Augustine

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Many protestants claim Augustine as their own.

Do they claim:

Augustine, Doctor of the Church

OR

Augustine of Canterbury

I assume they are two different people.

Hugh

-- Hugh (hugh@inspired.com), January 12, 2005

Answers

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-- bump (bump@bump.bp), January 12, 2005.

I think Calvinists claim St. Augustine of Hippo because Calvin based his idea of predestination on some of Augustine's teachings. However, Calvin took Augustine's teachiungs into heresy. This issue was settled at the Councils of Orange, and later with the Jansenists (?), until Calvin brought them up again after the Protestant Reformation.

-- Andy S ("ask3332004@yahoo.com"), January 12, 2005.

Many peopel simpley revere Augustien for his briiant intellect and insight, while retainign disagreeanc eon some o f the htigns he said. Much liek catholcis revere C.S.Lewis, even though he was Anglican.Or Boenhoffer... the list is endless...

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 12, 2005.

Yes, Augustine of Hippo lifted up the supremacy of God's grace, and reminded us we can believe and do that which is truly good only by God's grace. Pelagius, whom he was arguing against, thought we can please God by our own powers apart from grace, or could at least begin the process ourselves. Yes, both Lutherans and Reformed including Calvinists, honor Augustine of Hippo.

Augustine of Canterbury was about 200 years later, sent by Pope Gregory to evangelize the Anglo-Saxons in Britain. So sometimes Anglicans point to him as their apostolic founder.

-- Michael (edwardsronning@prodigy.net), January 12, 2005.


Which founded the Augustinians

and

Which Latinized the Church in Great Britain?

-- Hugh (hugh@inspired.com), January 12, 2005.



Augustine of Hippo (died in 430 A.D. I think) is the one the order is named after. Interestingly, though he is regarded as a canonized saint in the Catholic West, the Eastern Orthodox have not regarded him as a saint.

Augustine of Canterbury was sent I think in 597 by Gregory I to evangelize the Anglo-Saxons on what we now call Great Britain, which of course both converted them from paganism and Latinized them at the same time. There *were* earlier, Celtic Christians in Britain prior to Augustine, but they were what we would now call the Welsh and Cornish; the Angles and Saxons were Teutonic pagans and needed basic conversion.

-- Michael (edwardsronning@prodigy.net), January 12, 2005.


Thanks

-- hguh (hugh@inpsired.ocm), January 14, 2005.

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