraf, men that you seem to have admired in the past. So stop acting like this is some sort of litmus test for orthodoxy.

Christ will come again, on the Day of the Lord which is the SECOND COMING, and that is when we will gather together to meet with Him in the air PERIOD.

NO MAN KNOWS THE DAY OR THE HOUR, not even the angels in heaven!

-- Gail (Rothfarms@socket.net), January 07, 2005.


why am i a troll?

what have i done wrong?

-- greg (greg_pisahov@hotmail.com), January 07, 2005.


For the record:

I believe the same thing as Gail has presented it to mean. I do believe in the Rapture when Christ returns, but not the man- made "Rapture" doctrines.

I don't think I ever called greg a "troll".

..............

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 07, 2005.


Greg, you are a troll ebcause you post nonsensical threads to get a reaction, and are ere to stir conraversy. ( Tpobad, we are alreayd versed in such among ourselves.)

david, I reject the raptre theory as it is not in the Bible.

The traslaon of enoch, elija, et all, are NOT the same as the rapture of the Church. They wher eunique and special cases.

paul the apsolte had what we call a Near death experince. his bpody stayed on he rubbish heap, his osul alone went on, harldy a rapture...

As you can see from my argumes from Faith, no direct scriptrual reference to the rapture exists.

WAnt to chang emy mind? Then fine, try to prove it.

By the way, nto al protestnats agree o the rapture and disagre only wihhte timing, many reject it outright.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 07, 2005.


Enoch was raptured in Gen5 Elijah was raptured in 2Kings6 Isaiah was raptured in Isaiah 6 Philip was raptured in Acts 8 Paul was raptured in 2Cor12 The Two Witnesses are raptured in Rev11 You see Zarove, the concept is already in Scripture. If you have a problem with the word "rapture" not being in the bible, refer to it as the "caught up". - David

Now you can see why the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary into Heaven is not so far fetched. If you'd like, think of her being "raptured".

-- Andy S ("ask3332004@yahoo.com"), January 07, 2005.



Exactly! Andy.

David, we've had such a discussion before.

.........

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 07, 2005.


"So stop acting like this is some sort of litmus test for orthodoxy." Gail

Perhaps I was misunderstood...what I was trying to get out was that I don't care if an apostate organization believes in the rapture or not.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), January 07, 2005.


"The traslaon of enoch, elija, et all, are NOT the same as the rapture of the Church. They wher eunique and special cases." - Zarove

I'll get back to this later tonight. Were they not caught up in the sky? You said the 'catching away' was not found in scripture, but here we have it happen a few times.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), January 07, 2005.


The point beign that their beign taken up odily to Heaven is not the same as a Pre-tribulation rapture theory and canot be used to prove the Pre-tribulation rapture theory.

Indeed, it cant een be used to prove the second coming of christ, as those episodes are unrelated.

Midn you, I did not sy the Rapue was Imposible, I merley said that the Bible makes no allusion to the rapture, and therefore I dsiscount the theory.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 07, 2005.


"The point beign that their beign taken up odily to Heaven is not the same as a Pre-tribulation rapture theory and canot be used to prove the Pre-tribulation rapture theory. " - Zarove

You said there was no rapture in Scripture. I gave you examples of the concept from Scripture. Now, instead of saying "the rapture is unscriptural", the best you can say is "I don't believe the church will be raptured". People being "caught up" by God is scriptural.

-- David Ortiz (cyberpunk1986@hotmail.com), January 07, 2005.


when I say the rpautre is unsriptural, I do not inend to engage in semantic argumens over enoch.

when the word is used in context liek this, it clear we are talkign about the raptre of gthe CHurh, as this is the only thign direclty called "Rap;ture" in rapture theory.

Really oen expects better.

By the wya Im on yahoo tonight.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 07, 2005.


TO CLAIRFY...

David, the fact that eoch and elijah wher taken to heaven bodily does not prove Pre-Triblaiton rpature teory is correct. Notice, i am not saying God cnanot do this, onlythat he will not do this. It is not in the scriptures.

Also important, many protestants, such as many prespetyrians, and Churhc of God, and a few others, reject this theory.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 08, 2005.


Zarove,

You claim that the Bible doesn't even allude to the catching-up of Christians to meet Jesus in the air?

You said:

Midn you, I did not sy the Rapue was Imposible, I merley said that the Bible makes no allusion to the rapture, and therefore I dsiscount the theory.

Can you possibly be serious?? The Bible makes no allusion at all?

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 08, 2005.


Zarove, You claim that the Bible doesn't even allude to the catching-up of Christians to meet Jesus in the air?

I said it makes no allusio tot he Rapture, which is undertsood as the removal of the chruhc BEFORE the "Great triulation' which is a seven eyar reigh of zantichrist, nor dos it make such claism abtu a Mid-tribulaion rapture, neither a Psot tribulaion rpature. we are "Called up" at the end, when the world is destroyed.

You said:

Midn you, I did not sy the Rapue was Imposible, I merley said that the Bible makes no allusion to the rapture, and therefore I dsiscount the theory.

Can you possibly be serious?? The Bible makes no allusion at all?

Yes, I am serious, and as you hve illustrated, only when we cannibalise, distort, and patch togather variosu verses, many unrelated , can we find the raputre, as you beleive i i a "Mystery doctirne" scattered thoghouhtte Bibel and oncealed form sight, dispie the word of God beign called "Plain".

The Rapoture, as outliend by yu and mst rapturists, si not mentioend. The removal of the aithful happens after the world ends and its itme to be desotryed.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 08, 2005.


Moderation questions? read the FAQ