I hope that you all understand the difference between having different opinions, beliefs, mind-sets,....

and accepting that we are one as a human race.

Whether the person doesn't sound sophisticated enough in their writing , or sounds rude, stubborn, ....it should not stop us from accepting any one's contributions.

I do want to to tell you that I do care about what you have to say, even when sometimes I don't agree with it.

In this day where we celabrate friendship and love, I can briefly say:

Happy Valentine!! Feliz dia de san valentin!

If you know how to say it in other languages go ahead.

Love you all!!!

The Christian Yahwist

The Man of YHWH.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 14, 2005

Answers

Let's make this 2005 a great year.

The Christian Yahwist

P>S> Whenever you have time tell someone you appreciate him/her.Life is too short to kill each other.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 14, 2005.

I'm with you there Elpidio!

-- Jim (furst@flash.net), February 14, 2005.

I always trying to sound cheerful, Jim, even in bad times.

You and Rod know my situation.

I hope that your mom is happy today. I am still thinking whether to call or visit mine today. It is a long day for me.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 14, 2005.

Ya merito me iban a dar el nombre 'Valentino'. Cumpliaņos el dia 13 de febrero. Por favor no digas nada. Feliz dia del amor.

Happy Valentine's everybody!

........

-- rod (elreyrod@yahoo.com), February 14, 2005.

Happy Valentine's Day to you too. May your day (and night) be filled with love!

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), February 14, 2005.

Happy St.Valintiens Dya, this si the day he was Msrtyredafte rlal.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 15, 2005.

well happy valentine for you all guys...but i'm glad it's over:p

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), February 15, 2005.

SDQA, are you still going through a tough time?

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), February 15, 2005.

yeah...kind of

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), February 15, 2005.

We will keep you in our prayers SDQA. Just remember, "this is just for a moment"

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), February 15, 2005.

thanks gail:)

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), February 15, 2005.

You are most welcome, SDQA.

I will pray that God will shower you with His grace, and that He will reveal His passionate love for YOU!

-- Gail (rothfarms@socket.net), February 15, 2005.

whats Yahwist?

-- JoeKP (joekinplaya@gmail.com), February 18, 2005.

Anyone who believes that the God of the Universe is YHHW (Yaveh).

Jesus is not God, but we follow his teachings.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 19, 2005.

"Jesus is not God, but we follow his teachings."

Elpidio, you don't know what you are talking about...

God says in Col 2:8-10, "8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power."

Jesus is God contrary to what you believe...

God also says in Phil 2:5-8, "5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men."

The Jews made the same mistake that you do for it is written in John 5:18-19, "18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God."

Do you also wish to stone Jesus (See John 8:59) for saying that He is God for Jesus said in John 8:58, "Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

The Jews also wanted to kill Jesus when He said in John 10:33, "The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."

Jesus did claim that He was God and proved it...

Thomas doubted until he saw the risen Jesus and said in John 20:28, "And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Jesus is God and the Bible proclaims this as a fact...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), February 19, 2005.

Elpidio???

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), February 23, 2005.

Well, Kevin, the smae Gospel that seems to make Jesus God also claims the opposite. Jesus calls God his God. Thus, he is not God Yahweh. Jhn 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:

Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God.

Taken from the Blue Bible =KJV.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 23, 2005.

Elpidio,

How about answering the verses I quoted for you in my earlier post...

You wrote, "Well, Kevin, the smae Gospel that seems to make Jesus God also claims the opposite. Jesus calls God his God. Thus, he is not God Yahweh. Jhn 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Jhn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and [to] my God, and your God. Taken from the Blue Bible =KJV."

Just because Jesus calls God the Father, God does not mean that He (Jesus) is not God now does it Elpidio???

That is why the Jews tried to kill Him on numerous occasions (and finally accomplished it through Judas) because He said that He was equal with God...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), February 24, 2005.

To the top for Elpidio...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), February 26, 2005.

Here is another one for you Elpidio:

Hebrews 1:8-12 states, "8 But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions." 10 And: "You, LORD, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,And the heavens are the work of Your hands. 11 They will perish, but You remain;And they will all grow old like a garment; 12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,And they will be changed.But You are the same,And Your years will not fail."

God calls His son, God... Jesus is God...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), February 28, 2005.

That is not what it says in the Hebrew Bible, Kevin.

Psalm 45 is about a King, (probabbly Solomon)not about Jesus.

I speak of the things which I have made touching the king: my tongue [is] the pen of a ready writer.

Psa 45:2 Thou art fairer than the children of men: grace is poured into thy lips: therefore God hath blessed thee for ever.

Psa 45:3 Gird thy sword upon [thy] thigh, O [most] mighty, with thy glory and thy majesty.

Psa 45:4 And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness [and] righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.

Psa 45:5 Thine arrows [are] sharp in the heart of the king's enemies; [whereby] the people fall under thee.

[This following verse is about God, not about the King]

Psa 45:6 Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom [is] a right sceptre. [This next verse clearly expresses that God is the one doing the anointing. So the King cannot be God)

Psa 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Thus, Hebrews which is based in this verse doesn't refer to Jesus in the first place.

Another Bible misaplication of prophecy, Kevin.

The Chrisian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 01, 2005.

Elpidio,

You wrote, "That is not what it says in the Hebrew Bible, Kevin. Psalm 45 is about a King, (probabbly Solomon)not about Jesus.:

We aren't talking about Psalm 45:1-5 now are we Elpidio???

You quoted Psalm 45:6-7 and said "[This following verse is about God, not about the King]"

You are correct for the writer of the book of Hebrews quotes these same scriptures...

You wrote, "Thus, Hebrews which is based in this verse doesn't refer to Jesus in the first place. Another Bible misaplication of prophecy, Kevin."

You are mistaken Elpidio... This verse most certainly refers to Jesus... Let's take a look at the two verses in Psalm 45...

Verse 6 "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom."

Is God talking to himself??? Certainly not... Since He is not talking to Himself, He must be talking about someone else - Jesus...

Verse 7 "You love righteousness and hate wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions."

Here is another verse where God is certainly not talking about Himself... He is talking about Jesus...

According to your doctrine, the writer of the book of Hebrews must have made a mistake when he spoke of Jesus in Hebrews 1:8, "But to the Son He says:..."

The Bible does not contain any contradictions...

I am still waiting for your reply on the other verses I quoted you above...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), March 01, 2005.

It is the Psalmist speaking, Kevin. He is talking about God.Then he switches and refers to the King explaining that his throne is like that of God, but on this Earth.

Pure and simple.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 01, 2005.

Continuing with Pslam 45, Kevin, in context, how do I know is not about Jesus, rather a king like Solomon?

- The King has the daughters of other kings as wives. Did Jesus have more than one woman Kevin?

-It talks especially about one new wife that must get ready to be joined to her new husband.

-Verse could be about the King's new wife of his own daughter that is being prepared to be wed to another king.

Psa 45:9 Kings' daughters [were] among thy honourable women: upon thy right hand did stand the queen in gold of Ophir.

Psa 45:10 Hearken, O daughter, and consider, and incline thine ear; forget also thine own people, and thy father's house;

Psa 45:11 So shall the king greatly desire thy beauty: for he [is] thy Lord; and worship thou him.

Psa 45:12 And the daughter of Tyre [shall be there] with a gift; [even] the rich among the people shall intreat thy favour.

Psa 45:13The king's daughter [is] all glorious within: her clothing [is] of wrought gold.

Thus, in context the write of Hebrews, who I think was either Apollos or Barnabas was wrong again.

This is another misapplication of scripture.

Sometimes the truth hurts, Kevin.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 01, 2005.

Elpidio,

You wrote, "It is the Psalmist speaking, Kevin. He is talking about God.Then he switches and refers to the King explaining that his throne is like that of God, but on this Earth. Pure and simple."

I am not going to get into a debate about who the psalmist is talking about... The truth of the matter is the writer of Hebrews 1:8 states this passage in Psalm 45:6-7 is about Jesus... Pure and simple...

You wrote, "Continuing with Pslam 45, Kevin, in context, how do I know is not about Jesus, rather a king like Solomon? - The King has the daughters of other kings as wives. Did Jesus have more than one woman Kevin?"

Again, Hebrews 1:8 states this is talking about the Son which is Jesus... Are you going to call the writer of Hebrews a liar???

You wrote, "Thus, in context the write of Hebrews, who I think was either Apollos or Barnabas was wrong again."

So according to you, there are errors in the Bible??? This does not surprise me for one who claims that Jesus is not God...

I am still waiting for your reply to the verses I gave you earlier...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), March 04, 2005.

I am not going to get into a debate about who the psalmist is talking about... The truth of the matter is the writer of Hebrews 1:8 states this passage in Psalm 45:6-7 is about Jesus... Pure and simple...

Not quite, Kevin.

The first thing you learned in school is : Title of Book, author, what is or about whom is the author talking,...

and no, it wasn't about Jesus, Kevin, most likely King Solomon.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 07, 2005.

Elpidio,

You still did not answer my questions...

Here they are again...

"So according to you, there are errors in the Bible??? This does not surprise me for one who claims that Jesus is not God..."

"I am still waiting for your reply to the verses I gave you earlier..."

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), March 08, 2005.

You stated: "So according to you, there are errors in the Bible??? This does not surprise me for one who claims that Jesus is not God..."

Start from the translations and revisions, Kevin.

Masoretic Text (Hebrew) differs from the Qumran texts, which also differ from the Greek septuagint, which also differs from the Samaritan Text. By the way, the samaritan Text is older than the revised Masoretic text. It was carried there around 400 BC by a Jewish high priest who was rejected for marrying a Samaritan. Still older than the Egyptian(later) Septuagint text translation done around 240 BC.

From

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Bible/samp.html Samaritan and Hebrew differences Excerpt: the London Polyglot of 1657, which counted some 6000 variations between the MT and the SamP. 1900 of these agreed closely with the Septuagint (LXX).

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 08, 2005.

Elpidio,

Regardles of your beliefs, I can assure you there are no errors in the Bible that we have today...

Since you have not responded to my earlier post, I will re-post it here for you:

God says in Col 2:8-10, "8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power."

Jesus is God contrary to what you believe...

God also says in Phil 2:5-8, "5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men."

The Jews made the same mistake that you do for it is written in John 5:18-19, "18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God."

Do you also wish to stone Jesus (See John 8:59) for saying that He is God for Jesus said in John 8:58, "Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

The Jews also wanted to kill Jesus when He said in John 10:33, "The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God."

Jesus did claim that He was God and proved it...

Thomas doubted until he saw the risen Jesus and said in John 20:28, "And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"

Jesus is God and the Bible proclaims this as a fact...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), March 09, 2005.

There is no mention of Thomas in Luke, Mark, or Matthew, Kevin.

Did he really see it?

Since Thomas means twin, what is his real name?

The lists of Jesus 12 apostles and disciples don't match either.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpiodio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 09, 2005.

Elpidio,

Just answer the question, that is all you have to do...

Tap dancing around this subject is not authorized...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), March 09, 2005.

Whatever question you posed before I have answered, Kevin.

But, rephrase whatever question is in your mind.

I stll have more than 40 years to asnwer it.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 10, 2005.

Elpidio,

Actually you didn't answer the scriptures that I quoted to you...

I will post them for your response(s)one at a time...

God says in Col 2:8-10, "8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; 10 and you are complete in Him, who is the head of all principality and power."

Jesus is God contrary to what you believe...

-- Kevin Walker ("navyscporetired@comcast.net"), March 10, 2005.

Questions will be answered here, Kevin.

http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=00CrdL

Kevin's Questions

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), March 10, 2005.