has anyone red 'why i am not christian' by bertrand russell?

what is your opinion about it?

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 12, 2005

Answers

I think he is the man who wrote a book "Don't Call Me Brother" or something like that. He is anti-Christian; I believe.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 12, 2005.

Ive read it, and its nothign but Sophist arugment form a fool.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 13, 2005.

i've red some stuff from him...he made quiete some good arguments...

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.com), February 13, 2005.

No, he didnt. He empliyed several logical fallacuies. Straw men syaing Chritsiasn bekeive thigs they dont, for instance) slippery slope ( saying a consequence of soemthing is somethign else wihtut rellay any evidence) and speculation.

You only think their good argumetns as you agree withhtem alreayd, not because of Logic.

Frdederick Neitche makes nbetter argumnts.

And he's terrible.

Trust me, if you want good anti-Christain arugments fnd better Philosophyers, not mor eoutspoken ones.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 13, 2005.

SDQA

I don't believe that you would be able to know if this Bertrand guy makes a good argument, unless you know both sides of the argument. You are obviously biased against Christianity to make a foir assesment of the debates.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 13, 2005.

...or even a fair assesment.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 13, 2005.

Bertrand Russell.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 14, 2005.

Btrand Russel is correct in his arguements in his book "Why I am no a christian?" .christianity is a religion like other religions that befools people and arrst the brains and prevent an individual from thinking independently and scientifically.All who want to think freely and rationally should read his books and his writings.if one reads Bible he would not live in the real world but in the heaven(?) that only Jesus had seen and befooled others.All religions talk about heaven that no religion has shown the place where heaven exists. No God NOGOD AT ALL please mail your opin ion to this mail ID - marxkannan@yahoo.co.in

-- Marx kannan (marxkannan@yahoomail.com), February 16, 2005.

"All who want to think freely and rationally should read his books and his writings.if one reads Bible he would not live in the real world but in the heaven(?) that only Jesus had seen and befooled others"--Marx.

Hmmm....a free thinker has nothing to fear by reading the Bible. Unless, of course, the Bible has some message in it that would destroy the free thinker's concepts of existence. Then, I would agree that the free thinker is no longer a "free thinker", but only a skeptic. All people should read as much as they can in any subject area. But, if the subject is useless or frivolous, we shouldn't waste our existence with it.

You all can reply here in this here forum.

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-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 16, 2005.

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Btrand Russel is correct in his arguements in his book "Why I am no a christian?"

No, he's not. And you didnt exaclty give a sterling defence of Russel, you justd eclare him right and tlak trash about rleigion, that's not going to fly you know...

.christianity is a religion like other religions that befools people and arrst the brains and prevent an individual from thinking independently and scientifically.

Says who? this is a common chaerge ffrom critics, but it isn't supported by anythign at all.

One can think individually and be rleigious. One can think sicntifically and be religious. many sicnetists ARE religious, including Issac Newton who wrote over a Million words on Bible Prophecy alone.

The su[[osition si that oen shuts oens brian off and just beelives whatever the Bible and preacher/Priest says, btu far form the truth is this supposition.

I, for one, APPLYthe Bibel and vew it as APPLIED Philosophy and mroality.

In short, I look for ways in which the mroal and ethical teahcigns can be APPLLIED. Like any other book, it can be APPLIED an if its teacigns conform to the knwon facts, then it can be beelived by any rational, indoivisual person, even if they apply the sicntificif meathod.

It dosn befool anyone, its no different beeliving eery word form russel and Inersol and the like and regurgetatgn their ariugments and beleivign the critixisims blidnly than it is beeliving the Bible blindly. and no one on this baord advocated blind faiht except peopel leik yuo who want us to blinfdly doubt the Biel and feel infirior beause we arent "Thinkign individually".

I doubt anyone here widl dare say Rod isnt an individual, or Faith, or emily, or Gail.

You have no evidence to back this claim at all, so why Shodl I beelive it?

All who want to think freely and rationally should read his books and his writings.

See, here is the problem, you basicaly make thinkign freely require reading his books. Its rccomened. The problem is I have read his works, and wasnt impressed. let me guess, i just ignroed them right? I bet you I can write deep thesises on russel and his work that you coln match. I am a proffesisonal auhtor after all.

Readign his books and beleivign them because tou dont want CHrisyainity to be true and recucling his arguents dosnt make you a free thiker. You just decided Chrisainity needs ot be proen false and found peopels works you can use to discredit it and beelive them o make you comfortable.

if one reads Bible he would not live in the real world but in the heaven(?) that only Jesus had seen and befooled others.

This makes absolutely no snece.

One woiltn live in Heaven by readign the Bible, ask most Christains.

Likewise, no oen advicated JUST readign the Bible, and as have said, ive read Russel, and Neitche, and spinoza, and Rene DesCarte, and Philo, and Plato, and Marx, and Ingersol, and Thomas Paine.

Do you rlelay think merely reaidng other peopls works will automatcllay prve the Bibel worhtless?

Likewise, have you ever read the Bible, and relaly studied it? doubtful, your too afraid you might be wrong. Yoru "Free thinign" is liek SQ and other free thinkers on this baord and elsewhere I have met. To be a free tinekr,you must reject Chrisyainity. Heaven forbid it enter yur midn peoel reason their way into Christaiity, because Chrisanity is irrational and teairgn itno it rational.

Be relaistic, not everyoen is goign o agre with you, btu that dost mean their irraitonal and incapable of htinkign for themselves. And rejecitng a rleiiosu beleif system dosnt make you automaticlaly a fre thinker, again, you just blidnly belive whatever agments comfrt yo and supprt your beleifs, thats not free thinking.

All religions talk about heaven that no religion has shown the place where heaven exists.

Here's a Name for you.

John Shelby Spong.

He dosnt tlak baout Heaven much.

Besides the quack, many don't. Boenhoffer was kileld by Nazi's because he resisted htem form his Pulit ax a Minister. He didnt sya " we will be in Heaven soon" but prayed to God to ue hima nd othes to end the Darkness of Nazi Germany.

As to where Heaven is, thats another deep queation thats been dealt with in the past, you arent bright enogyh to acutlaly research the topic and se what acutla heologians say, you just recucle the likes f Russle an think you knwo the arugments used by "Religous folks".

Do you even relaise how patently absurd this is?

No God NOGOD AT ALL

Says who? Why shoudl I take your word for it? Yourpost here didnt provide any real EVIDENCE for ANYTHING, its just spouted opinion.

Psalm 14:1 is interestign here.

1. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Keep in midn, saying hat uotign the Bible means I can thtink for myself will mean that you cant quote any atheost writers int he future, sicne odign so proves you cant think for yourself.

God's existance can, and has, been proven ligclaly and matematiclaly.

Dsagreement on what od is and his spacofic nature exist, btu for a good argumentative sart, try readign soem of the rationalists, liek Liszt and Spinoza.

Then try soem Modern philosophical hought.

They pick up any book by Michio Kaku, Physiist, New York Sttae Univeristy.

Then pick up, for a ounterveiw, a Brief history of Time.

Try reading about the logi of what God is and how peopel prove God's existance, btu most philosophers and physisists agree God does exist, thoygh many do not think God is a personal being.

please mail your opin ion to this mail ID - marxkannan@yahoo.co.in

Why cant we just post them here?

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 16, 2005.