I wanted to tell you all how much I have enjoyed this forum. All of you folks here have helped me grow immensely in my faith over the past year since I started posting here; I have learned so much due to reading all of your posts. However, I am anticipating a very busy semester and with all the reading I do here, I just won't be able to keep up. I will really miss it, but I believe taking some time off from reading and posting on this forum is for the best.

If anyone wishes to correspond by email, please feel free. I will hopefully come back here again someday when life is not so busy. If this forum still exists by the time (if/when) I join the sisterhood, then I shall also let you all know of this event. There is already an order that I'm very interested in, but due to college and being a new convert (whom they typically make wait 3 years), among other things, now is not the time yet. God's timing, I am sure, is better than mine.

Please keep me in your prayers for my busy semester. Also, for more strong Catholic friends here at my college. Thank you & God bless,

-- Emily (jesusfollower7@yahoo.com), January 13, 2005

Answers

-- (bump@bump.bump), January 13, 2005.

You will be missed.

Fawewell to thee. Thy cintributions where well, and thy spirit always striving tot he Lord, for now stidy hard and diligently, and live in grace embued, and in all thigns, turn tot he Lord.

God be with thee.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 13, 2005.

I will always enjoy the pleasant way about your posts. There is no doubt that your faith and character is even more pleasant and inspiring.

Que Dios te bendiga.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 13, 2005.

Emily,

You'll be sorely missed. Your gentle witness and strong faith were edifying. You helped me grow in the Lord. Hope to keep in touch. God bless you on your journey.

-- Andy S ("ask3332004@yahoo.com"), January 14, 2005.

Dearest Emily,

You are such an inpiring young lady, and you've been a real blessing to this forum and the other one as well. It has been a great pleasure to meet you here. You have a quiet and kind spirit; one that I'm sure, in the hands of the Lord, will do great things for God.

God Bless You,

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), January 14, 2005.

Emily,

This forum will not be complete without you. You will be sorely missed, by us all. Come back soon!

-- Garret Ford (Parallax281457689@Yahoo.com), January 14, 2005.

Emily, thanks for your assistance this time.

You are the type that likes to get to the bottom of things.

My suggestion to you is to still be involved with Church, though not necessarily as a nun.

My sister is a eucharistic minister. She has 3 kids. It may sound strange, but it was me who introduced her into the Catholic Church.

You are not the type that takes orders.You are the type that questions. Thus, one day you may have to live the sisterhood if you join one.

May Yahweh our God and his Son Jesus guide and bless your life.

Best wishes from The Christian Yahwist

The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), January 14, 2005.

Best Wishes Emily. I hope you find what God is leading you to. Remember that it is this journey *itself* that makes up your life : )

I hope you'll check in on us once in a while. I know it s hard to do that without getting pulled into lengthy discussions. But it is possible. I've been training myself to do it, otherwise I would get nothing done.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 14, 2005.

Who is Garret Ford? He says Emily will be sorely missed?#@%#?

I'm confused.....I think I remember the name, but....

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 14, 2005.

Au revoir, lovely lady. a bientot.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), January 14, 2005.

Anarchy Forum, faith.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), January 14, 2005.

Really? Emily posted at the anarchy forum? Wow. Who'da thunk it?

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 14, 2005.

Jesus sat and ate with them Pharisees.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 14, 2005.

Emily

You taught me much about my own faith. I hope all is fullfilled with what happens with yours. Its easy to get off track. I'm an expert.

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), January 15, 2005.

Thank you all for your kind words & prayers. I shall continue to pray for you also. I have never posted on the Anarchy forum, so I don't know where that came from! lol.

Elpidio, why do you think I shouldn't become a nun?

-- Emily ("jesusfollower7@yahoo.com"), January 15, 2005.

Ian, what is: a bientot?

-- Emily ("jesusfollower7@yahoo.com"), January 15, 2005.

bientot;"be good"???

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 15, 2005.

Emily,

You are experiencing a feeling of joy right now as a new catholic.

The time will come when it will cool off (7 years or later).

You are an inquiring person. This is what led you into the Catholic Church as opposed to being a Protestant. But your inquiring mind will not stop there. As Catholic, you will no,longer question the authority of your superiors. So there will be conflict in your mind.

You grew up with a belief of having children. What if you don't, then this will bring you remorse in the future.

If you plan to be a nun, do it after your kids are grown up, Emily.

You have a mission in life, Emily, but that is not your mission:to be a nun now. Be a lay missionary instead, cathechist, religious instructor,....

You will thank me later.

If you had seen my e-mails to Clinto and Bush, you know I gave them good future advice.

The only thing I warned them about was their discgrace: Bush was not installing an Iraqi as President 2 months after the invasion. Clinton:sex and watching the bodyguards who in the end betray him.

To the Pope I told him since 1996 to have celibacy as an option for priests and replace children at the altar with married men.

He didn't. Now the church has begun closing and selling buildings in places like Boston....

To my sister I said: your first kid will be a boy (he was). By the time you are 30 you will be like a nun. Sort of:she is now a eucharistic minister for the Church.

The rest is history....

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), January 15, 2005.

"a bientot" = see you soon/ 'til we next meet.

a positive way of saying goodbye, i hope.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), January 15, 2005.

I htink she shoudl pursue her dreams now, and not later come to regret them.

so welpidio, Let her pursue the sisters, if is nto for ehr she has a few eyars to learn anyway, so let her have her dream now, and give her the merry chase, and learn her own fate.

I think she will make a fien Nun.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 15, 2005.

Emily,

It is my sincere hope and prayer that maybe one day you might study your way out of Catholicism...

That is if you study your Bible without any outside help...

There are many Catholic doctrines that are not found in God's word and since this is the case, Catholicism is to be rejected...

Obedience to His word alone is sufficient and nothing else is needed or required in order for one to be saved...

I can assure you the Catholic Church will not be there to save you on judgment day if you have been misled...

That is why God in His infinite wisdom set up churches that were and still are autonomous... In this way, one false teacher will not cause the whole church to go astray and fall into apostasy...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), January 15, 2005.

Kevin, perhaps this sint the right thread for this sort of discussion...after all, shes leavign the forum becase of her workload, and will miss us as we miss her, so perhaps a more gentle goodbye and not a reprisal is needed here?

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 15, 2005.

Zarove,

You are probably right however, what are the chances she would have read what I wrote in another thread concerning the things that I said to her???

Probably slim left town...

I do wish her the best of luck in whatever the future holds for her...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), January 15, 2005.

Emily,

God bless you as you start another semester. Your posts on this board have shown both your intelligence, your boldness and your patience. With those qualities, you are an excellent witness to the Gospel.

-- James (stinkcat_14@hotmail.com), January 16, 2005.

Zarove--

Why is it you saw fit to admonish Kevin for his post, yet Elpidio goes without a word?

Is prophesying over someone really appropriate?

I don't think he should burden anyone with his fortune telling.

I sure hope that Emily knows the difference between a true prophet of God and an antichrist.

No offence to Elpidio--but this is what the Bible says is a false prophet--an antichrist.

....and there is no doubt that Elpidio denies Jesus and His rightful place.

His prophesies should be ignored.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 16, 2005.

Oops, sorry Zarove

I missed this:

I htink she shoudl pursue her dreams now, and not later come to regret them. so welpidio, Let her pursue the sisters, if is nto for ehr she has a few eyars to learn anyway, so let her have her dream now, and give her the merry chase, and learn her own fate.

I think she will make a fien Nun.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 16, 2005.

Elpidio, thanks for the advice, but I disagree. I must go where God calls me, and I believe that's the sisterhood. My understanding of God's calling may change in the future, however, this is currently how I see it, and so what I must pursue.

Kevin, Thank you for your concern, and I can relate to what you're thinking. In my Protestant days I probably would have had similar ideas about someone becoming Catholic. But now I see more clearly -- God has called me here and it is the Truth.

Now I have a proposal for you. I will pray to God for you this exact phrase: "Lord, please lead Kevin to the Truth, wherever that may be." You are free to pray this also for me if you wish. I see no problem praying for the Truth, since God knows better than us and He will know what we mean by this prayer.

You believe that your group, the churches of Christ, is the one true Church. I believe that the Catholic Church is. We can't both be right, and we could both be wrong. Praying for the Truth in this way will let God sort it out, since He knows better than us. How does that sound?

God bless,

-- Emily ("jesusfollower7@yahoo.com"), January 16, 2005.

Faith, thanks for the warning. You make a good point.

-- Emily ("jesusfollower7@yahoo.com"), January 16, 2005.

Emily,

You wrote, "You believe that your group, the churches of Christ, is the one true Church. I believe that the Catholic Church is. We can't both be right, and we could both be wrong."

You are correct, we can't both be right and I can assure you that one of us is in the wrong...

You wrote, "Praying for the Truth in this way will let God sort it out, since He knows better than us. How does that sound?"

God will sort it out on judgment day and if you wait until then it will be too late...

I can assure you that God did not place any man (the pope) over the church that Jesus built... Only those who obey the gospel of Christ and are obedient to His commandments will be saved... I can assure you that the Catholic Church does not teach that one must obey the gospel... One prime example of this is they teach that infants must be baptized and this is a direct violation of the commandment of God that in order to come to Him, one must have faith... Since an infant is incapable of having faith, Catholics change the word of God to prop up their own false doctrine that infants must be baptized to wash away the original sin of Adam... I can assure you there is no such thing... and I would challenge you to search the scriptures to see if these things are so...

May God bless you in your search for the truth...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), January 16, 2005.

Hey Kevin

i am not as much interested in debating this here - as it's Emily's leaving thread - but, in a nutshell, and for information purposes, how does you Church view the fate of a child or adult that dies before Baptism is received?

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), January 17, 2005.

"i am not as much interested in debating this here - as it's Emily's leaving thread - but, in a nutshell, and for information purposes, how does you Church view the fate of a child or adult that dies before Baptism is received?"

A child is saved, an adult is lost...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), January 17, 2005.

BTW, nice email address, Kevin. It must feel good to be in that stage of life.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 17, 2005.

Kevin

for the adult, no water, no baptism?

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), January 17, 2005.

I think the thief on the cross is a great example that salvation comes by coming to the foot of the cross and confessing that jesus is without sin, and that we are sinners in need of Him, and then asking Him to save us. No water necessary because the true baptism is a rebirth by the Spirit! That's the saving baptism. The water ritual was a forshadow of this better baptism that Jesus brought.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 17, 2005.

Rod,

Yes, it does feel nice...

I still have to work though... :-(

But it is nice having an extra paycheck... :-)

Ian,

You wrote, "for the adult, no water, no baptism?"

If an adult does not obey the gospel by hearing, believing, repenting of their sins, confessing their faith in the gospel (i.e. confessing Jesus as Lord), and being baptized in water for the remission of their sins, they will be lost...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), January 17, 2005.

thx for the answers Kevin.

might wish to explore further on another thread.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), January 17, 2005.

Kevin,

What you describe-- hearing, believing, repenting of their sins, confessing their faith in the gospel (i.e. confessing Jesus as Lord), and being baptized in water

Should read like this:

..by hearing the gospel, believing the message, repenting of their sins, confessing their faith in Jesus Christ, and being baptized...is being born-again. We are washed clean by the Word, Jesus Christ, and His blood--we are given a new life and receive the Holy Spirit. This is the saving baptism.

Acts 19:1-7

While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”

They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”

So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”

“John's baptism,” they replied.

Paul said, “John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.”

On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. (notice this does not involve water.)

When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. There were about twelve men in all.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 17, 2005.

1: How do you knwo it doesnt invovle water? They may have been baptosed in water then POaul Laid his hands?

2: Dont you think this thread is best suited to wishing well to emily, and not to baptoism discussions?

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 17, 2005.

Zarove--

I think we have pretty much covered Emily's goodbyes'.

You try too hard to control the threads' directions. It seems silly and quite impossible. Why interupt the flow of conversation?

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 17, 2005.

Then don't complain about other posters going off-topic, Faith.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 17, 2005.

I don't, rod.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 17, 2005.

The pont is we shoint turn every thread into needless debates. By the ay the "Flow of conversaitin' is suppose to be directed, tjats why we have threads...Covered or no EWmly's Goodbyes are the point of this thread, and we shoidnt mare that with personal debates.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 17, 2005.

Well Zarove--

I just don't see you governing all the threads like that.

Take a look at any of the other threads initial post and then look at the last posts and see for yourself. They never remain on topic. Never.

I just don't think it is your place to dictate what a person can say in a post or not. At least, I don't remember doing that when I was moderating.

Look at the Rapture 2 thread. We are discussing if one can know whether they are saved or not.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 17, 2005.

This threa dis a little different Faiht, and I want it to remain in good spirits as we wish on fo pur members off, and not turn into a petty feud.

I dont CARE how other threads are run, not on this one, OK?

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 17, 2005.

I think the thread was in fine spirit until you started making unnecessary demands and of course, when rod had to add in his 2 cents.

It's not like Emily is going overseas or something.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 17, 2005.

If $0.02 is all that it takes to get you going, I've got lots of petti cash on hand, Faith. BTW, it wasn't a $00.02 remark. It was more like a $100,000.00 fact:

Jesus sat and ate with them Pharisees.

The reason I said that was in defense of all those people who spread the Gospels to those whom are rejected by snobby Christians and others. So what if you thought Emily posted anywhere? The benefactors are the readers. Emily obviously has the Holy Spirit with her. Who'd a thunk it??

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 17, 2005.

And besides...

When you leave, Faith, we'll make a big deal about your leaving. It will be as if you were going over seas or something. We promise.

So, when are you leaving, Faith???!!

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 17, 2005.

oh rod., I wasn't talking about that remark! Lol.

Try this one:

Then don't complain about other posters going off-topic, Faith.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 17, 2005.

Oh! that one. That's only a $00.01 remark. I do believe that you brought this thread off-topic. Nobody complained, actually. Oh, except you in a ironical way. (That last comment was about a $10.00 worth. It'll be worth more next week with inflation and all.)

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 17, 2005.

Here is your off-topic sample:

"Who is Garret Ford?"

And then it went downhill from there.

(This post: $5.00)

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), January 17, 2005.

Emily,

Please accept my apology for taking this thread about you off topic...

I was the first one to do it and it has digressed since then...

Please forgive me and I pray that God will continue to bless you and your family in everything that you set your heart and mind to accomplish here on earth...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), January 17, 2005.

Lovely words, Kevin. i think we'd all concur.

-- Ian (ib@vertifgo.com), January 18, 2005.

Kevin, thank you for your kindness. You are of course forgiven. I will pray for God's blessings on you also.

-- Emily ("jesusfollower7@yahoo.com"), January 18, 2005.

Kevin, you are becoming so entirely gracious, it is hard for me to imagine that we ever fought about anything!

Gail

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), January 18, 2005.

That's OK, Emily.

My sister tried to prove me wrong ,too.

But in case you change your mind let me know. I have been wrong only 13 times in 21 1/2 years since October 1986. I will be around for the next 40 years. I am not going away. Just type my name, Christian Yahwist, or The Man of Yahweh.

That is why I titled my tread about death can faith stop death? because I am interested in how people can change their destiny.God Yahweh allows some people to have a second chance while most other can't. So far is 6/52 as of 1/14/05 since July 4, 2004.

So far of the 100+ people to die within 3 years 6 moved their day of death. One moved 3 months but is dead: Janet Leigh from Psycho Antonio Aguilar, Fidel castro, the Pope (probably will die in April 2005), Bush Jr. (probably wil die in April/May 2005), and William Renhquist(probably February or march 2005) have skipped their day of death.

I have only in the public eye for the last 3.

The Christian Yahwist

The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), January 18, 2005.

Hey elp, will I ever be Pope? Or at leats in "Psycho" the remake?

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), January 18, 2005.

God's prophecies and predictions are 100% accurate and fool proof. His prophets and those He choses to use, prophesied with the very same accuracy.

If your visions were from God--they could never be wrong.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 18, 2005.

"Kevin, you are becoming so entirely gracious, it is hard for me to imagine that we ever fought about anything!"

I am trying to do better Gail... :-)

Thanks for the kind words...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), January 18, 2005.

God Yahweh can change his mind, faith.

Why did he send prophets like Moses,...samuel,Natahn, Miacaiah, Elijah,....Isaiah, Amoz, ....Jeremiah,...?

If God Yahweh wanted the Jews to die in hteir sins, then he could have let them die. But instead he gave them chances. Sometimes they obeyed and were saved.

Paul was told not to go to Jerusalem. There was no need for Paul to die. He chose to go. He was imprisoned and later executed by the Romans.

People make choices, faith. That s why we have freewill.

That is why there is a thing called prayer.

Remember when isaiah told King Hezekiah he would die? Hezekiah prayed and he lieved 15 more years.

Do you think then that Isaiah was wrong the first time?

That is why you don't understand prophecy, faith.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), January 18, 2005.

God's Word cannot change--His Words will never pass away. What is recorded is recorded and His prophecy is 100% accurate. He tells us that we will know a true prophet by whether His predictions come true or not. He tells us that if a prediction is false, so is the prophet. This is how we are to know the difference. This is why God gives us prphecy in the first place, so that we could know His truth.

-- (faith01@myway.com), January 18, 2005.