Bewlo ar eht five solas I collected abotu a eyar an a half ago, so dont kmwo thr eorigin, with commentary.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 11, 2005

Answers

The five Sola's ( alone's, only's) of Martain Luther.I agree in aprt with some, and not at all with some, so comments are added by me.In the red handwritting dfont is my answer. In case you don get the colur and new font type, I also inclosed thm in {} Brackets. ********************************************************************** ************** SOLA SCRIPTURA, or Scripture Alone

SOLA GRATIA, or Grace Alone

SOLA FIDE, or Faith Alone

SOLUS CHRISTUS, or Christ Alone

SOLI DEO GLORIA, or Glory Of God Alone

Explanations.

The Five Sola's of the Reformation:

Sola Scriptura: (Scripture Alone) This principle asserts the supreme sufficiency of God's written Word. No other words are adequate and no other words are divine. Popes, creeds, councils and tradition of men have no authority when they contradict the Holy Scriptures. The Bible is complete and the canon is closed. No further revelation is given. "In these last days He has spoken to us in His Son" (Hebrews 1:2). Jesus Christ has spoken all that is necessary through His apostles in the Bible. The Bible alone is sufficient: 2 Tim. 3:17; Ps. 119:1; Deut. 4:2; 12:30; 29:29; Ps. 30:5-6; Rev. 22:18-19.

{sola sriptura I must agree on, for what other standard can I find? Thouhg I reject the notion that revelation has ceased, ( soemthing, I add, that pentacostals likewise reject) I do agree that the Bible alone is suffecent for our Knoweldge of christ and salvation, and hus has no need for addition. I also agree that it is a cmplete work.}

Sola Gratia: (Grace Alone) Salvation is by grace alone. The definition of "grace" is unmerited favor. God is never under any obligation to grant salvation. If God's justice required that He give grace to all men, then salvation would not be a gift but an act of justice. If men could earn the grace of God, grace would by definition no longer be grace- it would be merit. "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace" (Romans 11:6). God bestows His grace freely and sovereignly upon those whom He chooses to save. The elect are saved by grace alone: Eph. 1:3-11; 2:8-9; Rom. 9:10-16; 2 Tim. 1:9; 2 Thes. 2:13.

{This reads too closley to calvinism, which oddly Martain Luther rejected. Noentheless, I say God bestws grace upon all, and we must accept it.I do not beelive he bestows irt only on "The elect".This assumes that God allows or flatly chooses who si and s not damned, and limits our own aprticipation in our salvation, inded reducing it to no action taken on our own part. no Moment where we accept Christ, no moment where wechoose our fate, for od determiens the election of who is and is not to receive grace, and seemingly on a whim.

Thou I beleive salvation is by grace, I do not beelive that it is given to sinners who decide o still sin, but mist be given only when the other makes attmept at reonciliation, wich God made posible by dying for us on the cross of Calvary.

Our salvation is thus throuhg the Grace of God, but the Grace is given to all who woiudl recive him of there own will, for God is gracious, and not apt to turn anyaway.}

Sola Fide: (Faith Alone) Salvation is through faith alone. In Romans 3:26 the Apostle Paul tells us that God sent His Son as an atoning sacrifice, "to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies the man who has faith in Jesus." Rather than being declared righteous on the basis of our faith plus our deeds, we are declared righteous solely on the basis of our faith in the righteousness of Christ. (Romans 3:20-28). Christ's righteousness is imputed to the sinner not infused or imparted. Without the imputation of Christ's righteousness to us, all the infused grace we have will not save us because we as Christians do sin and fall short of Gods own perfect standard! We are justified by faith alone but not by faith that is alone. Genuine faith is accompanied by the fruit of good works (James 2:14-18). We are not declared righteous on the basis of any work, but only on the basis of our faith in Jesus: Rom. 3:20, 26, 28; 4:2-13; Gal. 2:16; 3:24-25.

{I disagree, Faith without works is dead, and we are not justified by Faith alone, but by our sincere faith and our actiosn taken as a result of this faith. we are justified by our repentance, our turnign away, and our deeds for God' service after salvation.

Christ himself said to do his commandmes, so we are expected to try these, and even if we fail or sin, we can repent again of thse sins, and work harder, noetheless, we ae thus commanded.}

Solus Christus: (Christ Alone) Salvation is because of Christ alone. Jesus Christ alone paid the full penalty for the sins of His people and presents them as righteous before the Father, restoring their fellowship with Him. His death was substitutionary in that He offered Himself as a sacrifice to satisfy Divine justice as the sins of His people were imputed to Him on the cross. We are saved solely on the basis of the merit of Christ, none of our own: Gal. 3:13; 2 Cor. 5:21; Rom. 3:25; 4:25; 8:3; Rom. 1:17; 3:21; 1 Cor. 1:30.

{On this I shall agree in part, thouh as stated above, our own actions of both acceptign hcirst, and performing his commandemtns. If we keep his commandments and labour toward him, we are saved , so , liek with all relaitonships, thoguh we cannot earn his Grace, we can work on the relaitonhsip now.

But cirst sacrifice alone was sufficient for our salvation.}

Soli Deo Gloria: (To God Alone be the Glory) In salvation, God alone receives credit and glory. We are saved for His glory, not for our own. His purpose in saving us and in all He does is to magnify the glory of His own great name, to have a people that would sing His praises, live in a way that reflects His character. God alone gets the credit for our salvation, because we did not contribute one thing to it. God alone, therefore, receives glory: Is. 42:8; 43:7; 48:11; Ps. 115:1; Rom. 11:36; 16:27; Eph. 3:21; Phil. 4:20; 1 Tim. 1:17; 2 Tim. 4:18.

{This makes Giod rather arrogant and self centred, and I reject htis. thus, it is nt that God alone deserved glory and reveence I reject ( as seemed your understanding) but the idea that God saves us soley tomagnify his own name.

He saves us because he loves us, not soley for his own glory, nor just to recieve credit. After all, why not just create more things thatdotn fall? we are flalen and imperfect anyway.

and hwo is he magnifyign his name to?

Salvation is because he loves us, not soley becaue he wants ot magnify his own name.}

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 11, 2005.

SO... no one is overly intrested in the Bg five f the reformation??? Surley soem comment is warrented here...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 12, 2005.

Yep, no one cares to discuss the five solas or My take...oh well...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 17, 2005.

Zarove, it's one thing to have a discussion with yourself in private, but it's quite another to have a conversation with yourself in a public forum! LOL!! LOL!!

Why don't you try to break it down a bit. Start a thread entitled "sola fida" etc. etc. I think having everything in one thread is a bit overwhelming.

G--

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), January 17, 2005.

easier all inone I thnk.

By the way elp never ficed the Meat theread...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 17, 2005.

stay alive thread. got qu's for Z.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), January 24, 2005.

I htink the issue is that Im largley in agreement with most posters here these days...or they dotn bother reaidng long Posts as Gail said, but I rmemeber when l;ong psost where fialy common...So I htink this is just that no oen much cares these days for hte reforms logic.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 24, 2005.

I will get to it, Zarove.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), January 24, 2005.

i care Zarove, but in an indirect way. what i'd like to do is post some anathemas from the Council of Trent, and try to understand more fully the nature of the anathema. i'd need someone conversant in reform theology to push that along.

here are some on Baptism - an easy start:

CANON II.-If any one saith, that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and, on that account, wrests, to some sort of metaphor, those words of our Lord Jesus Christ; Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost; let him be anathema.

CANON V.-If any one saith, that baptism is free, that is, not necessary unto salvation; let him be anathema.

i think this negates "Sola Fide", if i understand your description above, but nothing else.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), January 25, 2005.

IAN-You do realise this is a critique of the 5 Sola's, right? These arent my descriptions, my comments are in {} Brackets. I disagree with Sola Fide.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 25, 2005.

i do realise, Zarove. what is important is that you know them well enough to have a view. it's up to you. thought it might be one way to pursue this thread, and help me too.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), January 25, 2005.