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Top Stories - Reuters U.S. Citizen Accused of Plotting to Kill Bush

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By James Vicini

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A Virginia man, arrested and held in Saudi Arabia, has been returned to the United States to face charges of supporting al Qaeda, and was accused of plotting in 2002 and 2003 to kill President Bush (news - web sites), court documents made public on Tuesday said.

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Between September 2002 and June 9, 2003, while he was in Saudi Arabia, Ahmed Omar Abu Ali discussed with an unidentified co- conspirator two options for assassinating Bush, according to the 16- page indictment handed up by a federal grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia.

They talked about "an operation in which Abu Ali would get close enough to the president to shoot him on the street and ... an operation in which Abu Ali would detonate a car bomb," the indictment said.

The six-count indictment said Abu Ali received a religious blessing from another co-conspirator to carry out the plan to assassinate Bush.

The indictment charged Abu Ali with providing material support and resources to terrorists, intending they would be used to assassinate Bush.

The indictment also said Abu Ali meant to become a planner of terrorist operations like Mohamed Atta, the Sept. 11, 2001, hijacker accused of being the group's ringleader, and Sept. 11 accused mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.

The indictment was filed on Feb. 3. Abu Ali, who last resided in the United States in Falls Church, Virginia, was arrested by Saudi officials on June 9, 2003, and had been held in that country.

He arrived back in the United States late on Monday. A court spokesman in Virginia said Abu Ali appeared before a magistrate judge on Tuesday, and was ordered detained until another hearing on Thursday.

If convicted on all of the charges, Abu Ali faces a maximum sentence of 80 years in prison. He was charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists and to al Qaeda, and receiving funds and services from al Qaeda.

U.S. Attorney Paul McNulty said, "After the devastating terrorist attack and murders of September 11, the defendant turned his back on America and joined the cause of al Qaeda.

"He now stands charged with some of the most serious offenses our nation can bring against supporters of terrorism," McNulty said in a statement.

In July, the parents of Abu Ali filed a lawsuit and said U.S. government officials had their 23-year-old son detained unlawfully in Saudi Arabia for more than a year without any charges. That case is pending before a federal judge in Washington.

According to the lawsuit, Abu Ali graduated in 1999 as valedictorian of his high school class in Virginia. At the time of his arrest in Saudi Arabia, Abu Ali was a student at a Saudi university.

The indictment said that in or around September 2002, Abu Ali advised a co-conspirator whom he had met on previous travels to Medina, Saudi Arabia, of his interest in joining al Qaeda.

It said Abu Ali met with several co-conspirators between September 2002 and June 9, 2003, and told them he was committed to furthering al Qaeda objectives.

The indictment said Abu Ali then received cash payments from an individual associated with al Qaeda to purchase a laptop computer, a cellular telephone and books.

It said the co-conspirators discussed with Abu Ali how he could support al Qaeda, including conducting a terrorist operation and establishing a cell in the United States.

Abu Ali was accused of receiving training in Saudi Arabia in weapons, explosives and document forgery.

-- ZAROVE (ZAROFF3@JUNO.COM), February 22, 2005.


Thanks. Zarove.

Prayers by other people prevented the assassination on President Bush in 2003. This I know from the private e-mails I get.

This time, not even prayers can stop his assassination. Just like Bin Laden, they will not know who did it in the beginning.

They will blame: Al Qaida, Bin Laden, Castro, Chavez, The Russians, the North Koreans, The Syrians, The Iraqis, The Iranians, The Lybians, The Palestinians,....

But is none of them.....

It is homegrown.

The President must be protected from his own people. One of his own will kill him if he is not fortunate enough to protect himself.

Homegrown: archcorservatives, KKK, Gay activists, Social Security dependants,....the list is long.

Half the country loves him. Half the country hates him.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 22, 2005.


You do realize that this discussion has drawn the attention of the NSA and could be turned over to the Secret Service for investigation. I suggest you be very careful how you respond to such things Elpidio. Your attitude will likely appear suspicious - hopefully, they'll just see a man with a screw loose, but ya never know.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 22, 2005.


1 John 4:1-6

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit of truth and the spirit of falsehood. "

Elpidio is a false prophet and his prophecies are worthless, he can accomplish *nothing* by making these predictions....and notice that he leaves himself wiggle room? That's because he knows that the true earmark of a false prophet--is failed prophecies.

-- (faith01@myway.com), February 22, 2005.


Did you ever read my e-mails to President Bush, David?

The President has received e-mails from me in October 2001, November 2001, December 2001 (e-mailed 2 times the same e-mail but with a variant-One mentions he is not going to find Bin Laden -Second was in 2002-January), November 2002, February 2003, April 2003, April 2004.

I don't give the full text of what I wrote to him so that no one else can take full possession unless the White House releases my originals.

I cared for the man. I showed him how to protect himself. Now he is on his own. God took me away from his life. That is why I have no longer e-mailed him. I told him in 2003 that no one would touch him until 2005 if he made it past November 2003.

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The Pope, John Paul II , and President George Bush will meet at the Vatican on June 4, 2004 before the Pope travels to Switzerland. Since some people have discussed my dreams for a while , I decided to publish what I have either written by letter or e-mailed to Bush and the Pope. I decided to start with President Bush.

I have deleted my signature as I am known at the White House. I did not abbreviate a lot. Judge by yourselves.

I accept any comments you may have.

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), May 17, 2004

Answers This is the last letter I sent to him. I sent him copies of some of the first ones I had sent him before. From: "Elpidio Gonzalez" Subject: Last e-mail from The Man of Yahweh Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 16:50:52 -0700 To: president@whitehouse.gov Cc: egonzalez@srla.org April 15, 2004

Mr. President,

I believe this is the last time I will e-mail you.

I had a dream about you on April 14, 2003, the day after the conference.

In this dream, you came through a left door. You were passing by when I called you. I greeted you.You had a suit with a tie. We shook hands. You said,"Thank you for caring" without smiling.Then When I tried to ask you something else you said," Whatever you do, please don't get involved. Stay out of this." Then you continued walking. I then asked you something like what's going to happen to Iraq. You said something like "I don't want to talk about it."

You were leaving when I called you again.You seemed upset I asked you again a question. I asked you something about Iraq's occupation. You said something like: "I am going to do whatever I think is necessary." Then you left through another door to the front and right of me.

This means to me that once you entered my life. God Yahweh allowed me to be part of your life since November 2000. It was the time he let me know you would be the next president. Later I dreamed about the Afghanistan Invasion (Oct. 2001), me blessing you in the White House around 3:40 am Pacific Time when you were sleeping by yourself surrounded by bodiguards (Nov. 2001), your brother Jeb's danger, the invasion of Iraq,...

But now that you leave through another door, then, it's time to say good bye. God has decided to take me off your back. Maybe he has someone else in mind.

It has been 2 1/2 years of e-mailing you.

Here was my first one. .....Subject: Afghanistan 10/7/01 attack, 9/11/01worldtrade center attack To: egonzalez@srla.org CC: egonval@yahoo.com

October 8, 2001 ......

My name is Elpidio Gonzalez. You may not know me, but I'm a mathematics teacher at Lincoln High in Los Angeles, California. The reason I'm writing this e-mail is because ..............

In my dream, only one person from the secret service believed, David.

May God have mercy on the President.

The Christian Yahwist

The Man of Yahweh



-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 22, 2005.



Yes Elpidio, I read them, which is why I'm worried about you. Not because the NSA might mistake you for someone who knows something about assassination plots, but because you need help. Lots of it. Sorry, but you are not in touch with reality.

David

-- non-Catholic Christian (no@spam.com), February 22, 2005.


False prophets have a spirit that is *not* of God. Their prophecies are false.

Elpidio rejects Jesus Christ as God..,and that makes him a false prophet--to which his false prophecies will continue to attest...

Therefore, it is obvious that he hears from deceiving spirits who do not know the future in any detail--apart from what Scriptures reveal-- but can only guess....

Don't worry about what he says....

-- (faith01@myway.com), February 22, 2005.


So I believe Jesus to be God, does that make a true prophet faith?

There were many prophets before Jesus who never even heard of him.

Are they disqualified too?

Be serious, faith.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 22, 2005.


"Their prophecies are false"

They are false when the don't come true. Having followed Elpidio list for a while the track record appears pretty clear.

Can an Answered Prayer delay, alter the outcome?

Yes, Everyday! commonly called miracles.

Are the sources of information dark or evil?

I think it has more to do with the method to induce or if it comes un- induced (i.e) naturally.

Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't a Christian Yahwist believe in Jesus Christ and God individually (i.e.) The Father AND The Son

-- Michael G. (NoEmail@Nowhere.no), February 23, 2005.


"Thanks. Zarove.

Prayers by other people prevented the assassination on President Bush in 2003. This I know from the private e-mails I get.

This time, not even prayers can stop his assassination. Just like Bin Laden, they will not know who did it in the beginning.

They will blame: Al Qaida, Bin Laden, Castro, Chavez, The Russians, the North Koreans, The Syrians, The Iraqis, The Iranians, The Lybians, The Palestinians,....

But is none of them.....

It is homegrown.

The President must be protected from his own people. One of his own will kill him if he is not fortunate enough to protect himself.

Homegrown: archcorservatives, KKK, Gay activists, Social Security dependants,....the list is long.

Half the country loves him. Half the country hates him.

The Christian Yahwist "

[if anyone would kill him then it would be the those who stood after him and who actually are controlling the politics,bush was just a pawn...they can put all the blame on him and replace him with someone else and make people believe things are changed...the system is still the same,just the person is changed,...if the system would function correctly bush would never stole the elections in 2000 and there weren't be given certain men so much power that they can simply abuse and getting along with it...]-sdqa

-- sdqa (sdqa@sdqa.Com), February 23, 2005.



No Elpidio--because you have had failed prophecies. And we know you don't accept Christ's Divinity. You cannot predict with 100 percent accuracy anything at all. Deceiving spirits are limited in what they know. And they certainly do not know the mind of God. Therefore--you are limited and at their mercy.

The only other true prophets before Jesus--were the prophets of the Old Testament--whose prohecies confirm who they are., being 100 percent accurate., revealed by their fulfillment. Of course--not all things have come to pass--but we can be sure that everthing revealed in Scripture will come to fruition.

-- (faith01@myway.com), February 23, 2005.


What failed prophecies, faith? I don't have any failed prophecies.

The only thing from the past I discussed was the dreams I had on April 2003 and July 4, 2004.

I was told things would happened within 3 years. The Pope is alive, Bush is alive...but it is not yet the end of 3 years, faith.

If they make it past 3 counting from July 4, 2004,, then I deserve that ...

As for the Pope, I had mentioned 2 more than 4 trips = 6 trips. Then, if he makes one more and doesn't die...apply it to me.

On the contrary, I am 2 out of 2 in the open: Arafat and Dr. Gene Scott.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 23, 2005.


Give it up Elpidio--God is completely accurate and sure of exactly when every person he ever created will die. And there is no reason for Him to tell you! And if He did tell you when the Pope would die-- you would know the exact date. It doesn't take even a rocket scientist to predict that the Pope will die soon--lol!! How original is it to predict that a president might be assassinated?? Come on Elpidio--if God wanted you to warn President Bush--shouldn't you have knowledge of the exact details? Can't God tell you the exact date?

Of course He can--if It were Him who was visiting you. But of course-- it is not!

-- (Faith01@myway.com), February 23, 2005.


They do give dates, faith: within 3 years (counting from July 4, 2004).

The Bible never gives any dates, faith!!!!!!!

In that respect, I am better than the Bible.

Show me any prophecy from the Old testament that without any doubt chronologically I can apply it to Jesus other than Daniel's 70 weeks!!! (The only reason I said not Daniel because Daniel's prophecy is not about Jesus, but about the Macabees and their descendants who lived in the first and 2nd centuries B.C.

Why? Because from the command to rebuild Jerusalem in 538 BC you - 490 years (70 weeks)=48 B.C. Jesus died on April 7, 30 AD, so he doesn't qualify, faith.

I know my Bible, you still don't, faith.

Example: By that I mean: 750 years after such and such a ....a virgin will marry a man...and they will have a son who is God in the flesh....

The Christian Yahwist

The Man of Yahweh

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 23, 2005.


You may know your Bible, Elpidio--but you clearly do not know the Word of God--the Holy Scriptures. If you ndid--you would know that Jesus is God Divine.

How dare you compare yourself to God's Holy chosen prophets?

His prophecies, by-the-way, are 100 percent accurate, complete and fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

Yours are false! Yours are not needed. Yours don't serve God--but are clearly self-serving and deceptive--and can only lead people astray.....

-- (faith01@myway.com), February 23, 2005.



Like I said, faith, you cannot prove by numbers that prophecies from the Old Testament apply to Jesus.

You have never given me any facts about it.

You never will.

The Christian Yahwist

-- Elpidio Gonzalez (egonval@yahoo.com), February 23, 2005.


I shouldn't have to Elpidio--if you were a true believer--you would see it for yourself.

-- (faith01@myway.com), February 24, 2005.

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