the war in iraq

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the usa attacked iraq because they 'suspected' them to have weapons of mass destruction,now when they didn't find any weapons;why don't they just fuck off?

it's not their task to bring 'democracy in the world',while their own country isn't even close to democracy

who the fuck do they think they are?

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 21, 2005

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i am not from as guan or whatever

and get a life dude

i think you will die without internet and without fucking up web sites

pathetic faggot

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 21, 2005.


We just found massive amounts of gasses made solely with the intent of terrorist attacks, and that was only three months ago. Follow the news. But on a lighter note, we all know that Bush's first priority isn't to rid Iraq of WMD's, but rather to get the countries oil. It's a war that was fought with his father before him in the Gulf War (if you've been living that long to remember) and it's nothing more than a political family feud. We, however, are one of the most if not the most democratic country in the world, and if you believe otherwise, show me an example: one that actually does jack shit in the world and doesn't get their asses whipped in every war they've ever fought in.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 21, 2005.

We invaded Iraq for many reasons...not just WMDs. 1) because they were funding and sheltering terrorists INCLUDING AL QAEDA folk who escaped from our assault in Afganistan.... that's proven beyond all doubt except for dimocrits who refuse to believe exhaustive proof.

2) we invaded because Iraq broke UN resolution 1441 that threatened war if they didn't come clean. All that was asked of Iraq was this: if you don't have WMDs, then show us HOW, WHEN, WHERE, AND BY WHOM you destroyed them. Ought to have been super easy for them to do this... but they didn't. Instead they challenged us to go and find this on our own. But the UN inspectors where NOT DETECTIVES. THEY WERE THERE AS PUBLIC NOTARIES TO SIGN OFF ON IRAQ'S COMPLIANCE.

3) After democrats and other socialists howled for 12 months that terrorism is spawned by tyranny, poverty, and repression, we invaded to get rid the Middle East's biggest source of tyranny, poverty, and repression! Suddenly the dipsticks think making the Iraqis free and economically well off is a bad idea!

But hey, when CLinton attacked Iraq in 1998 every leftists thought that was a cool idea and many demanded we invade (including Kerry). Strange that after 9/11 the same people should suddenly claim that we had no reason to invade when nothing changed in Iraq!

Oh and by the way... all those who claim to love the poor are pretty damn stupid when they claim that the US protecting oil is somehow a bad or immoral reason to do something... whenever oil goes up in price, the poor are the first to suffer.

Fact is, folks, the world's economy runs on oil... without a free supply (which we PAY FOR BY THE WAY...WE DON'T STEAL ANYONE'S OIL), to meet demand, every country's economy would tank and along with it, their tax base with which these countries pay for social, domestic programs!

So do you want the US to spend more on education, health care and the environment? If so, you'd better be hoping the price of oil stays around $40 a barrel.

If Iraq or any other nations goes to pieces or falls to Osama Bin Laden (who demands oil to be $100/barrel) the chilling effect on the economy would be :recession then depression, lost jobs, lost tax base, huge increase in poverty, and loss of public means to help the poor across the board.

-- Joe (joestong@yahoo.com), January 21, 2005.


"We just found massive amounts of gasses made solely with the intent of terrorist attacks, and that was only three months ago."

Where did you hear that? I know they found an old cannister full of gas about a year ago, but it was left over from the war with Iran, which happened in the 80's.

"We, however, are one of the most if not the most democratic country in the world, and if you believe otherwise, show me an example: one that actually does jack shit in the world and doesn't get their asses whipped in every war they've ever fought in. "

This is true. OTOH, the 2000 election was marked by voter fraud of a degree usualy only seen in places such as Haiti or Syria, and if you look at our track record for supporting democracy abroad, we come up mighty short after overthrowing democratic governemnts in Iran, Cuba, Chile (our buddy Joe thinks Pinochet was quite the hero), ect. But yes, in terms of personal freedom and the level of participation in government we enjoy here at home, America is definitely number one.

"We invaded Iraq for many reasons...not just WMDs."

Well duh...you gotta have something to fall back on when reason #1 turns out to be complete and utter bullshit.

"because they were funding and sheltering terrorists INCLUDING AL QAEDA folk who escaped from our assault in Afganistan.... that's proven beyond all doubt"

If all the proof you need is to see Dubya get on TV and say "al Qaeda" and "Iraq" in the same sentence, then yes, it has been proven. If not, well, things aren't quite as clear...

No, it has not been proven.

"except for dimocrits who refuse to believe exhaustive proof."

Dimoncrits? There's a new one. I've heard Demon-crats, Dummycrats, Dummy-rats, Dumbocrats, Demon-rats...but Dimoncrits? I don't get it.

"we invaded because Iraq broke UN resolution 1441 that threatened war if they didn't come clean. All that was asked of Iraq was this: if you don't have WMDs, then show us HOW, WHEN, WHERE, AND BY WHOM you destroyed them. Ought to have been super easy for them to do this... but they didn't. Instead they challenged us to go and find this on our own. But the UN inspectors where NOT DETECTIVES. THEY WERE THERE AS PUBLIC NOTARIES TO SIGN OFF ON IRAQ'S COMPLIANCE."

The United States has the world's biggest arsenal of weapons of mass destruction. Who will disarm us?

Iraq had no weapons. Those in power lied to us. Period.

"But hey, when CLinton attacked Iraq in 1998 every leftists thought that was a cool idea and many demanded we invade (including Kerry)."

I didn't. I thought it was a bad idea then and it's a bad idea now. Nice try, though.

-- Anti-Bush (comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), January 21, 2005.


well nice post anti-b exept the democracy thing

it doesn't mean that if the usa is the most democratic country in the world that there is any democracy in the usa

anyway,osama is just a product of hollywood,al qaeda of bush & co's imagination;and the whole threat of terrorism is just made up to make the people believe that their governement is protecting them and to gain support of the ppl,while their governement are the actual terrorists that did this all because of their own enourmous profits,they want to make the ppl focus on this fictive crap so nobody can see the real problems;where is the proof that osama attacked america? where is the proof that al qaeda exists? they can tell anything they want,and you just believe it;i guess that the truth is sometimes just too unbelieveble to believe,even if there are enough facts that prove it

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 21, 2005.



Ignorance at its best, sdqa. Do me a favor, let the people here with IQ's above that of a rocks' do the discussing here... at least we can make valid points worth reading.

I don't see Americans floating 40 to a raft in hopes of having a better life in Mexico. Maybe if you lived anywhere else in the world you'd know what democracy meant. Obviously you're too pampered with the luxuries that the Americans before us gave their lives for to even give them acknowledgement that they died for a valid cause.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 21, 2005.


And here's just one example of WMD we found in Iraq.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/graphics/phantom_fury/flash.htm

So there, proof that there already HAS been found weps, what more do you need. If there's some, there's always more.

-- cha0ticz (LordBrent@gmail.com), January 21, 2005.


Fool.

That doesn't show any WMD's. It's a bunch of pictures of our boys in Iraq. A few vials of sarin are not WMDs. Watch the Flash before you post it claiming it's evidence, fucktard.

-- Road Fool Rider (rfriida@southnet.com), January 24, 2005.


I agreed with the bombing of Iraq in 1998 because saddam threw out the inspectors 6 weeks prior. The war in iraq was about WMD. It was what it took for us as an american people to get behind it. In 2003 saddam did allow inspections after it became apparent we were going to attack. It was like telling a dog to heel and it does but we shot it anyway. bombing campaigns and sanctions apparently worked at keeping iraq from developing wmd. I would have rather bombed them every 2 years than this mess we are in. Hopefully the iraq people will come together and turn in their terrorist so we can leave victoriously but it is going to be a long haul and the will of the iraq people may fail and we could actually lose this one.

-- Brasky (brasky@bombiraqevery2years.com), January 24, 2005.

open your fucken eyes ppl...

there are no terrorists...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 25, 2005.



umm, open your, there are, and their leader is called gw bush.

-- bvbbb (bob@bob.bob), January 25, 2005.

lol

well i was talking about the terrorists they were talking about

but bush is not the leader...he's rather a pawn in this game who they can replace very easily and bring up someone else and make us think something changed...

the real leaders are the ones that support all this crap financially

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), January 26, 2005.


Country just as democratic if not more than the USA who DONT get their asses handed to them in every war = Canada.

Yeah, we may have a tiny army and may not enter many wars, but when we do, people want us there, which is more than I can say for the US.

And I beleive your whole way of judging things is flawed... I DO beleive the US has lost a MAJOR FUCKING WAR in the last 40 years or so.

-- Kayce (kayce@hotmail.com), January 26, 2005.

Canada doesn't exist.

-- LordBrent (Canad@sucks.dick), January 27, 2005.

the us only picks war fights with little countries who cant fight back against the huge american weaponry/arsenal. THats why they 'win' their wars. By bombing a bunch of sheep herders from two hundreds miles away with cruise missiles. Very fucking heroic america! very fucking heroic.

-- bbbbb (bub@bob.bub), February 01, 2005.


Well, I was minding my own buisness camping in a tent in Kuwait and the fuckers shot a SCUD at us.... I mean, we shot it down and everything was cool, but shit.... what did I do to them??

-- Dick Tator (inneedofliberty@yahoo.com), February 01, 2005.

hmmm. So which "big" country do you think America has to take out in order to be considered tough and heroic?

Lets see...British Empire at height of its power: check. British Empire again, after said Empire beat Napoleon: check. Mexican nation with combined amphibious assault (Vera Cruz) and land attack: check. Civil War in which the two most heavily armed and ferocious groups on earth slaughtered each other for 4 years: check.

Spanish Empire: check. German Empire: check

Japanese Empire & German Third Reich (simultaneously): check.

North Korea and China (simultaneously): check.

Russia and China in a proxy war in Vietnam: check: defeated them militarily but lost politically thanks to Hollywood and a Democratic Congress that violated US law and treaty obligations by not defending South Vietnam 3 years after most US troops left.

Iraq #1: check. Afghanistan (land which defeated both the British Empire and the Soviet Union at the height of its power) check (took all of 3 weeks).

Iraq #2: check.

So who's left? China again? Been there, done that. Russia? Been there, done that. Europe? We OCCUPY EUROPE! Every single nation in the EU has an American airbase, army base, or naval base....

Some people just insist on being proven wrong....

-- anon (anonymous@yahoo.com), February 08, 2005.


"North Korea and China (simultaneously): check."

When did that happen? Korea was a draw, at best, and China was the reason we didn't win. Once the Chinese army got involved, our forces got pushed back. We didn't beat anybody in that war, it was just another senseless waste of human life so that our government could show the world how big their collective dicks were.

"Russia and China in a proxy war in Vietnam: check: defeated them militarily but lost politically thanks to Hollywood and a Democratic Congress that violated US law and treaty obligations by not defending South Vietnam 3 years after most US troops left."

And now you're defending the Vietnam war? Jesus! How many good people have to die halfway across the world before you conservatives realize that it's all for nothing??? Vietnam was such a pointless bloodbath. Hey, let's sacrifice tens of thousands of soldiers for a fucking patch of jungle. And doon't give me that bullshit about "defending freedom" either, because South Korea was a dictatorship as well. I'm sure the Vietnamese really apreciated all the napalm we blanketed their country with. We fucked Vietnam up way worse than the Vietnamese ever could, even if they were godless communists.

"Iraq #1: check"

Iraq does not count as a "major world power".

"Afghanistan (land which defeated both the British Empire and the Soviet Union at the height of its power) check (took all of 3 weeks)."

Neither does Afghanistan.

"Iraq #2: check."

If Iraq didn't count as a superpower in 1991, it sure as hell doesn't count after a decade of sanctions and bombings.

"So who's left? China again? Been there, done that. Russia? Been there, done that. Europe? We OCCUPY EUROPE! Every single nation in the EU has an American airbase, army base, or naval base...."

Wow, I hope you're proud. Yep, we're the biggest kid on the block, and we've kicked everybody's ass, so who's ass are we going to kick now? What a fake, empty kind of patriotism. If you take so much pleasure in war, why don't you join the army?

-- Anti-Bush (comrade_bleh@hotmail.com), February 08, 2005.


Um, Mr Anon sir? The British Empire skooshed America in 1812. And America started the war. I dunno where youre getting your facts from...

And the US does pick on little countries, and is also an opportunist. You wont see them throw a missile at anyone with 'connections' nowadays, because the rest of the world would kill them. Yes, the world would end, because it would be one huge bloody war, but you couldnt attack Germany, for example, without the UN jumping in, or Russia, or China, or anything like that. Its only the little countries who have problems making friends.

It works the same way with bullies, they pick on the weak nerdy kids who cant find someone to care about them.

Now, what I do find extremely hipocritical (rant time) is how many people 'care' about the Iraq situation in telling the US to stop the war. 90 percent of thse so called 'anti-US' people who hate what you guys are doing over there couldnt have given a rats ass about Iraq pre-war. Saddam was a brutal, evil man. He was horrible to his own people, and did anyone really speak out? Well, NO, and thus, the conservatives jumped on it and Bush got himself a war because he decided to 'point out' what a bad person Saddam was. Due to the lack of caring by the left, he got the go-ahead with all this bullshit.

Put it this way. If everyone pre war had been 'ooooh, Saddam is bad, Iraq is in hurting' it would have given a lot of people time to think up a good goddamn plan, not the half assed brainless 'bomb everything' one people went in with. Hell, if it looked like people cared about what happens to the Muslim religion before war broke out, maybe they wouldnt wanna 'kill non-understanding whitey' so much. But no. Nobody ever thinks about that. They just blame bush for blowing up Iraq. Yes, Bush fucked up. But who fucked up even more are all those protesters by becoming the hypocritical 'we care... but just now, because its cool to care' bastards that they say they are fighting against.

How many left wingies do you hear talk about how the right wingies are all just sheeple following bush off the cliff like lemmings? Or how theres only one brain to every 10 people? Works both ways, but the popular media doesnt see/or care about that. I respect Michael Moore. I do NOT respect people who watch his stuff and then base their opinions soley around it, thats retarded and just as biased as living and breathing the catholic church your whole life because eveything else is 'wrong'.

Im able to say I beleive in what I beleive in, and I was one of the people who actually did care about countries other than my own pre iraq. Its not because of my location (Canada) or my culture (Pancake and KD eating Hippies) that has made me this way, because there are just as many sheeple on the left and right this side of the border. And that I hate being collectively group by stupid right wingers as 'just another leftie... AND a Canuck!'... or by stupid left wing- followers as 'one of us'.

Growl. By now Ive probably put you all to sleep.

-- KanuC (kc@kayce.ca), February 08, 2005.

nice said anti-bush

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 08, 2005.

To 'win' Iraq, the States would honestly have had better luck with either bombing the shit outta it, or trying to understand the people. Not some halfassed approach inbetween that didnt do shit.

-- Kayce (kayce@hotmail.com), February 11, 2005.

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