WHAT IS ZWINGLIANISME?

-- PUNKER (PUNKER@PUNKER.PUNKER), January 08, 2005

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Zwingali was a reformer as were Luther and Calvin. His theology was very simple in comparison, so he has gotten much less attention than the other two. Here is a quote from a site I found. He is part of the basis for the Sola Scriptura argument. More information is located at the link below.

Zwingli's theology and morality were based on a single principle: if the Old or New Testament did not say something explicitly and literally, then no Christian should believe or practice it……In 1522, for instance, Zwingli mounted a protest against the fast at Lent, a standard Catholic practice. His argument: the New Testament says absolutely nothing about fasting at Lent so the practice is inherently unchristian.

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/REFORM/ZWINGLI.HTM

-- Tracy Padalino (tjpgene@wideopenwest.com), January 08, 2005.

Here's a few interesting quotes from Ulrich Zwingli:

It was given to her [Mary] what belongs to no creature, that in the flesh she should bring forth the Son of God. (Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905, v. 6, I, p. 639.)

I firmly believe that Mary, according to the words of the gospel as a pure Virgin brought forth for us the Son of God and in childbirth and after childbirth forever remained a pure, intact Virgin. (Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905, v. 1, p. 424.)

I esteem immensely the Mother of God, the ever chaste, immaculate Virgin Mary ... (Stakemeier, E. in De Mariologia et Oecumenismo, Balic, K., ed., Rome, 1962, p. 456.)

The more the honor and love for Christ grows among men, the more esteem and honor for Mary grows, for she brought forth for us so great, but so compassionate a Lord and Redeemer. (Zwingli Opera, Corpus Reformatorum, Berlin, 1905, v. 1, pp. 427-428.)

I also found this interesting regarding his relationship with Martin Luther.

"In October, 1529, Philip invited both Luther and Zwingli to his castle in Marburg to hash out their differences. The two men, however, had very little in common, and their discussions ended in failure. Luther, for his part, thought Zwingli to be mad, a religious fanatic who had lost touch with common sense and spirituality. Zwingli, for his part, thought Luther to be hopelessly enmeshed in unsupportable Catholic doctrine. Their meeting in Marburg itself represents the last point in the Reformation at which the movement could have preserved some unity. After Marburg, unification of the various Protestant movements became impossible, and the new church, which Luther believed would become another, more pure universal church, fragmented into a thousand separate, quarrelling pieces within a few decades."

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/REFORM/ZWINGLI.HTM

-- Andy S ("ask3332004@yahoo.com"), January 08, 2005.

Interestingly, Zwingli, Luther and Calvin were all agreed that Mary was immaculate and ever-virgin.

But when it came to the Mass and Holy Communion, there was a great difference between them. Luther continued to believe that Christ was present in the Host with His risen Body and Blood; Zwingli denied this because he thought Christ could be in only one place at a time, and thought the bread was just a symbol; Calvin believed our minds were lifted up to Christ so He was spiritually present in some way.

Also Luther kept statues of saints and angels, and stained glass windows, in churches--whereas Calvinists and Zwinglians smashed them because they thought them idolatrous.

-- Michael (edwardsronning@prodigy.net), January 08, 2005.

'Zwingali was a reformer as were Luther and Calvin. His theology was very simple in comparison, so he has gotten much less attention than the other two. Here is a quote from a site I found. He is part of the basis for the Sola Scriptura argument. More information is located at the link below.

Zwingli's theology and morality were based on a single principle: if the Old or New Testament did not say something explicitly and literally, then no Christian should believe or practice it……In 1522, for instance, Zwingli mounted a protest against the fast at Lent, a standard Catholic practice. His argument: the New Testament says absolutely nothing about fasting at Lent so the practice is inherently unchristia'

so zwinglianism has actually the most correct interprations as i can see...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 09, 2005.

The Bible does not LITERALY or FLAT OUT say "you shall not use cocain" or "abortion" or "controception." Yet do you think God will allow them? I have heard a "solo scriptua believer quote from the Old Testament trying to JUSTIFY abortion though. You do need Church government wether you like it or not. Just look at what the refromation has done. Thousands and thousands of Protestant believers ALL claiming to be guided by the Holy Spirit and ALL coming to different conclusions!

Christ also promised His Apostles shortly before His death that He had "many things" to still teach them and that the Holy Spirit would come to lead them into ALL truth, not confusion! None of these "many things" are recorded in scripture. Makes you wonder why the Church has always remained one. It's more believable to the world as well than to see ten thousand christians arguing what is what!

-- Jason (Enchantedfire5@yahoo.com), January 10, 2005.

yes i certainly think god will allow contraception

if he loves us then he certainly doesn't want us to get aids or other std's or to have children when we don't want children,when we can't financially support them or don't feel ready for it

there was so much invested in campaigns for promoting condoms and to avoid std's

and then your RCC comes without any responsibility and says that it's evil without ANY reference to the bible

...such a shame

abortion is wrong because it's murder and murder is wrong according to the bible

but in cases when we speak about zygotes and embryos that don't have a life,which we can't call a human being yet,who have no similar charachteristics developed with full grown human beings,who can't feel pain nor suffer,it isn't wrong

an animal can feel more pain and suffer and has more 'things' developed than these little groups of cells...

the RCC should maybe think about the consequences of their teachings

god is against cocain and we don't need the RCC to know this,we can just read the bible and find the answer there

jesus taught that we should take care of our body and our mind

cocain really really **** up our brains and it can completely ruin your life...i think this one is pretty easy

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 10, 2005.

jason,how are you so sure about who leads the RCC?

the RCC is a manmade institution

who was leading your infaillable church and your infaillable popes during the time of:

the tortures and killing of innocent ppl who were without any real good criteria considerded as heretics

the crusades

the inquisitions

reading the bible in latin!(and the task of your church is to teach th e bible to the ppl?)

the indulgences

and killing people who opposed to this,the protestants

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 10, 2005.

you are not aware of the dangers of the RCC...

i would post here every single little thing that i despise about them,but it's gonna be deleted anyway

you are really not aware...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 10, 2005.

You know, we can always avoid getitgnAIDS by not havign sex. and if we dotn hve sex, we wont have unwanted pregnancies either... just a thought...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 10, 2005.

We can se sdqa is a negative little soul; he despises whatever he finds challenging. (No, I just won't believe!)

How do some souls get that way? Very starnge, in this boys' case. He told us he's Chinese, and he doesn't seem to be. Not culturally. Chinese more than almost all others treasure their ancient norms; rules of order and personal obligations.

Above all, respect for elders and for wisdom. Age and wisdom go together, in their society. Once an elder has corrected you, the rules are set. He's not supposed to beg you; you beg his pardon. And that is Asian wisdom.

But sdqa taunts his elders, with the excuse that he's independent; he doesn't want to understand you, even if you're wiser. he'll deny you are wise; and probably because you aren't an Asian. You're a barbarian westerner. And the religion of the west is something for dogs, for silly people. Where's sdqa's culture? Why is he fascinated by punkism, and turned off by Catholicism? Can't he see that God is really our father; and sons must revere and obey fathers? Wasn't he brought up Chinese? No Chinese fails his own father.

I wonder if sdqa really is Chinese. Will he become a man soon; serious and responsible for his spiritual well-being? We have to pray for him. He needs our love.

-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), January 10, 2005.

off course i'm chinese

i just wasen't brought up in china,so i'm not very much into the chinese culture and i think you have a lot of prejudice and think that all chinise people are stereotype

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 10, 2005.

sdqa could you please pay more attention to grammar, people might better understand you better.

Sorry if english is a second language to you...but other than the grammar the way you organize, simplify/exagerate things makes it not only difficult to understand you, but also to respond...

-- Jacob R. (websmaster@stpeterslemoore.com), January 10, 2005.

lol

i didn't know i make so much mistakes

at least i don't speak as punker:p

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 10, 2005.

sqda, I used to be ANTI-Catholic making the same claims as you did, until I honestly began investigating the RCC for myself. You say believe so much ofthe typical sayings such "The RCC withheld the Bible from the ppl." That is complete nonesense and such a lie it is sad. You are just being led on by the media or Protestant media. Seriously, go to this site and you'll find answers to your claims. Dave Armstrong was one a "Bible Thumber" "Bible Alone," Protestant as well. http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZINDEX.HTM

-- Jason (Enchantedfire5@yahoo.com), January 11, 2005.

Contra(anti) ception(life). So, you are for antilife sdqa? Do you realize that EVERY Christian denomination was against contraception up until 1930? Now I think only the RCC is against it. The church does not change with the times, because, God doesn't. If people did not have sex with so many partners you would have so much worries about HIV. Sex, sex, sex is all over the place nowadays. Protect yourselves with controceptives. Well why not wait until marriage, or is that just "old fashion?"

Just because the has been some bad examples in the Church you do not condem it. Many Popes, Saints and laymen have been against torture. I am against it. And the crusades are alot more than just "killing in the name of Christ." Islam had alot to do with that.

Cocane is wrong, but God never specificly says "Cocane." I know it messes up your body, just like pot or weed will. But I have ran into many "christians" who are "Bible Alone" and try to justify themselves by saying "God does not say weed is wrong, too much soda or even water is bad for you, you have to limit yourselves. Smoking pot is ok if it's every now and then and it's relaxing too." I have heard this nonsense talk before, just like that. Then once it's one thing, another thing starts. A never ending cycle and that's why you need Church government. Sdqa, you speak of the RCC doing so much harm to the world, what have you've done to help the world? The RCC has helped the world more than any system has. Giving and giving and giving, but for some, it's never enough. God bless you sdqa and I beg you to look at that site.

God give you peace:)

-- Jason (Enchantedfire5@yahoo.com), January 11, 2005.