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i ponder many a minute as to why whenever i post anything ont his site it is always deleted now thats not very fair now is it whatever happened to freedom of speech :P
-- gal (thirdtimeluckey@hotmail.com), February 27, 2005
The only posts that are deleted are those which are in clear violation of the rules of the forum. Click on "about" on the opening page and you can read these few simple rules for yourself. If you follow them, your posts will not be deleted.
-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), February 27, 2005.
ok but out of intrest why did my post asking what the pope actually does get deleted cus i dunno what he does *confusion*please get you little robot thing to email me again and answer love you xoxoxox
-- gal (thirdtimeluckey@hotmail.com), February 27, 2005.
1) privately owned server means you dont have the right to freedom of speech, its Mr. Greenspun's freedom of speech on his computer. Mr. Greenspun has entrusted his moderators to maintain the functions of the respective forums.2) what you are posting is a violation of the rules of this forum. Just as you dont have a right to yell fire in a crowded movie theater, you also dont have a constitutionally guarunteed right to enter any place online and violate any rules you choose.
3) the internet is an international 'entity.' people from all over the world come to this forum. what makes you think they should care about your concept that your "freedom of speech"/freedom to harass others by violating rules should apply to them?
i suggest reflecting on the nature of your posts and why they might be deleted from a CATHOLIC forum. are you here to teach us catholics something? are you bashing on catholics? if so, please excuse yourself from our forum as there is no place for you here. if you come with good intent to learn more about the catholic faith, then change the nature of your posts such that they are not attacks but rather honest questions which will not be deleted.
what is it with the large number of protestants who come here thinking it is okay to attack the catholic church whenever, wherever and however they please?
-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), February 27, 2005.
sorry to burst your bubble hun but i aint a protistant i don't follow a faith as i said in one of my posts which got deleted i do believe in god i don't believe the bible and i believe god has let his planet get over run by us vermin and is using us to destroy his creation so he can start again and have thigs how he wants them so whats wrong with wanting to have a laugh and not to be tied down by laws that were not wrote by god himself get back to me xoxox
-- gal (thirdtimeluckey@hotmail.com), February 27, 2005.
oh and out of intrest if people from all over the world are coming onto this forum i should be allowed to express my own opinions for the world to see how do you know they do not want to hear what i am saying.
-- gal (thirdtimeluckey@hotmail.com), February 27, 2005.
Dear gal,If God wanted to start over--couldn't he just like--zap us or something? Why would He have to wait around while we destroyed ourselves%?@%?*%
Your post just sounds so ridiculous. That's all!
-- (anon@anon.com), February 27, 2005.
You wrote an obscene word here; insulting and filthy. We suggest you take your tacky language where it's welcomed by other slime-balls. You aren't welcome for one minute if you can't act like a decent person when you send a post. You aren't being funny, so knock it off or go away.
-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), February 27, 2005.
my words are not obscene or if they are please give examples.... so are you trying to tell me that god is a murderer and if he wanted he could kill us all ... i ask a question we are all gods children am i right could you kill your child or any child i think not so that is why he could not just mearly *zap*us and also nobody mentioned why my post asking what the pope does was deleted or could somebody shed some light onto the matter and i don't think anything i said was as bad as a rather sick post i read on here the other day stating that all jews should put their head in the oven and turn on the gas or go back to auschvitz these words are obscene and completly un called for but they managed to stay on the site longer than my post asking what does the pope do? please get back to me xoxxox
-- gal (thirdtimeluckey@hotmail.com), February 27, 2005.
Gal-Your argument contradicts itself. God loves us to much to "zap" us away. But He sits idly by allowing us to destroy ourselves?
You say a parent would love their kid too much to kill them, but they wouldn't love them enough to stop them from killing each other????
This makes no sense.
Tim Kirschenheiter
-- Tim K. (tk4386@juno.com), February 27, 2005.
gal,Only those who are found in Christ Jesus--are His children. You are wrong in thinking that all people are God's children...
God invites all people to be in His family--but ultimately, we have a choice to make. Who shall we worship? Will we belong to God--or will we become children of the Devil?
-- (anon@anon.com), February 27, 2005.
erm.. it doesn't contridict itself god couldn't zap every1 away because no matter what you believe we are all his children he cerated us.he cannot stop us from killing each other it is what he wants but he cannot help loving his children enough to kill them. and we do not chose to be in gods family we are already part of it we all believe in god be it sub conciously or very strongly i just cannot see how god could have created these laws of which people live their lives conviantly 10000s years after he created the world why would he not just do it while hes on a role with it all...by the way noone answered my question what does the pope do xoxoxox
-- gal (thirdtimeluckey@hotmail.com), February 27, 2005.
Gal-He loves us so much that He is simply watching us destroy ourselves so He can restart creation????? What if we stop destroying each other? Would God's will be subverted?
The picture you paint is of a God who is fed up with us and just wants to see us die. That doesn't sound like the infinitely loving God that you also describe. It is a simple contradiction.
Tim Kirschenheiter
-- Tim K. (tk4386@juno.com), February 27, 2005.
The only reason you know about God, gal--is because He gave us His Word. It is the Scriptures themselves that reveal everything we know about Him. And it is these same Scriptures that you deny. So if you reject His Word--why do you accept its revelation that He even exists?
-- (anon@anon.com), February 27, 2005.
The Pope, who in virtue of His position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth and has jurisdiction over the faithful, and supreme authority to define in all questions of faith and morals.He is the visible head of the Universal Church whose "job" is to care for and watch over Christ's flock.
-- DJ (newfiedufie@msn.com), February 27, 2005.
oh and out of intrest if people from all over the world are coming onto this forum i should be allowed to express my own opinions for the world to see how do you know they do not want to hear what i am saying.no, because in all due logical conclusion people dont come to a CATHOLIC forum to hear you pushing your heretical beliefs. your idea that we should HAVE to change the mission of this forum to listen to whatever the current visiting heretic has to say is really rather arrogant. i suggest you pay a visit to a different forum if you want an audience because you arent going to find anyone agreeing with you here.
-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), February 27, 2005.
"The only reason you know about God, gal--is because He gave us His Word. It is the Scriptures themselves that reveal everything we know about Him."A: On the contrary. The only reason YOU know anything about God is because His Church gave you the Bible, since you have rejected the true source of authority, His Church. But His Church does not get its information about God from the Bible. His Church received the fullness of truth directly from the lips of Jesus Christ in the flesh, and preached that fullness of truth for over three centuries before the Bible was compiled by that same Church. The Church would have continued to preach and teach the fullness of truth if the Bible had never been compiled. Indeed, if the Apostles had never written a single word, they and their successors would still have taught the fullness of Christian truth. It was only because they already possessed that truth that they were able to mention it in their correspondence, some of which was eventually gathered by the Church into a book. The Bible is not actually essential to the Church in terms of what the Church knows about God, for the truth of the Bible is a reflection of the truth of the Church, not the other way around.
-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), February 28, 2005.
thank you for confirming that the pope does not actually do much except act like god he is just a normal person born like anyone of us but we don't sit in the vatican saying i am god.and my theory does not contridict itself if we were to stop killing and hating each other then god would have no reason to not be impressed with us but as his creation we go against what he wants he would obviously not be impressed and so is letting us destroy ourselfs so he can start again from scratch and try to have his creation obey him not dis obey him as every human on this earth does.
-- gal (thirdtimeluckey@hotmail.com), February 28, 2005.
the post befor hand was a mistake on my behave, could the moderators please delete it.all i have seen on this boared is you lot gang up on gal, maybe he is different yo you, like accept things you would take as disgusting, but every one is different and we were given free will for a reason. also i have seen you try to talk him out of his belief, calling his own ideas. if i were to come here saying "god doesn't exist" "your all fools for dedicating your one and only life to an idea that has chaged as the church sees apropriate over the last 2000 years, and the only evidence you have to back your belife up is a lot of tales and that horible sentence "god works in mysterious ways, we cann't comprehend hism as he is to perfect" or summut along them lines" any way the point im trying to make is you would retaliate if i started to question your faith, just as gal is retaliating to your lack of an open mind. your spoon fed everything you base your lifes on and actually have very litle free will to speak of.
all i am trying to say is gal had a question, it was ignored and he was verbally abuse quite a vew times. there3s no place for hatred within a religeon, it already kills far to many people.
-- Ricky (ricky_maaan@hotmail.com), February 28, 2005.
thankfully somebody else in the world believes in some of the same things as i thank you ricky.my theory as i have pointed out does not contridict itself and as ricky has pointed out you are just being closed minded about other religions maybe you shouldn't give such a verbal bashing as you did when you foolishly labled me as a protistant as i said i am no religion i believe in my beliefs and i believe that the religion you follow is nothing as to how god wants us to be as ricky said you live your one and only life following the rules of the church and the people thousands of years ago that have decided to live your life for you.xxoxxoxxo
-- gal (thirdtimeluckey@hotmail.com), February 28, 2005.
jesus christ is the only way to the father and if we can accept him we accept he who sent him. love covers a multitude of sin and god desires all to be saved because he loves us, love is the greatest, a more excelent way. if we love each other we know that god dwells in us,only through love can we understand each other god is love, and god loves catholics. i hope all catholics would come to the knowledge of the truth, evan a condemed man on the cross can be saved o lord remember me in thy kingdom. i tell you today you will be with me in paradise. love paul through jesus christ amen
-- paul david willis (pwz451zwp@yahoo.com), February 28, 2005.
Thanks for your concern Paul, but Catholics followed Jesus Christ in unity and in truth for 1,500 years before the fragmentation and doctrinal chaos of Protestantism began; and we still believe and worship just as we did then, just as the Fathers of the Church did, just as the Apostles did, just as our founder Jesus Christ commanded. That's the source of my beliefs. Which one of the 20,000 conflicting unauthorized manmade sects of Protestantism do you claim as your source of beliefs?
-- Paul M. (PaulCyp@cox.net), February 28, 2005.
erm well, this is quite a conversation you catholics (nd non- catholics) have been having here isnt it? i have been baptised as a catholic but yet i still fail to belive in god or any writings of the bible due to the fact that another human had to write it and i'd like to add that it is a very racist book as Jesus and every one probobally stated in the book would have been black and Mary mysteriously got pregnant without sexual intercourse the bible is a very wrong book ! and the bible states that we have been around for 2000 years? as i like to say PROVE IT! i believe we have been around for at least 2 million years so the bible really is just silly boys buisness the only thing the bible has done for us is given us a date, a guide as to what we are here to do which isnt even a good answer because this guide is more formally known as "Mr 10 Commandments!" and no one in the modern world really follows half of these and being a baptised catholic i can proudly say everyone of the ten commandments i have broken and yet i believe that i have lived a good life! so long as we stick to our own guidelines which are within limits of todays society i believe we live good lives so who really needs religion except people who are so utterly insecure and "closed minded" as Mr Ricky stated who want answers by following a book! my question to you people is "Why do you follow your quest to find utter bliss when its right here?" because i believe utter bliss is here in our hearts and our souls and utter bliss can be translated as anything like a great time with mates to sex! life is a lesson and we choose to learn in our different ways, but i ask why do people choose to follow religions such as "dont swear"etc because then there is no fun in life and its the only time we get. So treat and value your life in the ways you want to. I just suggest you drop your religious beliefs and just live it up! remember its the only chance we get so really do live in the moment and do everything you can to make it good On a brighter note i am off into manchester to preach to preachers about why they should get a haircut and march with me to utter bliss so long as they are paying for the rounds ;)just make sure you dont waste your life to following a book because it is just a waste of space and time and i believe in no one but to life my life to the fullest and id like to write a book just like the sillybumofaperson who thought your lovely Jesus was white about how i lived my life and how good it has been but of course by then you all shall have hunted me down with pitchforks or i would have been dead because of course i would have been living it up too much!Remember, live it up no matter what you live by just dont waste your one shot at it. Peashe oot! Timay
-- Tim (hasheeshthemightystoner@hotmail.com), March 01, 2005.
i jus have 2 say as well MY BIRTHDAY IS IN 6 DAYS!! WHOS COMIN FOR A DRINK?!?! (that is a question not an answer or a view i jus thort id be silly)
-- tim (hasheeshthemightystoner@hotmail.com), March 01, 2005.
tis hasheesh again and i like to add if a preacher in a city was claiming to be jesus or the next big jesus would you believe him? my guess is no so why do you persist in believing these unproved morales? they may make us good boys and girls but are we all really that good? you say you dont kill people? we kill everyone and everything and eventually we shall all see our own consequence of our actions by even as little as driving a car. because when you drive your car, those fumes kill us, and kill our earth which you describe as "gods" if god was true dont you think he'd come down and sort out our problems like global warming? i dont get how you believe it.
-- tim (timtay@hasheesh.stoned), March 01, 2005.
hehe i see all the catholics just shhh when other people in the world second my rightness of my posts and have coincidently been proved wrong.
-- gal (thirdtimeluckey@hotmail.com), March 02, 2005.
Gal-Do you really believe being supported by someone who puts their email address as "hasheesh.stoned" helps your position?
Tim Kirschenheiter
-- Tim K. (tk4386@juno.com), March 02, 2005.
I believe that this Character i.e: Gal has as much right to say what he wishes as any person, according to the bible, set apart christ as lord as gal has done for this topic, also you are taking it into an hostile phase which is against the bible as quoted Peter 3:15 'But in your hearts set apart chirst as lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give teh reason for the hope tthat you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.' so give Gal his freedom of speech as you must give all freedom of speech especially if they ask for it.Tim Waddup ,May the lord Bless you and be with you always
-- Timothy Waddup (TJJNW@hoytmail.com), March 02, 2005.
does it really matter what they put their email address as some1 who was supporting you put their email address as something like thisisnoan@ddress.don'temailme or sumat can't say i was taking much notice but how mature is that how old are they 6? anyways i see another person using a real email address also backs me up so does that make you feel any better
-- gal (thirdtimeluckey@hotmail.com), March 03, 2005.
-----------BACKS ME-----------???????How can they even STAND you? Haha! You arrive here with all your impiety and raw language, at the Catholic forum where GOD and the Church are discussed; and everybody must FALL DOWN? Personally, I don't care WHHOOOOOOO Backs you. Let em back you over a cliff. I'll just yell, Watch OUT! Gal-- ! ! ! Oooh--! Too late.
-- eugene c. chavez (loschavez@pacbell.net), March 03, 2005.
Careful Eugene, your true colors are showing again :(
-- (anon@anon.com), March 03, 2005.
gal,its dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com
for someone who decries your right to freedom of speech, even though said right does not apply when you violate the rules of this forum, i would think that you would be more concious of other people's rights... such as the right to privacy.
but if you demand an explanation, i use my email account for my work with the air force. companies that send spam email often search sites like, say, this, to find email address to which they can send their garbage. because i work for the air force and already sort out more than 50 emails a day, i dont want to have to deal with garbage being sent to waste my time. if you TRULY wish to contact me in private, you need only make a post asking and i will consider emailing you one of my real email addresses.
further, nobody has supported your heretical ideas. a bunch of people who dont understand the rules of this forum have posted how they think you should be allowed to be a rude guest. maybe you havent realized, but we use a metaphore here... this site is like a house, a catholic house. YOUR being here is like being invited to join us for dinner in our house. YOUR behavior is quite unbecoming for someone who is a guest and THAT is why your crude posts get deleted.
-- paul h (dontSendMeMail@notAnAddress.com), March 03, 2005.